You're not using whole system numbers are you? Even if those are just UP there is still quite a disparity.
Diversity is a rough short hand for affluence. Student family income not easy to track. But having 75% of your students from the most historically advantaged group might have an impact over a place with less than 50% when talking about giving.
Asians are not disadvantage. So it is 73% not less than 50%
Rutgers must make sure they give out the proper facts.
If Rutgers says in their magazine that only 8% of alumni are donors then they need to answer this Question...........
In the article by Northjersey.com Rutgers says of the recently completed Fund Drive for 1 Billion dollars, there were 130,000 donors of which 70,000 were alumni. The Rutgers alumni association says there are 450 thousand living alumni.
So 70,000/450,000 = 16% Seems to me, 16% donate. This is twice as much as what is in the magazine. Am I wrong here?
I agree with those that wish and hope Alumni can give more, we won't upgrade facilities without it, but the number looks like 16% not 8%. We should at least get the facts straight.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/rutgers-says-fund-drive-raised-more-than-1b-1.1234125
Rutgers must make sure they give out the proper facts.
If Rutgers says in their magazine that only 8% of alumni are donors then they need to answer this Question...........
In the article by Northjersey.com Rutgers says of the recently completed Fund Drive for 1 Billion dollars, there were 130,000 donors of which 70,000 were alumni. The Rutgers alumni association says there are 450 thousand living alumni.
So 70,000/450,000 = 16% Seems to me, 16% donate. This is twice as much as what is in the magazine. Am I wrong here?
I agree with those that wish and hope Alumni can give more, we won't upgrade facilities without it, but the number looks like 16% not 8%. We should at least get the facts straight.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/rutgers-says-fund-drive-raised-more-than-1b-1.1234125
Asians are over represented in any quality college. In California, UCLA, UC Berkeley, UC San Diego they represent 40% of the student population.Diversity numbers really have nothing to do with this thread but I know how much you enjoy dinging PSU. To put some context to these numbers lets compare each school to the state as a whole:
Rutgers - as compared to the State as a whole:
Asian RU - 26.4%, NJ 9.2% (RU at 287% of State)
Black - RU 8%, NJ 14.7% (RU at 54% of State)
Hispanic RU 12.7%, NJ 18.9% (RU at 67% of State
White RU 47% NJ 57.6% (RU at 82% of State
PSU - as compared to the State as a whole:
Asian PSU 6% - %, PA 3.1%% (PSU at 194% of State)
Black - PSU 4.7%%, Pa 11.5% (PSU at 41% of State)
Hispanic PSU at 6 %, Pa at 6.3% (PSU at 95% of State)
White PSU 79.2% Pa 83.2% (PSU at 95% of State)
While RU is more diverse, PSU does not fair as badly as you would think when compared to Pennsylvania as a whole. In each case, Asians are over represented at the expense of all other groups.
A high percentage of Asians attending RU are first generation americans from the Indian subcontinent whose parents work multiple jobs and/or many hours to make a living - from a purely economic point of view, many of them would be considered disadvantaged. We're not talking about at RU the kids of the highly educated Asian American community that, particularly on the west coast, have been living in the US for multiple generations.
There must be a lot of poor white folks going to Rutgers.Yeah and a lot of them are from North Edison, East and South Brunswick, Marlboro, Holmdel, Princeton, West Windsor, Fort Lee and the surrounding heavily Korean towns...are those places disadvantaged?
RU also has the second largest Jewish population in the country too, and one of the largest Muslim populations. I'm guessing you're going to tell me that despite those groups, like Asians, having higher than average incomes overall nationally, the RU ones are the poor ones, right?
The president of the RUF is quoted in Rutgers Magazine citing these as reasons for low donation rates and I think we can believe he has access to research and data, not merely opinion, that support his claim. Whether or not they are unique to RU is irrelevant.
The thing about relevancy is context. And in the context of the discussion that you entered it was very relevant. The question of whether the supposed RU Screw was a uniquely Rutgers problem (which it is not).
