98 Minutes of play since Kennesaw, 6 Rebounds

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what is this?

 

[seansherm]

what is this?

It's funny is what it is

 

[biazza38]

26 paragraphs is too long.....point taken...

6 rebounds is walk-on level productivity.....Point given.

Are there other more realistic complaints?? Sure, I have 500 other paragraphs to comb through on this board and elsewhere....

What's more ironic is that I have a HC for 3 straight years, rewarding bad play down the stretch (Mulcahy), bad behavior & moping/quitting/sulking (Mag) and now a very nice, NJ native and HS classmate of Mulcahy, being placed in a position to torpedo a 3rd season in a row.

We have coaches in both sports who are very lax, who have contract extensions and ZERO sense of urgency.

I watched a substantial amount of snaps rewarded to Chris Long on offense, where he drops passes on a regular basis.....

I watch a HC seemingly look the other way, with a linebacker who does not read plays or the field well, continuing to be put on the field (Moses Walker) and blow assignment after assignment, which winds up giving huge chunks of yards.

I watch another safety in Igbinosun, continue to miss assignments on plays, allowing wide open WRs or lose containment at least 15 to 20 times in the 1st 8 games....

Meanwhile, anyone with a pulse could clearly see that the 2 best and productive WRs, were Ian Strong and KJ Duff......why waste so many snaps and blow games vs Nebraska, because you cannot convert in the redzone??

I have a HC, who seemingly cannot read weather forecasts or gauge wind or cold weather, calling mindless timeouts.....and I could agree with calling a timeout IF, it's 65 degrees and cloudy or even a slight rain.

RU football with "below average", roster management and common sense and sense of urgency, is a 9-3 football season and playing on New Years Day. We have a 1st team all caliber Running Back, 2 NFL caliber WRs and a left tackle, who just because he isn't a 4* recruit, is headed to the NFL after almost 50 straight starts on the OL (Hollin Pierce).

Pike is still actually better at coaching than Schiano, but playing Martini is dropping him BELOW Schiano status, which is below average for a Power 4/5 program.

Two different sports, same awful patterns.....same horrible results.....two 2024 sports seasons WAY below realistic expectations.

If Pike has any respect for his roster and results, these lineup changes are not atomic bombs, they're just normal coaching moves.....

It’s funny how you lump GS into this conversation yet adjustments were made. Just because they weren’t to you’re liking timing wise doesn’t mean he got it wrong.
Do you think maybe that freshman WR had to learn the playbook and get acclimated to B1G play? Do you think maybe, just maybe the DC needed a bye week to break everything down and insert more game ready players?
You also love to conveniently leave out the injuries that we experienced.
The two NFL caliber WR’s were freshmen and sophomore. We lost our best defensive player and captain on the o line. We lost three tight ends and our number two RB. Not to mention the whole secondary and d line were banged up every game. There were times where we had 3 freshman dbs and two former walks on at d line and walk on lb in the game. You seriously are so dishonest with this stuff. To even lump GS in the category of Pike’s mismanagement is so wild. You always do this.
Moses Walker saw a ton of time early because Powell was dealing with an injury and we had no depth there with Toure out. Long’s snap count significantly dropped later in the year once Duff was game ready. Same thing with Des, who was also replaced by a FRESHMAN who was game ready later in the year. You try to make it seem like our roster is loaded with talent. We had 1 player who was first team all B1G this year and two who were third team all B1G. Meanwhile Pike has two NBA lottery picks and we’re awful. How can you even possibly think Pike is better at coaching than GS.

 

[Big East Beast]

Funny I was saying the same thing yesterday.....

At this stage I am willing to see what we have out of him especially in the age of the portal where he may not even be here next year. If I were riding the bench watching some players, who don't contribute much, playing over me I would consider leaving.

What I cant understand is how some of these players like PJ Hayes are riding the pine for poor defense yet I watch people like JMike get EATEN alive by players still getting playing time AND he has zero offensive production.

JMike played excellent on-ball defense at the end.

Lee is legit, so is going to make plays and seemed to be on a mission with something to prove.

If anything from coaching end, I would have liked to have seen Harper on him some more or thrown some zone at them since they didn’t shoot well.

