51 Minutes of play.....in last 2 games

[NewJerseyHawk]

Between Ogbole and Martini......ZERO points, 9 rebounds....8 Fouls

It is IMPOSSIBLE to win games and have 51 minutes of play and come up with 8 fouls, 9 rebounds and NO points in a Power conference game.

This roster has pieces that can help salvage a season BUT it has to remove players who simply don't produce anything in any meaningful way.

As I mentioned in at least 30 different threads, it is literally impossible to have Dylan Grant not seeing minutes......even with NO minutes and no meaningful play in a month, he bailed out the team with some energy and willingness to hit the glass.

The defensive rotations are not any worse with him playing.

No one is annoting Dylan Grant as a savior or something BUT he clearly is better than Martini on defense and rebounding.....Grants shot needs work, but it's at least something I'm willing to live with.

If the staff is serious about winning games and getting defense and rebounding, Dortch should see minutes and his redshirt should be torched/burned/shredded.

He is the missing perimeter defender that can close out on shooters and make it more difficult to drive against us. I'm pretty certain his offense is better than Ogbole, who simply doesn't score.

51 minutes and ZERO points is very hard to do and ask Dylan, Ace to overcome such a hole on the scorecard. We are having discussions about whether JMike Davis or Derek Simpson would have been better off if he stayed......those are marginal gains or differences.....Derkack or JWill are hit or miss....but even with their uneven or inconsistent play, they at least score once in awhile.

If the staff clamps down on the rotation and limits the nonsense or Ogbole and Martini, there's still enough upside on this roster with Lathanz Grant, Dortch and a batch of Acuff hitting some shots.

 

[cm_13]

The defensive rotations are not any worse with him playing.

I’d go a step further. He actually looked really good on the defensive end to me.

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

Between Ogbole and Martini......ZERO points, 9 rebounds....8 Fouls

It is IMPOSSIBLE to win games and have 51 minutes of play and come up with 8 fouls, 9 rebounds and NO points in a Power conference game.

This roster has pieces that can help salvage a season BUT it has to remove players who simply don't produce anything in any meaningful way.

As I mentioned in at least 30 different threads, it is literally impossible to have Dylan Grant not seeing minutes......even with NO minutes and no meaningful play in a month, he bailed out the team with some energy and willingness to hit the glass.

The defensive rotations are not any worse with him playing.

No one is annoting Dylan Grant as a savior or something BUT he clearly is better than Martini on defense and rebounding.....Grants shot needs work, but it's at least something I'm willing to live with.

If the staff is serious about winning games and getting defense and rebounding, Dortch should see minutes and his redshirt should be torched/burned/shredded.

He is the missing perimeter defender that can close out on shooters and make it more difficult to drive against us. I'm pretty certain his offense is better than Ogbole, who simply doesn't score.

51 minutes and ZERO points is very hard to do and ask Dylan, Ace to overcome such a hole on the scorecard. We are having discussions about whether JMike Davis or Derek Simpson would have been better off if he stayed......those are marginal gains or differences.....Derkack or JWill are hit or miss....but even with their uneven or inconsistent play, they at least score once in awhile.

If the staff clamps down on the rotation and limits the nonsense or Ogbole and Martini, there's still enough upside on this roster with Lathanz Grant, Dortch and a batch of Acuff hitting some shots.

Shocking how bad these guys are, particularly Martini.

 

[SBP]

100%. But Thursday night is the witching hour… is it too little too late?

Dylan point
Acuff spot up 2
Ace wing 3
Grant 4
Lathan 5

However, I don’t think Pike sits JMike. But the above lineup would be good offensively.
Just gotta get Lathan to recognize and kick out more to open cutters/shooters.

Let’s go. Nothin to loose.

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

100%. But Thursday night is the witching hour… is it too little too late?

Dylan point
Acuff spot up 2
Ace wing 3
Grant 4
Lathan 5

However, I don’t think Pike sits JMike. But the above lineup would be good offensively.
Just gotta get Lathan to recognize and kick out more to open cutters/shooters.

Let’s go. Nothin to loose.

🍸🍸🍸

 

[MCKnight2004]

Agree, Ogbole offers nothing but a body, terrible at hedge and recover, he doesn’t even eat space in the lane, doesn’t block any shots at the rim, and never competes for a rebound, he gets the ones that fall to him. He’s. A zero on offense. There’s a reason he was at Monroe College in the Bronx not exactly a reputable hoops JUCO

Martini has been more than disappointing. Even in an ideal world where his confidence in shot making was still there, The offense we run doesn’t utilize his 3 point shot making. And he can’t defend or rebound at this level.

