FB Recruiting A look at Rutgers scholarship quarterbacks during the Rivals era
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Hart did get a nice piece of NIL for college athletes before we had “NIL”
I o longer break down individual IL play like I used to be able to. When Kevin was playing, we sat after every game on a 92 inch screen and we would discuss the call, responsibility, what he saw pre snap etc.
I got good enough where I could have a good idea for all the OL on the naked play.
I used to do this for a couple of years after but it is just too much work. Plus, hate to say it- I just haven’t seen the level of IL being played here anymore that makes me even be able to compare to Kev/AD/Zuttah/Sosa
No, you said he accumulated those stats over 4 years, insinuating that he was the full time starter for those 4 years. He really had 2 full years (2003, 2004), a scrub year his freshman year (2002), and a little over half a year his senior year (2005) due to injury.
I never insunated he was the starter all 4 years , because I knew he wasn’t the starter all 4 years. I can’t remember having a QB that started every game all 4 years. Maybe Scott Erney got close ??
Here is the thing with GW- he just needs the game to slow down for him and…he needs the green light.
I’ll go back to Nova- most of his time before Fridge, we had no backup for him- he was held back in which he was told he could scramble if needed but never cross the LOS with the ball in his hand. And we saw some of the worst plays ever by a QB. I knew he had it in his head not to cross the LOS with the ball as he looked apices if he did.
Fridge told him to do what he had to do- and we got his senior year.
GW needs to be given the green light and don’t hold him back.
He gas it or he doesn’t.
That's ironic given that he had a penchant for being called for throwing an illegal forward pass, i.e., throwing the ball after crossing the LOS. That and the intentional grounding calls continued through his junior year: Fridge fixed that. Hard to believe Nova had a dedicated QB coach (Spence) his sophomore and junior years.
The closest in the Schiano era were Teel and Nova: each had 3 full years as a starter, plus split time starting their freshman years. Nova split time equally with Dodd in 2011; Teel got about a third of the snaps in 2005 while filling in for an injured Hart.
Yes, of course I know that . A board legend would . I am trying to figure out the last time we had a guy that started pretty much every game for 4 years.
Mcmahon didn’t start until second half of freshman year . Lucas split time with fortay his first 2 seasons . We got to go way back
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Kinda make one wonder why one spends time following this team...
Think about it- everytime he crossed that LIS with the ball in his hand- it was like he panicked.
What was it.. at Vandy (a decent Vandy team) where Hart went nuts and showed what was possible when all goes well? Late in the season too, IIRC.. so players were well-practiced by then
Hart completed 31 of 40 passes for 344 yards and two touchdowns
Leonard scored four touchdowns and we win 37-34. Tres Moses was a monster.. best hands.. and we have had a few great-hands guys.
Need the coaching and development and offensive identity to take a bigger step forward.
that was a great game, remember it well! wish we had a link to watch again!
loved Hart, if only he had a stronger arm, he'd of been very special
Throw in Tom Savage/Chase Dodd in 2010 for the beating they took when KC and his Sunshine Band decided to go spread offense without the proper personnel on the OL.
Shawn Tucker was another one with great hands, but his career ended after tearing up his knee in the 4th quarter of the Howard game in 2006. Was never the same after that.
The list of underprotected QBs at RU is a long one. I just specifically remember Hart constantly standing in the pocket, throwing the ball at the last instant before a Defender hit him crown of the helmet to his chin seemingly all the time.
Yeah, our OL was so thin that we convinced Duffy with his bad knees to stay for a 6th year and had a FB (Pilch) playing center.
I don't think anyone ever got it as bad as McMahon, poor kid entered the nfl with ptsd
@Richard Schnyderite in your report, the hyperlink for DC Jefferson points to the stat page for some Tennessee basketball player named DJ Jefferson.
It's like watching game film the day after getting ragdolled.
And then he played for the hapless Detroit Lions. From the frying pan into the fire.
He had a great quote at the time: "They expect us to be Princeton Monday - Friday and Ohio St. on Saturday." I guess Notre Dame on Sunday.
Sadly they both had about the same QB stats at Rutgers.
Don't forget that Flood was Co-OC in charge of the run game for 2009 and 2010. I often contend that the Syracuse game in 2009 exposed that pathetic offensive "system" for all of 2010. It was so simple to blitz at teh spot 5 yards behind center to find.. either a QB whose back was to the LOS after snap turning around to try to pass, not seeing the rush or receivers or coverage.. or the RB just waiting there for the QB to reach him to hand off. Just pathetic. I believe it was zappaa here early in 2009 who said.. just let the OL fire out and run people over.
I was actually gonna quote his post and tag you. Looking forward to what you have to say.
I suspect there was a contention between the CO-OCs... if KC really wanted a pro-style pass-oriented offense where every down looks like pass-blocking then I guess the run-game CO-OC had little choice but to try to come up with runs that did not tip off the D that it was a running play. Like you see in the NFL all the time since the mid 2000s or perhaps earlier.