Williams and Martini getting zero rebounds in 42 minutes is shocking and unacceptable from 5th year Sr co-captains.

They need to decide how they want to finish their college career. They are supposed to be the grinders.

 

[Ridge 22]

It’s funny how you lump GS into this conversation yet adjustments were made. Just because they weren’t to you’re liking timing wise doesn’t mean he got it wrong.
Do you think maybe that freshman WR had to learn the playbook and get acclimated to B1G play? Do you think maybe, just maybe the DC needed a bye week to break everything down and insert more game ready players?
You also love to conveniently leave out the injuries that we experienced.
The two NFL caliber WR’s were freshmen and sophomore. We lost our best defensive player and captain on the o line. We lost three tight ends and our number two RB. Not to mention the whole secondary and d line were banged up every game. There were times where we had 3 freshman dbs and two former walks on at d line and walk on lb in the game. You seriously are so dishonest with this stuff. To even lump GS in the category of Pike’s mismanagement is so wild. You always do this.
Moses Walker saw a ton of time early because Powell was dealing with an injury and we had no depth there with Toure out. Long’s snap count significantly dropped later in the year once Duff was game ready. Same thing with Des, who was also replaced by a FRESHMAN who was game ready later in the year. You try to make it seem like our roster is loaded with talent. We had 1 player who was first team all B1G this year and two who were third team all B1G. Meanwhile Pike has two NBA lottery picks and we’re awful. How can you even possibly think Pike is better at coaching than GS.

A 500 word run on sentence response is just absolutely perfect for this thread. Well done!!

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

NJH just point out facts.

 

[biazza38]

A 500 word run on sentence response is just absolutely perfect for this thread. Well done!!

It takes that many words to correct all of his BS. But thanks
Also, feel free to point out where I’m wrong.

 

[rucoe89]

Here is the recap of the RU season....it doesn't mean that the 1st 4 games OR the St Johns exhibition didn't matter or count.

RU for the hoops perspective and football, has an enormous amount of coaching malpractice....but for the current topic....this is the current topic....I'll address the 2024 failures in football separately because it is the same PATTERN.

Here are 4 players that all have either position limitations or challenges on defense.....BUT the number 1 issue with RU hoops is REBOUNDING. These are stats of players starting with Kennesaw State.

PJ Hayes is a 6'5 Guard

83 Minutes
20 PTS
10 REBs

Ogbole
129 minutes....
42 points
34 rebounds,
2 assists,
7 Blocks

Sommerville
141 minutes.....
38 PTS,
25 rebounds
7 assists
7 turnovers.

Zach Martini
98 minutes
14 PTS (7 vs Princeton)
6 Rebounds
4 Steals (3 vs Notre Dame)
1 Assist (Kennesaw)
3 Turnovers

I am asking ANY fair and logical sports fan....if I gave you FOUR options of the choices above, which of the 4 players will do worse in 98 minutes in terms of rebounding.

I am focusing on REBOUNDING because a player HAS to be good as something in order to play. And of the 4 players above, 3 of them also struggle on defense. BUT all 4 have a higher chance of getting more than 6 rebounds.

This is WHY, Pike, the staff and fans that are enamored with 3 point shooting OR the game Martini had against RU and Cliff last year, can talk their way into believing something, when the eye test AND numbers DO NOT support playing someone who doesn't defend, doesn't rebound, doesn't generate any offense off the dribble with an assist. What does the player do well, against better competition??

I am 100% certain that RU could pull any player off of ANY of the past 5 rosters, who fans claim could not play, could not defend, could not shoot, pass or even make FTs and I can name EIGHT to TEN players who could get more than 6 rebounds in almost 100 minutes

Antonio Chol
Antione Woolfork
Dean Reiber
Candido Sa
Shaq Doorson
Issa Thiam
Oskar Palmquist
Daniel Lobach (Walk on)
Luke Nathan #55 (Walk-on, 6'10)

BUT, some will say "HAWK IS OVER THE TOP.......i think the reality is the level of play from an experiment gone bad is so alarmingly bad, that I don't want to hear anyone ever tell me, that if you have a DEFENSE and REBOUNDING problem, why on earth does a player earn 98 minutes of playing time.