Play the long quick athletes that compete and look like they’d be big time players in the SEC walking into the gym, Grant and Dortch

 

[richthedentist]

100%. But Thursday night is the witching hour… is it too little too late?

Dylan point
Acuff spot up 2
Ace wing 3
Grant 4
Lathan 5

However, I don’t think Pike sits JMike. But the above lineup would be good offensively.
Just gotta get Lathan to recognize and kick out more to open cutters/shooters.

Let’s go. Nothin to loose.

Agreed Derkack and Martini should not see the floor the rest of the season

 

[RW90]

I just don't get get Ogbole's role. He typically starts both halves but yet Lathan then gets more total minutes.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Between Ogbole and Martini......ZERO points, 9 rebounds....8 Fouls

It is IMPOSSIBLE to win games and have 51 minutes of play and come up with 8 fouls, 9 rebounds and NO points in a Power conference game.

This roster has pieces that can help salvage a season BUT it has to remove players who simply don't produce anything in any meaningful way.

As I mentioned in at least 30 different threads, it is literally impossible to have Dylan Grant not seeing minutes......even with NO minutes and no meaningful play in a month, he bailed out the team with some energy and willingness to hit the glass.

The defensive rotations are not any worse with him playing.

No one is annoting Dylan Grant as a savior or something BUT he clearly is better than Martini on defense and rebounding.....Grants shot needs work, but it's at least something I'm willing to live with.

If the staff is serious about winning games and getting defense and rebounding, Dortch should see minutes and his redshirt should be torched/burned/shredded.

He is the missing perimeter defender that can close out on shooters and make it more difficult to drive against us. I'm pretty certain his offense is better than Ogbole, who simply doesn't score.

51 minutes and ZERO points is very hard to do and ask Dylan, Ace to overcome such a hole on the scorecard. We are having discussions about whether JMike Davis or Derek Simpson would have been better off if he stayed......those are marginal gains or differences.....Derkack or JWill are hit or miss....but even with their uneven or inconsistent play, they at least score once in awhile.

If the staff clamps down on the rotation and limits the nonsense or Ogbole and Martini, there's still enough upside on this roster with Lathanz Grant, Dortch and a batch of Acuff hitting some shots.

You know my take ….its near coaching malpractice (and I have been a huge supporter of pike) thsr we have had a glaring weakness at the four and five ….and we have an athletic slasher who was a four star top 100-125 recruit sitting on the bench waiting there to give us what we have been lacking ?????

mind that grant played some minutes at the five as well today since the matchup dictates it could work.

Sending Ogobke to try to chase to the three point line ??? C’mon pike …your better than that ….

It’s time to play players who can play and produce in mutiple ways on both sides of the basket

More grant
Lot less Ogobke
Lot less martini (if at all)

More acuff
Less Jwill

Find a way to get sommwrville going ….who has hot and cold stretches and good and bad stretches …but is at least produces …

This is nothing more than being objective on what is being done on the court when they are out there …..nothing to do with what kinds of citizens or students they are

Ita big boy basketball ….time for pike to
Be real objective and practice using his own statement

“Play the best and fair to the rest”

 

[Scangg]

Between Ogbole and Martini......ZERO points, 9 rebounds....8 Fouls

It is IMPOSSIBLE to win games and have 51 minutes of play and come up with 8 fouls, 9 rebounds and NO points in a Power conference game.

This roster has pieces that can help salvage a season BUT it has to remove players who simply don't produce anything in any meaningful way.

As I mentioned in at least 30 different threads, it is literally impossible to have Dylan Grant not seeing minutes......even with NO minutes and no meaningful play in a month, he bailed out the team with some energy and willingness to hit the glass.

The defensive rotations are not any worse with him playing.

No one is annoting Dylan Grant as a savior or something BUT he clearly is better than Martini on defense and rebounding.....Grants shot needs work, but it's at least something I'm willing to live with.

If the staff is serious about winning games and getting defense and rebounding, Dortch should see minutes and his redshirt should be torched/burned/shredded.

He is the missing perimeter defender that can close out on shooters and make it more difficult to drive against us. I'm pretty certain his offense is better than Ogbole, who simply doesn't score.

51 minutes and ZERO points is very hard to do and ask Dylan, Ace to overcome such a hole on the scorecard. We are having discussions about whether JMike Davis or Derek Simpson would have been better off if he stayed......those are marginal gains or differences.....Derkack or JWill are hit or miss....but even with their uneven or inconsistent play, they at least score once in awhile.

