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2019/20 Expectations for Rutgers per Jon Rothstein and Jerry Carino

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Per Rothstein: The 2019 / 20 College Basketball Season will be one of the more anticipated ones Rutgers has seen in a long time. Expectations!

Per Carino: With most of the team returning plus the arrival of PG Extroadinaire Paul Mulcahy and the activation of Texas transfer Jacob Young, there is every reason to believe that Rutgers will snap its 13 year post season drought and post a winning record for the first time since 2006.

Both are spot on!
 
Top half of the league? Not so sure. Better? Yes.

I can't go through and make an educated guess about the strength of all 14 teams next season, but it's reasonable to assume the conference overall will be weaker than this season when it's been one of the 2 or 3 best seasons in the last 20 years for the Big Ten.

Rutgers sits at #79 in KenPom which is a massive improvement from previous seasons (#130, #135, #279 going back). If they can make a moderate improvement to say #60 on KenPom next season, that's the sort of team that should be close to .500 in the Big Ten. For reference, #60 on KenPom would have ranked either 8th or 9th in the Big Ten for 8 straight seasons prior to this one.
 
I have been saying for a while exactly what is being posted in this thread

How fast we learn how to win will determine if what is predicted here comes to be
 
I don't think this is news or unexpected...there really has to be an overview of what teams are bringing in and what teams are losing from their rotations.

Media members usually make the mistake of just assuming that a returning starter
means success and a new starter does not.

It's not a "deep dive" into recruiting rankings or actually knowing the players but RU (in my opinion) should be better because their players should improve from April to October. But there has to be at least 2 quality additions on top of Young and Mulcahy for 19-20, to be a post season contender or team that is over .500.

A) what's the schedule in the OOC beyond the Seton Hall game and game at UMass, that was supposed to be on this year's schedule??

B) Will everyone be healthy?? I asked someone who has the potential knee injury that Eugene likely has and it's really only corrected with surgery. How many months of time off does that mean??

C) How many key players leave the B1G, in what has to be considered a significantly better league than what we had in the 1st 2 seasons under Pike??

Off the top of my head, here are the names that likely depart for the next level or graduate.

Purdue....Carsen Edwards?? Ryan Kline....there should be a dip from the Top 4 of the league, if Edwards leaves for the NBA as expected.....a typical Purdue class coming in....one 4* & 2 good 3* kids....

Minnesota....Jordan Murphy, Dupree McBrayer....i think there are 2 starting caliber guards sitting out via transfer this year from Pitt and another school that will immediately be ready to go....

Maryland.....Bruno Fernando is a likely departure, but MD adds a 4* & 2 very good 3* kids (Donta Scott from Philly is a player I liked at an event a couple of years ago)....Maryland has players on their bench that would start on more than half of the 2nd half of the B1G rosters like RU, Northwestern, Nebraska, Minnesota next year.

Iowa.....no major departures......add Fran Mccaffrey's son, whose considered a Top 75 to 100 kid nationally in the front court.

Illinois....5* frosh Dosunmu could depart, but Illinois is bringing in a top class, including regional 4* post player, eraser, Kofi Cockburn, whose should make Illinois better defensively. They're looking to add this spring as well.

Northwestern.....loses Dererk Pardon, Vic Law, and grad transfer Ryan Taylor....those 3 starters are being replaced by a high caliber group of freshman....Robbie Beran is Top 100 PF who should play immediately for Pardons spot....RU should be better than NW, while they retool and get younger.

Nebraska.....loses Copeland, Watson and Palmer....Roby will be a senior and a couple of incoming players are expected to step right in for the seniors. Will they be better than the 3 seniors immediately?? The media isn't going to evaluate the incoming recruits, they will just assume losing 3 seniors equates to a drop in rankings....this is another program, where despite the loss to Nebraska, RU should be better than the Huskers next year.

Penn State.....Lamar Stevens should be back for his senior season, i don't think he's a definite departure....they lose Reaves, an excellent defender and scorer. Watkins is going be a senior.....I like their incoming kid, Lundy to immediately start in Reaves spot as a Top 150 range, high 3* player. This is the other opportunity where if RU adds another piece or 2 this spring, to replace Thiam, RU should be on par or better than PSU next year. I definitely see RU as equal now into 2019-2020.

Wisconsin loses Ethan Happ, who was a unique player which accounted for a lot. But they landed an Ohio State transfer, Micah Potter, who will not be as good as Happ, but should be more explosive and a better athlete. Wisconsin is the classic program that is either going to definitely slip a bit OR has the track record of playing good enough to stay in the top half of the league standings.

Ohio State brings in an excellent class of freshman with 3 Top 50 nationally ranked kida and loses a grad transfer in Woods and guard CJ Jackson....i don't expect Ohio State to be worse next year, they will be better next year.