The problem was, and is, that COLLEGE offenses do not get to practice as much as they like.. as much as needed to make such an offense work. And you need talent relatively equal to your competition.. and QBs and WRs of NFL level or near it.. to run precise routes.. to always be on the same page as the QB so that a WR or TE can make a hot read on a blitz and the QB knows where the receivers will be without thinking. OH.. and be ACCURATE and QUICK with pace on the ball. And the ball must be caught.. every time or damn near every time. Rutgers could not be anywhere near that level. It was a stupid offense to attempt... imo.
In the NFL this year just look at Tompa Bay and Las Vegas and even the Packers to find QBs making reads that the receivers do not read. Pisses them off... and they fail.
One thing everyone needs to understand with “co OC” the difference between being OL Coach in 2008 and Co OC in 2009 was exactly zero.
It was 100% a title for a pay bump for the great job he had been doing and to keep him here.
He did nothing different from one year to the next except, try to figure out a blocking scheme for the new offense along with having an injured center and a shitty interior OL…
Is that 100% certain? I guess it makes some sense. In 2009.. before Marone at Syracuse figured it out, the O did work a bit.. as long as teams respected the concept that they couldn't tell if it was run/pass because the OL looked like pass-block every down. but once they all saw the Syracuse game tape... very few respected the look in 2010.
in some response- as I stated above- KF's duties from 08(OL Coach) and 09(CO-OC) did not change at all. it was a title and cash only to keep him here. But this is straight from his players in his positional group. He was still just the OL Coach.
But in 09- if you recall- the plan was to have Natali start and he would have been much more suited to the offense KC wanted to run. Once he shat the bed- we had a tru freshman statue as our QB and had to figure out something- and that is where the Sand package came in- JM was actually a very good RB for us that year as well and if we didn't have to go with the San package, he would have been well over 1000 on the ground. And surprisingly- he would have been very good in the KC scheme. Super fast RB with good hands who could block and get tough yds when needed. Most people do not realize he was pretty much the fastest guy on the team not named Brown.
So- now, we had TS- great arm if given time. But very inexperienced and had no pocket feel. OL used to call him the sack maker. The OL had 2 great bookend OT's- a very experienced Center but Ryan was injured as well as sick all year. Most games, when on the sideline, you could find him throwing up somewhere. And the OG's played horrible.Some of that hidden because the OT's really were that good and C very experienced. you would often find either Ryan or one of the OT's tapping one of the OG's on the hip just before the snap to tell them what direction they had to block.
And, these guys were all trying to learn a completely new blocking scheme. Instead of KC making the change to fit his personal after Dom was no longer QB and we had a statue- he insisted to keep going with his plan.
As for the game in the dome- it was almost as if they new every play before it was called. And we never made adjustments. OL players came out of that game pissed at coaching. Not Flood but KC/GS. Not only did they feel it lost the game but made each of them look horrible.
And somehow- we still came up with 9 wins that year.
Never quite sure- also don’t remember if 09 was the year the team had the flu for most of the year. It was either 08 or 09. I believe Kevin played one game with over a 103 temp. No one told us until after…my wife went ballistic on Schiano
The Cincinnati game in '06 had a good part of the offense dealing with a stomach virus.
Just close your eyes and picture the typical play from 2009-2010.
QB under center takes snap. He immediately turns his back to the LOS and drops back to a stationary and waiting RB who will either get the ball and try to run or have to block or go out for the outlet pass as the QB turns around and tries to read where his receivers are and what the coverage is.
MEANWHILE.. the OL immediately stands up and takes a step back as if pass-blocking with the typical zone-blocking scheme of turning the DL/LB rush to open the holes rather than pushing them out of the way.
This was an absolutely crazy scheme. All the defense had to do was send anyone.. a crashing DE or OLB to that hand-off point to disrupt.. run or pass.. it didn't mater because there was no price to pay for not having an LB in coverage as teh QB never saw him coming with his back to the LOS. So even if a TE or WR spotted the vacated LB hole in coverage and went there.. the QB would not be able to make the read before getting hit.
NO ONE on the offense was served with that plan. Not the OL.. not the QB.. not the RB nor any receivers. Any success required the cooperation of the defense.. that is.. to actually READ the play and REACT rather than plan to disrupt the whole system.
That GS took so long to see this in 2010.. that he had not scouted his own team like an opposing DC... especially after the 2009 Syracuse game... it is just crazy. I think he did eventually do that.. BEFORE the 2010 Syracuse game because we came out with a completely different offense in that game (a close loss.. O was too conservative). But it was like that game was a one-off adjustment to not allow what happened in 2009 to repeat. That he did not see that most of the opponents in 2010 tried to duplicate Syracuse' D gameplan from 2009... definitely a stain on his record imho.
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