If the staff clamps down on the rotation and limits the nonsense or Ogbole and Martini, there's still enough upside on this roster with Lathanz Grant, Dortch and a batch of Acuff hitting some shots.

Agree with the premise, but Lathan can't play all game

Martini should be benched. Ogbole needs to fill some minutes at the 5

Grant isn't built to be a 5, certainly not as a true freshman and Dortch is even skinnier

Grant or Ace can get away with some 5 in spurts depending on matchup if a team goes small

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

You know my take ….its near coaching malpractice (and I have been a huge supporter of pike) thsr we have had a glaring weakness at the four and five ….and we have an athletic slasher who was a four star top 100-125 recruit sitting on the bench waiting there to give us what we have been lacking ?????

mind that grant played some minutes at the five as well today since the matchup dictates it could work.

Sending Ogobke to try to chase to the three point line ??? C’mon pike …your better than that ….

It’s time to play players who can play and produce in mutiple ways on both sides of the basket

More grant
Lot less Ogobke
Lot less martini (if at all)

More acuff
Less Jwill

Find a way to get sommwrville going ….who has hot and cold stretches and good and bad stretches …but is at least produces …

This is nothing more than being objective on what is being done on the court when they are out there …..nothing to do with what kinds of citizens or students they are

Ita big boy basketball ….time for pike to
Be real objective and practice using his own statement

“Play the best and fair to the rest”

Martini will continue to play don't worry. He is co-captain of this ship. 🍸

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Taking the above

This is my rotation

Dylan 32
Acuff 26
Ace 32
Grant 26 (yes I’m serious )
Sommwrville 26

Jwill 16
Jmike 16
Derkack 16

Last 10 minutes either go the 6-8 plates or situations to the guys no longer in rotation …hayes , martini and Ogobke

And yes …the above requires grant to play some five minutes …do it. At least he was rotating correctly and mostly in the right place on defense

The lead was built in the first half by guys not rotating correctly and then going 12 for 18 from 2 in the first half …

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Ogbole is still our best center most nights in B1G.

 

[Mr Magoo]

I actually believed that Grant must be that bad if Pike wouldn’t play him. Now I think he is just clueless and afraid to upset the captain and others.

 

[SBP]

Agreed Derkack and Martini should not see the floor the rest of the season

Nah Jordan is ok, just reign in his bs driving.

 

[SBP]

I actually believed that Grant must be that bad if Pike wouldn’t play him. Now I think he is just clueless and afraid to upset the captain and others.

See my above thread on reason….

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Ogbole is still our best center most nights in B1G.

Is he if he can’t rotate on defense correctly ???

I see more and more evidence that he isn’t in the right place at the right time waaaaaaay too much

Rather have an undersized four playing minutes at the five in grant if he rotates right and boxes out and scraps on the boards…and give up a few post up moves Than the constant lay up brigade we saw in the first half …and then not being able to chase to the three line and get back

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Nah Jordan is ok, just reign in his bs driving.

JD needs to learn to pick his spot better.

We are asking bin to do waaaaaaaay too much, play too many different positions , on both ends ….and he doesn’t get into a grove or rhythm.

Getting him focused to a more confined roll and I think he will be okay

 

[winfield102]

Nah Jordan is ok, just reign in his bs driving.

No one gets reigned in on offense by the staff. That's a very large part of why I called us "out" of the tourney after the OSU loss, before your thread.

His offensive foul on the drive in the 2nd half was so bad. What a low IQ play and we seem to see it at least once a game from him. He consistently balances out his good plays with poor ones.

 

[bac2therac]

the issue is that one game one player will have a good game, board says he needs more minutes, reduce this other guy who had a bad games minutes...wash rinse repeat, we are rotating players. It wasnt long ago we were crying for more minutes for Hayes and JD. The reality is none of them are good enough consistently to move the needle

 

[ScarletDave]

I just don't get get Ogbole's role. He typically starts both halves but yet Lathan then gets more total minutes.

One of the great mysteries I can ever recall. Right up there with what ever happened to the Rocket RB under Schiano. Wtf are we doing with Ogbole, how did we not get a single legit backup Center in the Big Ten, even most mid majors have one

 

[ScarletDave]

the issue is that one game one player will have a good game, board says he needs more minutes, reduce this other guy who had a bad games minutes...wash rinse repeat, we are rotating players. It wasnt long ago we were crying for more minutes for Hayes and JD. The reality is none of them are good enough consistently to move the needle

When was Martini and Ogbole’s good games that people said play them more after? I cant remember

 

[Scangg]

the issue is that one game one player will have a good game, board says he needs more minutes, reduce this other guy who had a bad games minutes...wash rinse repeat, we are rotating players. It wasnt long ago we were crying for more minutes for Hayes and JD. The reality is none of them are good enough consistently to move the needle