I am leaving Michigan and Michigan State out of the discussion since they're recruiting at a high level for their programs, are so well organized and coached. They're penciled in for the top half of the standings, unless something drastically changed that I'm not aware of with either coach.

Indiana is a variable that has talent, but may have a departing lottery pick in Langford and Juwan Morgan....they have a 5* center coming in to replace Morgan up front, so it's just a matter of finding another guard to replace Langford.

If the league is a Top 2 or at worse 3 league in all of college basketball, there's no automatic jump up from 10th place to 7th. It doesn't automatically happen in the ACC and I don't see it as an exception for the B1G....it's not going to go from all 14 teams in the Top 80 in a ranking system like KenPom to having 4 teams suddenly falling into the 100s.

The argument that RU is a scraped 3 pointer off the backboard vs Iowa at home and a poorly played home game vs Northwestern from already being 8th in the standings this year is valid.....or how healthy or better is RU with a 100% Omoruyi all year???

RU needs to replace Thiam's now open scholarship spot, with a legitimate defensive front court or a complete defensive player who can be a eraser at the basket OR has to land a clear cut 3 point shooter and player that projects to be better than Eugene, to take the next step up the standings.
 
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We benefitted a lot this year from playing certain teams at the right time of the year. How many times in the past has the opposite been true. I think a 7-13 record next year is a good early guess and we can still be much improved.
 
Probably sound like a broken record but incremental gains will be harder than getting to this point. With expectations comes pressure and we will see how this group handles that.

Agree that the returning guys need to get better this off season. This includes skill development, strength and conditioning. New players need to be capable of challenging for minutes so that in situations like last night when guys are still playing despite ineffective sloppy play there are credible alternatives.
 
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I would not be surprised that a third scholarship will be available because of playing time issues.,Rutgers will have a surplus of players at the guard and small forward positions.
 
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We should definitely be better with more experience, plus Young and Mulcahy being added while only losing Doorson. Could use a big body inside to replace Doorson, though, as Johnson/Carter aren't enough and I don't think Doucoure is the answer. And really, really need a serious shooting forward.
 
let's not get carried away. Breaking into the top half of the league means indiana, ohio state, and illinois do get better and minnesota, iowa and maryland gets worse.

Most importantly this means we get much better.

lets focus on beating the teams we should beat in non-conference slate, win 1 or 2 we shouldnt win in the non conference and then be middle of the pack in big ten. this will put us on the bubble and in the NIT.
 
and I don't think Doucoure is the answer.

Gun to my head........that is my answer.

Gun to my head last year about Myles.....that was my answer

One (actually 2) thing I really like about Duke. He has a toughness about him and he is a good teammate. I understand that only gets you so far, but it is a good start.
 
Top half of the league? Not so sure. Better? Yes.

We were 2 bounces of the ball away from the top half of the league this year. If Iowa doesn't make that shot at the buzzer in the RAC, and one of the Rutgers attempts goes in the final seconds of the PSU game at the RAC, then Rutgers would have been #7 in league. Yeah, we didn't win those games, but it is not too far a stretch to say we could have, or that we were close.
 
We were 2 bounces of the ball away from the top half of the league this year. If Iowa doesn't make that shot at the buzzer in the RAC, and one of the Rutgers attempts goes in the final seconds of the PSU game at the RAC, then Rutgers would have been #7 in league. Yeah, we didn't win those games, but it is not too far a stretch to say we could have, or that we were close.

Of the bottom third of the league we were actually the luckiest team according to Kenpom
 
you never know how seasons play out, sometimes you have to ride the momentum in one season. There are no guarantees that the schedule sets up like this years. Look at PSU 0-10 to start...could RU start 0-10...in this league? yes.

Ive always said, you cannot just look at RU, you have to look at what the rest of the league is doing, they are not just sitting there waiting for RU or Illinois to get better. Some programs just reload and every program as Hawk alluded to in his great recap of the other schools, every program is bringing in talent and perhaps greater talent than what RU is bringing in next year. Another key issue is whether RU is scheduling tougher to start the season, will they be able to come right out of the gate and be playing well. So many variables
 
We benefitted a lot this year from playing certain teams at the right time of the year. How many times in the past has the opposite been true. I think a 7-13 record next year is a good early guess and we can still be much improved.

We also played teams at the wrong time this year 2nd Penn State game, Illinois and Indiana come to mind.
 
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We were 2 bounces of the ball away from the top half of the league this year. If Iowa doesn't make that shot at the buzzer in the RAC, and one of the Rutgers attempts goes in the final seconds of the PSU game at the RAC, then Rutgers would have been #7 in league. Yeah, we didn't win those games, but it is not too far a stretch to say we could have, or that we were close.

RU as constructed right now is not a Top 7 roster in the B1G, even if those bounces went RUs way.......RU as constructed now is not a Top 11 team in talent and athleticism. The team needs more players and I feel like this staff has maxed out on toughness, rebounding and preparation.