The point you are making is that these things impact giving. Of course, negative experiences impact giving. That is true everywhere and anywhere. But that doesn't mean the myth of the great RU Screw is the reason people don't donate to Rutgers.
Thank you for the correction. I appreciate that. You provided more info that I couldn't and perhaps the kid wasn't proactive enough, who knows. I just know his mother was frustrated. And, of course it is certainly not limited to RU.There is no such thing as a physical therapy major. You need to go to 3 years of post grad PT school to get a DPT degree to practice physical therapy. Maybe he was an exercise science major. I was an exercise science major and it's true that many of the classes were extremely full and filled up fast and it is a credit intensive major. However, I was able to finish in 4 years with 2 minors by taking summer classes at my community college and had AP credits which let me sign up for classes a day earlier than most of my peers. While it's true that Rutgers does you no favors with their over saturated classes and advisors who don't really help, as a college student you have every resource yourself to figure it out yourself.
I can see how it is frustrating though. I had multiple encounters in my Rutgers academic career with incompetence from administration and student services.
PSU, Ohio State and Michigan have 100,000 plus attendance at their football games where the season tickets holders are required to donate for the last 40 years...
I laugh when I read posts like this when posters act as if Rutgers did this for free. For the vast majority of students were not given anything from Rutgers. They paid or borrowed thousands for it. It irks me when alumni shame other alumni for not donating money because of this.This thread and the thread about the NJ upper middle class kids has more common than meets the eye. It's not the school, its New Jersey. Kids at all schools have the same issues kids at Rutgers have in getting into classes and getting shitty dorm rooms etc. Yet most of Rutgers grads stay in NJ, the most affluent state in the country, with the best job market in the country, with the best schools in the country, with the best culture in the country, in the most diverse population in the country etc., etc., etc., and can't squeeze a dime out of their pocket in support of the University that helped them get where they are. While kids in many other states freely give back to their alma maters.
How many season ticket holders do we have? Let's say we've sold 30,000 tickets for this year (we have probably sold less). Now let's say the average ticket holder has 4 tickets. That's only 7,500 season ticket accounts. I think it would be generous to say that alumni account for 80% of those tickets. If all these numbers were true (they are only guesses on my part) that would make 6,000 donors related to football tickets. I suspect that actual number is lower.
Rutgers has 460,000 alumni. 8% is 36,800 alumni.
I am not a women, I'm a woman first of all, and maybe because some posters here are just mature adults and are capable of debating others. I didn't complain about RU personally, I have no reason to nor did I discuss PSU in this thread either. This was a discussion about giving to RU and I was relaying something told to me by a parent, who is a friend, with a kid at RU. I live in NJ, so I naturally know quite a few parents and kids who attended or attend RU. Why are you so sensitive and feel the need to point me out? If I told this story as an RU fan It may make you feel better but it doesn't change the narrative. I'm always up cordial debate but If you lash out at me for making a comment ( and I have not bashed RU) I'm going to dish it right back. If you are cordial in your posts, you'll certainly get the same from me. Your condescending posts don't scare me and you may be able to bully your buddies on this board at will, but you don't affect me like that. If my posting bothers you that much, either ignore or have me banned. I'm still going to live my life and do what I do. why don't you do yourself a favor and stop trying to control grown folks on a message board.This. Why do you guys continually debate a women who only comes here to complain about RU or talk about how great PSU is? Ignore her and maybe she will leave like she promised months ago.