IF Martini was scoring, or making plays, THEN, I "could" say that Pike and the staff are trading "offense for defense and rebounding ".

BUT he is scoring at a level LOWER than the 4 players and nowhere near the rebounding.

i watch basketball and I am 100% certain that Luke Nathan, who was on this roster and has skills and some "want to", can generate more than 14 PTS and 6 rebounds in 98 minutes....

So....I also have named NINE former players who played in the front court as bench players or Walk ons....and I believe ALL nine could get 14 and 6 and play better defense than Martini OR at worse still get 15 to 20 rebounds.

Princeton gets NINETEEN offensive rebounds.....Caden Pierce is a nice player. He gets a bunch on his own....and you ask Zach Martini in a bunch of critical spots to get on the glass?? And switch on defense and get stops??

All NINE of the players listed above are not better than Dylan Grant or Bryce Dortch with an ability to switch on defense and offer an option to rebound or alter a shot attempt.

I have been wrong PLENTY of times, but this one is beyond obvious that there is NO WAY, that an athletic 6'9, 195 to 200 lb wing/forward who is actually a little physically stronger size wise than even Ace Bailey, cannot find 6 rebounds......it is probably at WORSE 16 to 20 in 98 minutes of play.

We lost by 2 to Kennesaw
We lost by 1 to Princeton
We lost by 4 to Texas A&M
We won by 3 vs SHU, but realistically, that is a 10 to 11 point win, with normal FT shooting, so I am not counting that game as "close".

If you find an additional 10 to 15 rebounds by playing someone else other than Martini, that's not 19 offensive rebounds by Princeton, maybe it's 12 or 13. That is SIX more opportunities to score....that's not a defense problem as much as it's a glass problem.

I think we are bashing Pike and the staff for recruiting misses in 2021, 2022, 2023 BUT any Pike player mentioned above OR Grant and Dortch are at least 10 to 15 rebounds better than 6, in 98 minutes.

Don't blame Martini.....it is NOT his fault. He never had a pattern of rebounding at any point in time at Princeton, which I addressed 6 to 7 months ago. He is a situation specific player in the B1G, NOT a TWENTY minutes a game player, in crunch time, when you need defense and rebounding.

BURN the redshirt of Bryce Dortch, play Dylan Grant more OR let Sommerville play 26 minutes a game, or more minutes to Hayes or even Ogbole if the matchups are there.

But when you are playing a smaller Princeton, or Ohio State or others who go small-ball, Dortch, Grant are better options in EVERY category. Why the staff after 10 to 11 games, pulled this stunt, is beyond logical.

Pikiell seems to way more recruiting misses than hits.

 

[satnom]

JMike played excellent on-ball defense at the end.

Lee is legit, so is going to make plays and seemed to be on a mission with something to prove.

If anything from coaching end, I would have liked to have seen Harper on him some more or thrown some zone at them since they didn’t shoot well.

Williams and Martini getting zero rebounds in 42 minutes is shocking and unacceptable from 5th year Sr co-captains.

They need to decide how they want to finish their college career. They are supposed to be the grinders.

Agree with pts but pls don’t lump Williams and Martini in same sentence regarding defense. Williams works tirelessly [dumb fouls included]. Martini is a stiff.

GO RU

 

[Ridge 22]

It takes that many words to correct all of his BS. But thanks
Also, feel free to point out where I’m wrong.

You're not wrong at all. It was more a comment about symmetry. Little things go a long way these days

 

[Scangg]

I remember arguing with Richie when I brought up Martini not being a good rebounder when we landed him and I was one of the few who didn't like it. He insisted he was. Definitely not. He's undersized and can't jump

 

[seansherm]

I remember arguing with Richie when I brought up Martini not being a good rebounder when we landed him and I was one of the few who didn't like it. He insisted he was. Definitely not. He's undersized and can't jump

It amazed me the justifications we got. My favorite was how he boxed everyone out so Pierce could collect all the rebounds.

 

[Scarlet Blind]

Zach Martini 80 career games, 36 starts, 1530 minutes(19.1min/gm)
211 career rebounds, that's 2.6 reb/gm for a 6'7 235lb player
His career high in rebounds is seven.
2gm 6 reb, 9gm 5rebs

That's why I wanted Matt Allocco or give me a Caden Pierce type.