But the notion that RU has a better starting caliber lineup than the bulk of the B1G, isn't accurate. The bench quality will be improved but the starting caliber kids will need an upgrade in this spring or summer, whether the classes are 2019 spring, sit out transfer or the 2020 class.

With Thiam's departure, the graduates for next year are Shaq Carter and Eugene.
 
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RU as constructed right now is not a Top 7 roster in the B1G, even if those bounces went RUs way.......RU as constructed now is not a Top 11 team in talent and athleticism. The team needs more players and I feel like this staff has maxed out on toughness, rebounding and preparation.

But the notion that RU has a better starting caliber lineup than the bulk of the B1G, isn't accurate. The bench quality will be improved but the starting caliber kids will need an upgrade in this spring or summer, whether the classes are 2019 spring, sit out transfer or the 2020 class.

The margins between teams start to get pretty thin around the middle of the conference most seasons. The differences in ultimate win loss record at the end of the year usually end up being decided by a few things.

1) which question marks on rosters end up being much better (or worse) than expected
2) schedule differences with unbalanced conference schedules
3) luck in close games
4) health
 
I am sorry that Penn State was a home game. If you fancy yourself as a potential post season team you have to hold serve 80% of the time vs teams not in the Top 1-3 of the conference.


agree....thats a game if you are ready to take the next step you have to win....Next year we will be needing wins down the stretch to make the NIT (my goal), so you have to take care of business at home. The RAC is a tough place to play but have to do better than 5-5 next season.

also one thing I was looking at this year is how you do vs the schools around you in the standings. Taking the bottom half of the league. RU 5-5, 5-6 if you include the tourney game...that is an improvement but next year they need to be ready to go 7-3 vs those schools and then pick off 2 from the upper 7. Can they get to 9-11 in league next season? I think the next step up that RU has to take is even so much more difficult, the increment is just 2-3 more league wins but yet its almost like a mountain to climb..just as Pat Chambers. One thing that Penn State, Illinois and Indiana have been able to do is that they have wins over Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin and Maryland. RU had a ceiling of beating Iowa, the 6th place team. Thats why I think those 3 programs are a bit ahead of RU...Indy (a good amount) because they had a higher ceiling...just look at the Big 10 tourney, wouldnt be surprised to see PSU and Ill win today and win in the quarters
 
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agree....thats a game if you are ready to take the next step you have to win....Next year we will be needing wins down the stretch to make the NIT (my goal), so you have to take care of business at home. The RAC is a tough place to play but have to do better than 5-5 next season.

also one thing I was looking at this year is how you do vs the schools around you in the standings. Taking the bottom half of the league. RU 5-5, 5-6 if you include the tourney game...that is an improvement but next year they need to be ready to go 7-3 vs those schools and then pick off 2 from the upper 7. Can they get to 9-11 in league next season? I think the next step up that RU has to take is even so much more difficult, the increment is just 2-3 more league wins but yet its almost like a mountain to climb..just as Pat Chambers. One thing that Penn State, Illinois and Indiana have been able to do is that they have wins over Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin and Maryland. RU had a ceiling of beating Iowa, the 6th place team. Thats why I think those 3 programs are a bit ahead of RU...Indy (a good amount) because they had a higher ceiling...just look at the Big 10 tourney, wouldnt be surprised to see PSU and Ill win today and win in the quarters

I wouldn't put too much stock into upsets over Top 5 teams in the league as a barometer. What I would look at is margin of defeat was cut down drastically again this year and schools like PSU were rarely blown out in league....Illinois is still an enigma, I have no idea why they don't win more games, with the talent they have..... We had Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana on the road that got ugly and Michigan State pulled away late.

But we didn't visit Ann Arbor, College Park or a tricky visit to Lincoln, which could be a problem next year, even if RU may be projected to be better than Nebraska. The road games RU picked up were at "easier" locations, like Penn State, Northwestern and we blitzed Iowa, which was only because we gained confidence in a tough spot at Illinois....those are huge steps for a learning curve.

The win total is only going up, because we close out home games at the RAC and if the RAC continues to grow the fanbase back, which I believe happened to set up next year and beyond. This past season had the RAC willing this roster to wins over Ohio State and Minnesota and kept RU in the face of Iowa and Penn State.

I think Penn State and Northwestern are programs that lack the true fan support to elevate those programs, even if they have a little more talent on paper. The program's best asset is the RAC and how we make the building a difficult spot to play. That is the X-Factor for whatever run, that RU makes next year, it's on the folks here to get to the building, not whine about not closing the season the way we wanted it to go.
 