You're not really understanding what the main problem is. The reason why kids tend to get locked out of classes isn't because they are naive or overly dependent, it's because of how RU sets up class registration. You have to sign up online on certain days based upon how many credits you have and when the classes open for a credit amount, everybody tries to sign up at the same time and the servers always crash so getting the class you intend on signing up for is a matter of luck. I know tons of people who have been locked out of classes and would wind up taking something they have no interest in or taking classes that aren't towards their major, it has even happened to me but it wasn't crucial for my major. You used to be able to go to Murray and get your schedule done before the online stampede but they stopped allowing that about halfway through my time at RU. Overall, I can definitely understand the lack of funding, the amount of crap students have to go through is ridiculous just to get schedule set up. Maybe those kids in particular were naive and inattentive but you do get screwed over, especially in 400 level classes where the overall class size is much smaller than normal.Ugh. I can't fathom this type of anecdote being anything more than whiny parents making excused for their childrens' f-ups. The student is responsible for their schedule. It is possible to graduate in four years. Most of us have done it. If you want to do it, and you're committed to making it happen, it can happen. This is college -- the student is responsible. Maybe that means you have to take a Friday class. Or an 8am class at some point. But it's doable. My parents would have laughed in my face if I told them "RU duped me into a fifth year...blame them."
Sorry SC, this is a bunch of bull. My kids just graduated this year and two years ago. None of their friends had to take another year because of the mythical RU Screw.You're not really understanding what the main problem is. The reason why kids tend to get locked out of classes isn't because they are naive or overly dependent, it's because of how RU sets up class registration. You have to sign up online on certain days based upon how many credits you have and when the classes open for a credit amount, everybody tries to sign up at the same time and the servers always crash so getting the class you intend on signing up for is a matter of luck. I know tons of people who have been locked out of classes and would wind up taking something they have no interest in or taking classes that aren't towards their major, it has even happened to me but it wasn't crucial for my major. You used to be able to go to Murray and get your schedule done before the online stampede but they stopped allowing that about halfway through my time at RU. Overall, I can definitely understand the lack of funding, the amount of crap students have to go through is ridiculous just to get schedule set up. Maybe those kids in particular were naive and inattentive but you do get screwed over, especially in 400 level classes where the overall class size is much smaller than normal.
The campaign ran over a number of years. I believe the 8% is an annual number. So it's possible that 16% gave to the campaign, but never more than 8% in a particular year.
I laugh when I read posts like this when posters act as if Rutgers did this for free. For the vast majority of students were not given anything from Rutgers. They paid or borrowed thousands for it. It irks me when alumni shame other alumni for not donating money because of this.
I actually transferred to RU after getting my Associate's at my local CC. I am one of 4 children and for a while my parents had 2 children in college at the same time (I'm their 2nd). They needed a way to save and saw that I had my eye on RU. Simplest way was to go to CC (which my aunt conveniently worked at so she could answer all of our questions) and have my credits transfer over.
do you think this is an RU only issue? I went to a college with only 2000 students and we had similar issues.You're not really understanding what the main problem is. The reason why kids tend to get locked out of classes isn't because they are naive or overly dependent, it's because of how RU sets up class registration. You have to sign up online on certain days based upon how many credits you have and when the classes open for a credit amount, everybody tries to sign up at the same time and the servers always crash so getting the class you intend on signing up for is a matter of luck. I know tons of people who have been locked out of classes and would wind up taking something they have no interest in or taking classes that aren't towards their major, it has even happened to me but it wasn't crucial for my major. You used to be able to go to Murray and get your schedule done before the online stampede but they stopped allowing that about halfway through my time at RU. Overall, I can definitely understand the lack of funding, the amount of crap students have to go through is ridiculous just to get schedule set up. Maybe those kids in particular were naive and inattentive but you do get screwed over, especially in 400 level classes where the overall class size is much smaller than normal.
Yes, if I thought there story was complete bull I would call out a Rutgers fan as well. Cordial? The next time you post something positive about anything RU will be your first. I'm not sensitive, I've never taken one class at RU and I don't care that it takes lazy kids 5 years to graduate. However, I do care about JOPA trolls infesting our boards ........I am not a women, I'm a woman first of all, and maybe because some posters here are just mature adults and are capable of debating others. I didn't complain about RU personally, I have no reason to nor did I discuss PSU in this thread either. This was a discussion about giving to RU and I was relaying something told to me by a parent, who is a friend, with a kid at RU. I live in NJ, so I naturally know quite a few parents and kids who attended or attend RU. Why are you so sensitive and feel the need to point me out? If I told this story as an RU fan It may make you feel better but it doesn't change the narrative. I'm always up cordial debate but If you lash out at me for making a comment ( and I have not bashed RU) I'm going to dish it right back. If you are cordial in your posts, you'll certainly get the same from me. Your condescending posts don't scare me and you may be able to bully your buddies on this board at will, but you don't affect me like that. If my posting bothers you that much, either ignore or have me banned. I'm still going to live my life and do what I do. why don't you do yourself a favor and stop trying to control grown folks on a message board.
