42 bowl games
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Bowl games in the past were a means of rewarding teams that had very successful seasons.With the increase in bowl games marginal success is rewarded which is very important for coaching staffs in getting bonus stipends.Yes, there are too many bowl games but fans should realize by now that college football is big business.The fact that many bowl games are poorly attended doesn't seem to deter the trend for more bowl games.
Yes. Whats it to you? Do you really care? It doesnt make RU worse off if two MAC level teams play in some bowl that most people wont watch. In fact it helps RU because for the foreseeable future we are more likely to go in the 6 or 7 win range that in the past got us left out of bowls than the 8+ wins that would have nearly guaranteed it for a biG ten team since the early 1990s.
I mean you do realize that to the rest of the nation basically all of Rutgers bowl appearances (including the bowl we went to in 2006, if not the season leading up to it) fall into the there are too many bowls category, right? Houston, International, PapaJohns.com, St Pete, Pinstripe (I and II), Quick Lane - all are in that category - only the Russell Athletic and Insight were bowls before the time we started making bowls. So of the NINE bowl appearances in 10 years, only 2 would seem to you have been worthy.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say increased demand for fresh TV content (people home for the holidays) plus a lack of supply (rerun season/holiday movies you've seen 49 times) is helping to drive the ever-increasing number of bowls. You can qualify that in whatever cutesy, derisive way you want, but CFB, ESPN, teams and college football viewers are all winning. The only ones losing are the first-world whiners and anti-evolution old guard.
And, hey, it was another truly sh*tty ski season so those games did come in handy.
On this point, I grant you the field. On the two preceding sentences, not so much.
1. Television needs more live sports for ad revenue thanks to the internet and DVRs
2. Everyone gets a trophy thanks to the boomers.
Tell that to the kids that work their butt off all year... Winter, Spring Practice, Summer training, Fall Season.
Ask them if they think there are too many Bowl games.
I have a problem with that also. Certainly an NFL that wins a division with an under .500 record should be excluded from the playoffs. I don't follow the NBA that closely and the NHL not at all but teams with losing records should be excluded from any playoff. MLB has it right, reward those who do it during the long regular season.
so should 2-10 schools also go to bowls because they are working their butts off too, just be consistent if you are going to reach for that argument
Never understood the "exhibition" sentiment (and I've seen it expressed elsewhere, not just by you, der).
A bowl game is an extra OOC game for teams that meet a certain win threshold. It's an opportunity to play a "random" team that has also met a certain win threshold - and an opportunity to see how your team stacks up against competition outside of your conference. It also is another opportunity to see how conferences stack up against each other as a whole, since they don't usually play each other during the regular season.
If you don't like the non-playoff bowl games, don't watch. Might as well not watch any regular season games after we have lost even one game, either, since they don't matter after that since we won't make the playoff. I don't know about anyone else, but I actually like watching football.
How about 43 bowls and this one sounds pretty cool! The Australia Bowl in Melbourne Australia!!! PAC 12 and Mountain West! Would not be surprised to see a Havana Bowl in the not too distance future! Sure beats the Bronx in late December!
I'm not a huge fan of .500 teams making it either but on the other hand, playing a 6 win P5 team is much better then playing a 8 win MAC type team.
Also, I have seen teams that were projected to have bad seasons come out and play UP to a .500 record. Do you think that team isn't damn proud of that accomplishment?
On the other hand, between the NCAA and the NIT, pretty much every MBB team that puts on shorts makes a post season tourney and we can't even do that. I know a couple of you would be creaming your pants if our MBB team made a post season with a mediocre regular season.
Also, I have seen teams that were projected to have bad seasons come out and play UP to a .500 record. Do you think that team isn't damn proud of that accomplishment?
On the other hand, between the NCAA and the NIT, pretty much every MBB team that puts on shorts makes a post season tourney and we can't even do that. I know a couple of you would be creaming your pants if our MBB team made a post season with a mediocre regular season.
IMO good idea in theory but not in practice. They tried this before with the Haka Bowl in the mid-90's and it never went past the preliminary stages or came close to launch. The logistics (distance, cost, time differences, mass international travel on relatively short notice) were just too prohibitive...While even the idea of the Bahamas Bowl is great, many AAC fans I've seen post aren't really too thrilled with being affiliated with the game for similar reasons (obviously not distance but cost, international travel, etc).
Joe P.
It doesn't matter how bowls there are. Just don't go bragging RU made 10 bowls in the last 11 years - it means nothing unless the bowls are BCS/NYD/Playoffs/NC.
100 schools out of 350 or so make post season in basketball which is less than 1/3 not 84 out of 120 which is 2/3
Pretty clear that the NCAA should have a rule regarding bowl games and keeping below the 50% mark. If not that, all the conferences need do is agree to not accept X number of bowls that pay the least.
Enough with the whining about bowl games. Why the incessant bitching about this? If you don't want to see it, I'm sure no one is strapping you to a chair and taping your eyelids open. Some of us enjoy watching college football and it doesn't matter what teams are playing. Come December, I like the option of watching games and different teams that aren't always given TV access during the regular season. That and also since there are only a few games on any given day, there's not the overlap during regular season Saturdays, so I can watch some more games. You damn fascists think always want to control everything. There are more bowl games because there are sponsors willing to pay for them and a number of people who want to watch them.
