Or is it we don’t run one.
What is it?
Stone looked like a pretty well organized team that actually ran sets and cut to the basket
What is it?
Stone looked like a pretty well organized team that actually ran sets and cut to the basket
Anemic offense…
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Having one of them is better than neither.
“What we lack in talent, we make up for by…….”
Coaches can't make layups for the players......there's also "overpassing".....the 1st or 2nd available shot available, isn't being taken and results in a turnover or bad offense.
Onto Ohio State and Iowa.
Onto Ohio State and Iowa.
You know things are bad when Hawk makes such a short post.
This is all on Pike at this point. He is the man in charge and he clearly does not prioritize offense nor hold these guys to a strict standard when it comes to shooting. His teams are year-in and year-out abysmal at layups, FT’s and open 3’s. This many years in a row is indicative that it’s the coach. You take in the coach’s persona and it’s too much of a trend.
Our guards do seem to have lost their confidence in passing up their initial shot, but can't really say I blame them?
Not really sure but we rely on just chucking up mid range or 3pts on that side of the ball and we DO NOT have accurate shooters.
So much standing around and not enough driving to the basket looking for Cliff. Its very bad but this is the way our offense has been over the years it seems outside of passing to Cliff.
Simpson baffles me as he always gets past his defender but then decides to just pull up for the mid range rather than taking it to the basket in a 2 on 1. He is a shoot first guard and that needs to change.
Gavin still remains a mystery....what are we doing with him?? Is he just bad or do we just not have an offensive scheme?
So much standing around and not enough driving to the basket looking for Cliff. Its very bad but this is the way our offense has been over the years it seems outside of passing to Cliff.
Simpson baffles me as he always gets past his defender but then decides to just pull up for the mid range rather than taking it to the basket in a 2 on 1. He is a shoot first guard and that needs to change.
Gavin still remains a mystery....what are we doing with him?? Is he just bad or do we just not have an offensive scheme?
I am not a prisoner of the moment or irrational overreacting about one game.
I am confident about where the program is going and how recruiting is going.
It doesn't take much of an evaluation to see or know there's a lack of offensive skill or talent on the roster. But I am not overly concerned, the roster is being revamped for future seasons and this is that process, where you don't have a lot of pieces in place, that can play faster. Backcourt can, the front court, not so much.
Gavin has been really bad but it’s frustrating when some of the starters play as lazy as they did in the first half and there are no repercussions, while others get their time cut.
Rarely have I seen a coach criticize his team for settling down into a rhythm and not rushing shots
A street ball looking offense with seemingly no purpose or plan isn’t preparing anyone for anything.
We may only get one season with top players next year.
Wasn't meant as a shot at you. I think your point all along has been quicker more athletic guards are the way forward. But there has to be skill and basketball iq too.
The inability to run an offense …obvious lack of passing … can’t really shoot… Gavin Griffiths looks lost in the offense…. Guards are not B1G quality… I love Pikiell but we be in big trouble. I was hoping we could win 17-18 this year but if we somehow manage 15 I’ll be happy… Gavin seems to be playing with little energy …
"Backcourt can"... sure Simpson can move fast with the basketball but he is not in control. These guards cant play fast or slow. If Davis doesn't play this backcourt cannot play fast..
Gavin no confidence on offense but he was active today. 4 rebounds 3rd on the team
I'm not worried about it, quite honestly the roster as it's built, isn't climbing too far away from a 60PPG range.
I am surprised Fernandes is passing up driving opportunities and shots.
But, for all the Simpson critics in the last week, he at least decided to keep shooting and it paid off with a game winning 3 pointer. That's something that with today's debacle, you can take and learn from, if you are Simpson.
Our guard play has to pick it up and we need better shooting up front to help add offense. The problem with that is, our 2 better offensive players (Davis and Gavin), don't have many minutes to help this lineup, if you are subbing them in for Fernandes or Simpson.
I would swap out Mag and add Griffiths, and space the floor with 3 guards (Gavin plus 2), Hyatt and Cliff. Right now, we simply aren't getting much production out of Mag on offense, defense or rebounding. There's really no other lineups I can see adding offense, unless you make that change.
It’s pretty simple. Our roster is terribly constructed and we have a full roster of players who can’t finish at the basket. The offense is designed to have some penetration, but I think our guys are afraid to take it to the rim because of how poorly they finish. We’re simply not taking what opposing defenses are giving us. And with Davis out it was magnified by 100x because he’s the only guard with balls who can shake off a miss and not let it get to him. There’s zero mental toughness on this team and once we start going bad it spirals out of control. In fact, I’d say our biggest leader is Palm and that should tell you everything you need to know. This is also what happens when your whole staff are recruiters. I’d be surprised if Jay Young wasn’t back in some capacity next season.