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also one thing I was looking at this year is how you do vs the schools around you in the standings. Taking the bottom half of the league. RU 5-5, 5-6 if you include the tourney game...that is an improvement but next year they need to be ready to go 7-3 vs those schools

THIS IS SO IMPORTANT

. What I would look at is margin of defeat was cut down drastically again this year and schools like PSU were rarely blown out in league

This is why I said all season my stupid advanced metrics (kenpom or bart) would be my guide for analysis of how we did. Now if you want to give us a bonus because we played better in 2nd half with different allocation of minutes, I am on board with that.
 
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Top half of the league? Not so sure. Better? Yes.

We were 2 bounces of the ball away from the top half of the league this year. If Iowa doesn't make that shot at the buzzer in the RAC, and one of the Rutgers attempts goes in the final seconds of the PSU game at the RAC, then Rutgers would have been #7 in league. Yeah, we didn't win those games, but it is not too far a stretch to say we could have, or that we were close.
And we make a couple more foul shots here or there
 
I am sorry that Penn State was a home game. If you fancy yourself as a potential post season team you have to hold serve 80% of the time vs teams not in the Top 1-3 of the conference.

Yes but what does playing at home have to do with my counterpoint. We definitely played some teams when they were down and also played some when they were playing there best basketball of the year.

That Penn State loss ripped the heart out of this team.

I do agree that you must win most of your conference home games if you want to move up the conference standings.
 
let's not get carried away. Breaking into the top half of the league means indiana, ohio state, and illinois do get better and minnesota, iowa and maryland gets worse.

Most importantly this means we get much better.

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Disagree. It "mean" we get like less than 15 points better over the course of conference play. We were damn close to being there THIS season.
 
But alot of schools can say that as well. So many last possession games

Sure, just saying it was possible this year with a couple of bounces - the middle of the conference from 6th-12th was separated by just 3 games. A handful of bounces go the other way across a handful of games, and the order from 6th-12th could easily be scrambled. We were right in the mix for that, and I'd expect us to be fighting in that same mix next year.
 
I’m kinda surprised how a lot are downplaying our roster and saying that “we willed our way to 7 wins”

I kinda see it as the opposite...I think we got by on pure individual basketball skill way too much this season ...and the youth really hurt us in team basketball ...which is why our team defense suffered (though we looked better on the ball than our numbers when we played man) and we had a lot of scoring droughts ...a lot of them

I think we will be better in record along IF the team learns for having some experience of playing big ten basketball ...and grows from it on the macro level....even with margin skill level improvement of our returning players

Very optimistic ...because I think the skill development will be there ....question is...how fast does this team grow up next year ?
 
I’m kinda surprised how a lot are downplaying our roster and saying that “we willed our way to 7 wins”

I kinda see it as the opposite...I think we got by on pure individual basketball skill way too much this season ...and the youth really hurt us in team basketball ...which is why our team defense suffered (though we looked better on the ball than our numbers when we played man) and we had a lot of scoring droughts ...a lot of them

I think we will be better in record along IF the team learns for having some experience of playing big ten basketball ...and grows from it on the macro level....even with margin skill level improvement of our returning players

Very optimistic ...because I think the skill development will be there ....question is...how fast does this team grow up next year ?
Agreed on everything. There was certainly no “overachieving” with our final record at all. Our offense bogged down trying to play team ball, and defense was always gonna be up and down with a young team. Question is with more new pieces, how complicated does Pike try to make the offense next year? They may need to keep it simple one more year until the group can grow up together. Pike needs to empower guys to play with confidence and use their natural skills next year, or the offense will still be a mess.
 
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Sellers was a high school all american and the other players like Dabney,Copeland ,Jordan and Bailey were far more talented than the current Rutgers squad.
When Phil Sellers et al were freshmen (1972-1973), RU went 14-11, then 18-8, then 20-7, and finally 31-2. Let’s hope for a repeat.

Sellers "et al" were not freshmen together, just he and Dabney. Jordan was a Young recruit to American he brought with him, Copeland was also a junior and Bailey was a freshman. So it wasn't just growth and maturity but adding more talented players that created that improvement in the program.

You're not calling Mulcahy a Jordan, are you? And what comes the following year will, of course, be critical.

The analysis is not "spot on" because we won't know until the end of the season, but I do agree that anything less than an NIT berth (barring massive injuries, etc.) will be very disappointing and put enormous pressure on Pikiell the following season.
 
Per Rothstein: The 2019 / 20 College Basketball Season will be one of the more anticipated ones Rutgers has seen in a long time. Expectations!

Per Carino: With most of the team returning plus the arrival of PG Extroadinaire Paul Mulcahy and the activation of Texas transfer Jacob Young, there is every reason to believe that Rutgers will snap its 13 year post season drought and post a winning record for the first time since 2006.

Both are spot on!

I’m very excited for next year, but the backcourt is getting crowded and the front court is not as deep (or big)

Wouldn’t be shocked if a spot or two open on the roster
 
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