 

[Scarlet Blind]

Derkack 78 gm, 4.9 reb, 27.8 min ... 4.8 / 24.8 (24-25)
JWill 61 gm, 3.4 reb, 29.6 min ... 3.0 / 24.8
Ogbole 22 gm, 3.0 reb, 11.4 min ... 3.8 / 14.2
Martini 80 gm, 2.6 reb, 19.1 min ... 2.0 / 17.6
Hayes 44. gm, 2.9 reb, 21.0 min ... 2.3 / 13.9
Acuff 117 gm, 2.6 reb, 26.7 min ... 1.2 / 11.4
JMike 44 gm, 2.5 reb, 21.0 min ... 0.9 / 15.5

Totals 21.9 reb, 156.6 minutes ... 18.0 / 122.2 min (24-25)

Dylan 4.8 reb, 34.4 min
Ace 7.6 reb, 33.7 min
Sommerville 3.9 reb, 19.1 min

Total 16.3 reb, 87.2 min

112.8 min left ÷ 156.6 about 72% drop in career
72% of 21.9 reb = 15.8 rebs

32-34 rebounds a game will not cut it.
Because Dylan and Ace will get 34 minutes each, Somerville will get 18-20 min, Derkack has earned his minutes.

The numbers are a little off because of a few players missing games/DNPs.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Derkack 78 gm, 4.9 reb, 27.8 min ... 4.8 / 24.8 (24-25)
JWill 61 gm, 3.4 reb, 29.6 min ... 3.0 / 24.8
Ogbole 22 gm, 3.0 reb, 11.4 min ... 3.8 / 14.2
Martini 80 gm, 2.6 reb, 19.1 min ... 2.0 / 17.6
Hayes 44. gm, 2.9 reb, 21.0 min ... 2.3 / 13.9
Acuff 117 gm, 2.6 reb, 26.7 min ... 1.2 / 11.4
JMike 44 gm, 2.5 reb, 21.0 min ... 0.9 / 15.5

Totals 21.9 reb, 156.6 reb ... 18.0 / 122.2

Dylan 4.8 reb, 34.4 min
Ace 7.6 reb, 33.7 min
Sommerville 3.9 reb, 19.1 min

Total 16.3 reb, 87.2 min

112.8 min left ÷ 156.6 about 72% drop in career
72% of 21.9 reb = 15.8 rebs

32-34 rebounds a game will not cut it.
Because Dylan and Ace will get 34 minutes each, Somerville will get 18-20 min, Derkack has earned his minutes.

The numbers are a little off because of a few players missing games/DNPs.

This is easier and better....go to bottom where player stats are. We need a DEF REB % at 70% (we collect 70% off op misses) bare minimum...under DR

T-Page for Rutgers - Customizable College Basketball Tempo Free Stats - T-Rank

T-Rank College Basketball Ratings and Rankings. And fun.

barttorvik.com

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Any lineup without Martini and JaMike gets you there...stats need to be taken with 2 grains of salt, but...any lineup with JaMike and Martini is rebounding suicide

 

[Scangg]

It amazed me the justifications we got. My favorite was how he boxed everyone out so Pierce could collect all the rebounds.

That's exactly what was being said 🤣

Must have lead Princeton in rebound assists. New advanced stat

 

[KevH]

That's exactly what was being said 🤣

Must have lead Princeton in rebound assists. New advanced stat

Rebound Assists... 🤣🤣 I might even accept that. It would at least mean SOMEBODY'S gettin' rebounds.

 

[Shelby65]

I remember arguing with Richie when I brought up Martini not being a good rebounder when we landed him and I was one of the few who didn't like it. He insisted he was. Definitely not. He's undersized and can't jump

Neither of those missing attributes matter more than sloth and not being in position to box out.

 

[Shelby65]

Any lineup without Martini and JaMike gets you there...stats need to be taken with 2 grains of salt, but...any lineup with JaMike and Martini is rebounding suicide

Nevermind rebound suicide. Those two and Derkack get blown past at the first dribble.