He ‘s not playing with any confidence. A frosh should not have to be the main focus. Did Williams/ Williams play at all?
Definitely agree. It's more important to develop Gavin for the future at this point in the season.
J will is not playing. If he does get activated you will know. A Will played and was 2/3
Well that's great that you've basically written off this season as just a transitional type of year, with all of the talent coming next year.
But most of us want to win and make the NCAA tournament EVERY YEAR, and we're pissed that this year looks to be a complete washout.
How can you be so blase about the utter abomination we've been witnessing on the court in just about every game this year?
Pike’s philosophy is defense and rebounding and let your playmakers make things happen on offense. Unfortunately, this year rebounding sucks and we don’t have the playmakers. This formula can work, but our talent level is so bad this year that it can’t be overcome. This is the worst offense for a guy like Gavin who is not a freelancer and would really benefit from an actual offense.
Exactly. Cliff didn't come back planning on this being a throw away season
You also can't put all your eggs in the developmental basket in the portal era. Who knows how many of these players will even be on the roster next season
In the portal era especially you can reload every single season if you want to be a top program
The only lock for next season on the roster right now is Davis IMO... and J Will
Torvik,
Lafayette 53 Rutgers 51, OEff 70.0 DEff 84.4, dropped 21 places, 77 to 98
Rutgers 59 Stonehill 58, OEff 77.8, DEff 93.9, dropped 22 places, 80 to 102
Rutgers vs Lafayette, 2pt 12-30, 3pt 4-26 FT 15-23
Rutgers vs Stonehill, 2pt 11-34, 3pt 5-28 FT 22-35
I'd still take the W over the L, as bad as it was.
Not sure what the solution is. Simpson and JMike are our best assist% guys, they have to eat the 40 minutes at lead guard. I wish we had a better option at the 2G than an undersized 2G, Noah, and Austin Williams, who is an undersized Wing. I wish JWill was available because our backcourt is a mess with a second year Derek, and 12 games in a Rutgers uniform, Noah, JMike and Austin.
Lafayette 53 Rutgers 51, OEff 70.0 DEff 84.4, dropped 21 places, 77 to 98
Rutgers 59 Stonehill 58, OEff 77.8, DEff 93.9, dropped 22 places, 80 to 102
Rutgers vs Lafayette, 2pt 12-30, 3pt 4-26 FT 15-23
Rutgers vs Stonehill, 2pt 11-34, 3pt 5-28 FT 22-35
I'd still take the W over the L, as bad as it was.
Not sure what the solution is. Simpson and JMike are our best assist% guys, they have to eat the 40 minutes at lead guard. I wish we had a better option at the 2G than an undersized 2G, Noah, and Austin Williams, who is an undersized Wing. I wish JWill was available because our backcourt is a mess with a second year Derek, and 12 games in a Rutgers uniform, Noah, JMike and Austin.
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Will you finally admit the narrative you spread all off season that pike pushed cam and Paul off the team and were deeper then ever was made up.
The mods and insiders already said it wasn't true but you continued to push the narrative.
It’s obvious that narrative is over with, anyone with eyes that has watched this team can see it. IF THEY SOMEHOW TURNED THE SEASON AROUND, they still have not given us any indication through 12 games that we should have foreseen a miraculous recovery coming from them. We’re not deeper, we can’t shoot, can’t score, we don’t play faster, we’re not pushing 80 PPG like we heard about, etc…..
I haven't written off this season at all. I think there's value in the next 2 to 3 months of play.
But the question is "how do you improve the offense", I would add minutes for Davis and Griffiths and cut down the minutes of Fernandes and Mag.
There's nothing wrong from a basketball perspective with that change, you can still win games and make the NCAAs this year.
But I am also fully aware of how last year went and although the team, in theory, was close to making the NCAAs, it was much closer to being 7-13 in the B1G vs 10-10.....or closer to being 16-15 or 15-16 vs 18-13 overall.
We have to be objective about what we have seen for the last year and now 12 games, there's a station to station offense, because the forwards can't drive and score and the forwards are spot up/stationary players. The guards on the other hand, should have more assists and ability to get points for the offense in transition, but that's not where Mag, Palmquist, Hyatt, Chol or Woolfolk are best suited.