Why do you always choose to describe such thoughts on the subject as "bitching" or "whining"?
In other words, why are you always bitching and whining about other people expressing their opinions?
Darn right; I'm bitching and whining about the bitching and whining on the subject, because it's so overdone. It's just so easy to ignore bowl games you don't want to see.
I can provide some insight since I also call it bitching and whining. That's because it's the absolute quintessence of bitching and whining. Football fans, on a football board, complaining that there are just too many ... FOOTBALL games. There's a reason the games exist; it really doesn't hurt anyone; and, in fact, it helps Rutgers year after year. Still, people complain. Absolute first world problems.
In fact, when some old timey English dude said, for the very first time ever, "Ye olde maiden, thou doth bitch and whine too much," it was probably because that privileged gal was complaining about something that was actually quite beneficial to her and others like her.
As to why it's necessary to point that out, well, it's a message board. Bickering about differences of opinion is mostly what we do.
In fact, when some old timey English dude said, for the very first time ever, "Ye olde maiden, thou doth bitch and whine too much," it was probably because that privileged gal was complaining about something that was actually quite beneficial to her and others like her.
As to why it's necessary to point that out, well, it's a message board. Bickering about differences of opinion is mostly what we do.
The Bahamas and Hawaii Bowls are on Dec 24. Games on 12/24 and 26 SUCK for fan travel because many would have to change their big holiday plans at such short notice. (props to the RU fans who did make it out to Detroit this past season, even if it meant driving overnight on Christmas, but if RU ended up in Dallas, very few of our people would be able to make it)
I agree, we are discussing something in the sports world, and instead of just agreeing or disagreeing with your viewpoint, posters feel the need to call you a...........
whiner
baby
facist
complainer
bitcher
(topic)tard
idiot etc., etc.
And then some always manage these questions:
Why do you care? (Why do you care enough to ask me why I care?)
How does (random topic) affect your life? ( Time to hit the shrink for some message board counseling.)
Are there not more important things in the world than this? ( This one makes me want to run to a soup kitchen and volunteer I feel so guilty about posting on a message board when I could be saving the world.)
You get the message.
Great point regarding the game dates. The non- Saturday pre-Christmas games are a tough draw, but the 24 and 26 are brutal in terms of travel. Unless the trip is good for the entire family, people with younger kids and/ or big gatherings probably aren't going to be able to make it. Unless those games have either two teams within driving distance, a bowl-hungry fanbase or a large traveling fanbase, they'll struggle at the gate.
Joe P.
Wow..thats a first for me..being referred to as a Fascist, over bowl games no less. In the past, it's usually been .."You Socialist leaning, anti American...blah, blah, blah." Anyway, having this many bowl games hurts the sport. It's akin to Little League now..where everyone gets a trophy. It will be mocked and criticized. Again, i enjoy watching most bowl games. I have no interest watching a 6-6 team play a 5-7 team on Dec 26th in the WeedEater Bowl or whatever.
Nick - you have touched on a key point - becoming bowl-bound then grants a team the opportunity to refine skills - practice - give work to rising players etc.
College football fan? You would have missed the play of the year in the WKU v CMU game, the bloody brawl in the welll played BYU v Memphis game and the greatest comeback in bowl history in Houston v Pittsburgh. Incredible TV and only helps the sport. Missed some great football so really should keep an open mind.
If you like watching football it's a great thing. If you are a coach who wants an extra month to work with your team, it's a great thing. If you are a player who wants to get the royal treatment on a bowl trip, and the chance to raise a trophy and put on a bowl championship ring, it's a great thing. If you are a die hard fan who wants an excuse to take a mini vacation to some place different to bond with your fellow fans and take it all in, it's a great thing. If you are a sponsor who gets the chance to spend down that marketing budget, it's a great thing. If you are a TV network that gets to broadcast the game, it's a great thing.
For everyone else, though, it's terrible.
For everyone else, though, it's terrible.
Have 100 bowl games for all I care. Just don't claim that making a bowl game is an accomplishment anymore. Now it's all about making the 4 team playoff. Everything else is the equivalent of the NIT pretty much save for the major bowls that aren't part of the final four that given year (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton). You want to say traditional bowl games such as the Peach or the Citrus or the Holiday Bowls are great due to their location I can buy that. So that leaves about 8-10 out of the 42 actually having any significance.
It's all about the $$$$$. Even the lowest rated random bowl games still have more viewers for ESPN than the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Games. So while the average fan may not care to see Southern Alabama vs. New Mexico in the "Who Gives a F**** Bowl" on paper, the average fan will be watching when it airs on ESPN on a Tuesday evening in the third week of December because there won't be any other game to compete with for TV ratings.
Very fair point- its programming and inventory for ESPN (gotta have something to air on ESPNU in July or at 2am EST). Also, live/ first-run events (especially from the most popular sport in the country) usually feature a larger captive audience, which means prime advertising rates (more $$$).
Joe P.
Joe P.