Really we just need a couple roll players to have a good game as long as Ace and Dylan show up

Unfortunately they were mostly all not, then Dylan got sick, then Ace had an awful night

There is more of a reason for optimism since Acuff is working his way back from injury so that is a legitimate reason he wasnt performing. Pike said he saw him dunk for the first time the other day so he's feeling better

Grant is a freshman who wasn't playing so its not like he's played all season and just had one random good game. This was his first game with extended minutes and he delivered

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

the issue is that one game one player will have a good game, board says he needs more minutes, reduce this other guy who had a bad games minutes...wash rinse repeat, we are rotating players. It wasnt long ago we were crying for more minutes for Hayes and JD. The reality is none of them are good enough consistently to move the needle

I think this is where RU fans have literally no patience or anything that makes sense.

The issue isn't asking for this player or that playsr, this is about the overall weaknesses of the roster and it is not going to improve without better rebounding or on ball defense and the ability to impact shooters.

It is a length and speed/size disadvantage to ask JWill or JMike to switch onto a 6th year senior in John Tonje of Wisconsin and allow him to bully his way into the paint, driving baseline. At least if you have Grant or Dortch, they can impact the drives, if they switch onto a Tonje or Blackwell and if they drive, someone can alter or make the drive more difficult.

And I am only counting 3 rebounds, but if you add in the tipped attempt at a rebound, a dive on the floor for a tie-up and running the floor for a dunk, those are hustle points that you can get on offense and hustle defense that helps keep the scoring under control.

Wisconsin burned Iowa for 113 points the other night and other than poor closeouts by Ogbole and others and allowing Crowl to outrun Ogbole to the rim, those freebies gave Wisconsin points.

My concern is that now fans are immediately going to expect 8 PTS and 3 rebounds the next 3 to 4 times Grant plays....but even if it's just 5PTS and 2 rebounds, it's better than ZERO.....

If Ace has an average game shooting (6 of 16, instead of 3 of 16) that's either 6 to 8 points, depending on what shots fall. And that's with nothing from Dylan Harper, although Acuff and his productivity, could be viewed as "Dylan Harper caliber".

If Acuff and Grant can give this bench 15 PTS and 6 Rebounds a game and Ace and Dylan come up with the potential 35 PTS between them, i have something to build on. I can find another 25 points from Lathan, JWill, JMike, Derkack, Hayes etc.

I'm 99.9% certain Dortch in 20 minutes a game is worth 6PPG in better defense and another 4 to 6PPG on offense. The metrics would immediately jump to a formula that wins games, assuming Grant and Dortch are even just 60 to 70% FT shooters as well.

 

[rufeelinit]

Kind of makes you wonder if the presence of Harper and Bailey are influencing who Pike plays and who he does not. Has he been caught between trying to maximize this year and thus going with the more experienced guys at the expense of developing players who might have growing pains but have higher long term ceilings? Guys like Lathan, Grant and Dortch would seem to be the building blocks going forward. I think we are getting to the point where the focus should be on their development rather than chasing an NCAA bid that looks less likely with each passing game. I just hate what NIL and the portal have done to program building. If you are not providing instant gratification you are vulnerable to guys walking.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

the issue is that one game one player will have a good game, board says he needs more minutes, reduce this other guy who had a bad games minutes...wash rinse repeat, we are rotating players. It wasnt long ago we were crying for more minutes for Hayes and JD. The reality is none of them are good enough consistently to move the needle

C’mon …this is not the shinny new toy syndrome

We have guys playing on the court who get nothing done on the statical sheet …and then are a defensive liability. And this trend is for multiple games for multiple guys

If they can’t affect the game offensively to offset the defensive issues ….then play those who can

This is big boy basektball and the reality is, no matter how nice or well rounded students martini, hayes and Ogoble are, they don’t get it done offensively and are a defensive liability

I have been screaming for grant for 6 weeks….becsuse if we are going to play someone who might ne offensice limited (and last night he wasn’t )…he will board and defend and shore up a major weakness that others on this roster are not providing

Let’s keep it objective here …we have a lot of data on martini, hayes and Ogobke that back this up ….and the defensive liabilities put pressure on the other guys to cover for them and make them less effective at their own role

 

[Salvi's Headband]

One of the great mysteries I can ever recall. Right up there with what ever happened to the Rocket RB under Schiano. Wtf are we doing with Ogbole, how did we not get a single legit backup Center in the Big Ten, even most mid majors have one

He's in the mix.