The forwards on the way next year (Bailey, Dortch and Dylan Grant) are much more swift, quick and elevate to play with the ball and score.....add to that Sommerville and he's a mobile 5, who can space the floor.
This team can win games this year, but everyone has to be healthy and someone has to help be a 3rd scorer or 4th scorer at 10 to 12PPG. I think Simpson or Davis can be one of those players, the only other player on the floor, who isn't a scorer, is Mag......
Mag (to me) is better suited in a 6th to 7th man role, on a NCAA caliber roster, asking him to be a 10 to 12PPG, 7 to 8 rebound guy, is asking too much. There's a 75% chance (to me) that Griffiths can get to that point in 1 or 2 months, before Mag ever reaches that milestone.
I only watched the 2nd half but stone hill was playing against a man vs a zone hence more movement. We consistently got very good looks. At some point you need to make a shot. We don’t have a lot of margin for error because our guards are not effective penetrating the defense.
The mods already told you multiple times, Mulcahy was having his minutes reduced, he hit the portal, realized he didn't he had the market value he did and ultimately didnt want to leave and go all the way to Washington.....and the staff/players declined to bring him back. How many times does this have to be stated for you to digest??
In terms of Spencer, he is a non factor IMO in terms or short or long term value. Anyone with a clue, would see what Davis, Simpson bring from a defensive standpoint. Those players are part of the long-term plan, Spencer is a short term rental.
If RU was closer to 20 to 21 wins last year, I would have a different point of view. But seeing last season results for all 4 months, investing 32 minutes a game in Spencer, wasn't worth it.....there's better ways to invest NIL money than Cam Spencer, which is why he went to UConn. He has a right to get as much money as possible. I don't think you or others quite comprehend, that decisions and things are bigger than just 1 season.
Miss Cam’s shooting immensely. Surely could have used him this year. Odd commentary.
Miss Paul getting the ball to Cliff.
The Simpson bashing is odd.
Granted shooting percentage wasn’t great today but 14 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists and a clutch three to win the game. Don’t know why everyone ganging up on him. He still has plenty of potential. Only player who makes his own shot.
Plenty of blame to go around. Know Mag gets a pass due to injury but 1 for 9 from the field and more importantly only 3 rebounds is a major problem. Ruins the Mag narrative but hurt us today.
Fernandes can’t disappear. Woolfolk disappeared too. Kept hearing Choi is this great shooter but keeps getting chances and nothing.
Thought the Oskar shot where he flashed to top of the key was nice. Not enough of that.
Do we run any picks? Back doors, plays for Gavin?
Hyatt is Hyatt, good shots but missing them. More concerned with weird angles he takes when driving baseline. Can see shots not going in before even takes shot. Should be facing backboard more.
AWilliams has to hit layups.
Gotta run set plays for Gavin. He’s rushing shots without feet set. Think he needs confidence boost. Still glad he’s not shy but hope he starts hitting shots.
Miss Paul getting the ball to Cliff.
The Simpson bashing is odd.
Granted shooting percentage wasn’t great today but 14 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists and a clutch three to win the game. Don’t know why everyone ganging up on him. He still has plenty of potential. Only player who makes his own shot.
Plenty of blame to go around. Know Mag gets a pass due to injury but 1 for 9 from the field and more importantly only 3 rebounds is a major problem. Ruins the Mag narrative but hurt us today.
Fernandes can’t disappear. Woolfolk disappeared too. Kept hearing Choi is this great shooter but keeps getting chances and nothing.
Thought the Oskar shot where he flashed to top of the key was nice. Not enough of that.
Do we run any picks? Back doors, plays for Gavin?
Hyatt is Hyatt, good shots but missing them. More concerned with weird angles he takes when driving baseline. Can see shots not going in before even takes shot. Should be facing backboard more.
AWilliams has to hit layups.
Gotta run set plays for Gavin. He’s rushing shots without feet set. Think he needs confidence boost. Still glad he’s not shy but hope he starts hitting shots.
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This obviously is not remotely close to true. We had 1 win straight stolen from us by the refs where the B1G had to offer an apology. We would have obviously won more games if it wasn't for injuries as well
Imagine how detached from reality you have to be to think Cam Spencer has no short term value 🤣... especially after today's game... just give it up already and take the L on Spencer. He's obviously a very good basketball player
Fernandes minutes need to go elsewhere. That UMass buzzer beater wasn’t the prelude Pike expected
Not to mention we lost the Minnesota game in unfathomable fashion.
You can have a career and never be involved in game where an opposing team makes the shots they made in the last minute
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