You're not really understanding what the main problem is. The reason why kids tend to get locked out of classes isn't because they are naive or overly dependent, it's because of how RU sets up class registration. You have to sign up online on certain days based upon how many credits you have and when the classes open for a credit amount, everybody tries to sign up at the same time and the servers always crash so getting the class you intend on signing up for is a matter of luck. I know tons of people who have been locked out of classes and would wind up taking something they have no interest in or taking classes that aren't towards their major, it has even happened to me but it wasn't crucial for my major. You used to be able to go to Murray and get your schedule done before the online stampede but they stopped allowing that about halfway through my time at RU. Overall, I can definitely understand the lack of funding, the amount of crap students have to go through is ridiculous just to get schedule set up. Maybe those kids in particular were naive and inattentive but you do get screwed over, especially in 400 level classes where the overall class size is much smaller than normal.
Back in the day we had to wait in extremely long lines at "Add/Drop", which was held in the College Avenue Gym for 2-3 days. I don't consider that a "screw" because it's just how things had to be done. The web based system used today sounds like a dream come true to me.
I appreciate your feedback but it was not the mother who "wrote this". I was relaying something a mother told me. So I understand your experience was positive with both of your kids and that is, of course, the ideal situation, but I doubt you can speak for ALL students and parents at RU. Basically what you are saying is that if other parents did not have the experience you did as a parent, it is b.s. and on them? Since when does one situation fit all--anywhere? I mentioned nothing about the mythical RU Screw because as I've stated before, I'm unfamiliar with it.Sorry SC, this is a bunch of bull. My kids just graduated this year and two years ago. None of their friends had to take another year because of the mythical RU Screw.
It is so easy now to get your schedule set up with the websites they have set up. You can make up to 5 schedule options before it is time to register. The more credits you have the earlier you get to go online and register. ie. Seniors get first priority. Are there some classes that you might get locked out of, yes. But as I have heard from a lot of students, take your butt over to the professor and ask if you can join the class. Most of the time they let you in.
As some one posted, if you do not graduate on time it is on you, plain and simple. My kids knew there was no option to do five years. They checked every semester ahead of time what classes they needed and what ones in the future and where they were in process of fullfilling their major, actually a webiste for that also.
Like a cartoon out there about teachers, one side from 30 years ago is parents yelling at their kids because they had bad grades, the other side from today parents yelling at their teacher becuase their kids had bad grades. Sounds like this mother who wrote this.
Anyone that got financial aid should be donating.FYI, per Rutgers Financial Aid Website, approx 80% of RU students receive some type of financial aid (either from the school, state, public and private scholarships, federals grants, etc...).
I have spoken positive about RU and one of my first posts was about my experience at the RU game in September. Re-read if you need to. I have no reason to speak negatively about RU, it's players, coaches or staff, I can't say the same for some RU fans about PSU, but it is what it is. I've also said several times on this board on different topics that I know RU students who absolutely love the school and that is fact. And to call me a JOPA troll only shows you haven't been paying attention to my posts in the first place because I never even bring it up. That "lazy" kid's parents are paying thousands in tuition and thus have a vested interest in RU that goes beyond being a fan of football, but thank you for responding.Yes, if I thought there story was complete bull I would call out a Rutgers fan as well. Cordial? The next time you post something positive about anything RU will be your first. I'm not sensitive, I've never taken one class at RU and I don't care that it takes lazy kids 5 years to graduate. However, I do care about JOPA trolls infesting our boards ........