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Are Bowls Dying?

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Does anyone else feel like the death of the Bowl model is accelerating? It wasn't materially impacted by the BCS or even the playoff. But with the portal / transfer rules, players sitting out, and the playoff expanding to 12 next year, I feel like traditional bowls will continue to die a slow death.

It's a shame too but I feel like that's the reality. It won't disappear, but the games will be filled with asterisks around who played and didn't.

Not with a bang, but a whimper
 
Yes.

All of CFB is dying.



PAYWALL SO:

The Year College Football Ate Itself

After months of maneuvering and spending—farewell, Pac 12; hello $75 million for Jimbo Fisher—it’s impossible to pretend it’s anything but another ruthless business

I will indulge reasonable arguments to the contrary, but only one event deserves to be called the biggest sports story of 2023.

This is the year college football ate itself...

What happened in college football in 2023 will reverberate for decades, and probably forever.

Denial has died, and the myth has left town on a Gulfstream 800. College football’s stubborn delusion that it was something apart and elevated from professional sports—an activity less about dollars than about tradition, loyalty and (laugh track) amateurism—hopped on a jet from the West Coast and flew east for better deals with deeper pockets...

The money’s been around for eons, as have eager sponsors, surrogates, pushy boosters and middle men feeding under-the-table money to athletes capable of tilting the field. It has long been true that the top-paid state employee in most U.S. states isn’t a governor or university president, but the head football coach.

In recent years, however, the money got too extreme to laugh off or ignore—the lavish salaries of head coaches, assistant coaches, assistants to the assistants, strength czars, nutritionists and specialists, to say nothing of the training facilities that would make Knute Rockne feel like he’d been beamed to the Year 3000...

Television deals have swelled from millions to billions, and we know all about it, because schools brag about it, and the business of college sports has evolved into a sport of its own. At the same time, the tumult of the transfer portal and the nascent economy of name, image and likeness (NIL) have made it clear there’s a robust paying market for college athletes.

It’s right in our faces. No one even tries to shame or deny it anymore. The NCAA, facing growing antitrust scrutiny, is finally rushing in with a proposal for paying players and it all feels a little insincere and very behind...

We’re approaching a seismic new chapter, and yet the field feels fragile. The NCAA, slow to everything, is laying the groundwork for a “super league” approach, with the biggest, best-funded schools breaking away from the lesser-funded riff raff to create their own system. Television networks—the hands behind the curtains here—will surely want a say in who makes the cut. Feelings are sure to get hurt. In any reorganization, low-rated schools are going to get dropped.

I’m probably a hopeless naif, but maybe there’s opportunity here—for the craziest schools to run off and for the rest of the colleges and universities to tap the brakes and return to a version of athletics that’s less lucrative, but saner.
 
Does anyone else feel like the death of the Bowl model is accelerating? It wasn't materially impacted by the BCS or even the playoff. But with the portal / transfer rules, players sitting out, and the playoff expanding to 12 next year, I feel like traditional bowls will continue to die a slow death.

It's a shame too but I feel like that's the reality. It won't disappear, but the games will be filled with asterisks around who played and didn't.

Not with a bang, but a whimper
I sadly agree.
 
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Yes.

All of CFB is dying.



PAYWALL SO:

The Year College Football Ate Itself

After months of maneuvering and spending—farewell, Pac 12; hello $75 million for Jimbo Fisher—it’s impossible to pretend it’s anything but another ruthless business

I will indulge reasonable arguments to the contrary, but only one event deserves to be called the biggest sports story of 2023.

This is the year college football ate itself...

What happened in college football in 2023 will reverberate for decades, and probably forever.

Denial has died, and the myth has left town on a Gulfstream 800. College football’s stubborn delusion that it was something apart and elevated from professional sports—an activity less about dollars than about tradition, loyalty and (laugh track) amateurism—hopped on a jet from the West Coast and flew east for better deals with deeper pockets...

The money’s been around for eons, as have eager sponsors, surrogates, pushy boosters and middle men feeding under-the-table money to athletes capable of tilting the field. It has long been true that the top-paid state employee in most U.S. states isn’t a governor or university president, but the head football coach.

In recent years, however, the money got too extreme to laugh off or ignore—the lavish salaries of head coaches, assistant coaches, assistants to the assistants, strength czars, nutritionists and specialists, to say nothing of the training facilities that would make Knute Rockne feel like he’d been beamed to the Year 3000...

Television deals have swelled from millions to billions, and we know all about it, because schools brag about it, and the business of college sports has evolved into a sport of its own. At the same time, the tumult of the transfer portal and the nascent economy of name, image and likeness (NIL) have made it clear there’s a robust paying market for college athletes.

It’s right in our faces. No one even tries to shame or deny it anymore. The NCAA, facing growing antitrust scrutiny, is finally rushing in with a proposal for paying players and it all feels a little insincere and very behind.

If you needed an extra exclamation point on this year’s absurdity, Texas A&M decided to fire its head football coach, Jimbo Fisher, giving him a $75 million parting gift for his trouble.

It was a signal of how cuckoo things have gotten. Some dude is now going to be paid $75 million to not coach college football...

We’re approaching a seismic new chapter, and yet the field feels fragile. The NCAA, slow to everything, is laying the groundwork for a “super league” approach, with the biggest, best-funded schools breaking away from the lesser-funded riff raff to create their own system. Television networks—the hands behind the curtains here—will surely want a say in who makes the cut. Feelings are sure to get hurt. In any reorganization, low-rated schools are going to get dropped.

I’m probably a hopeless naif, but maybe there’s opportunity here—for the craziest schools to run off and for the rest of the colleges and universities to tap the brakes and return to a version of athletics that’s less lucrative, but saner.

Sanity is worth considering. After a year in which college football ate itself, it will feel like a polite burp. "
College football has always been semipro
 
Does anyone else feel like the death of the Bowl model is accelerating? It wasn't materially impacted by the BCS or even the playoff. But with the portal / transfer rules, players sitting out, and the playoff expanding to 12 next year, I feel like traditional bowls will continue to die a slow death.

It's a shame too but I feel like that's the reality. It won't disappear, but the games will be filled with asterisks around who played and didn't.

Not with a bang, but a whimper
We will see. Football and something to bet on will ajways draw interest
 
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It will quickly become only bowls supporting the CFB playoffs, plus a few others significant enough that they can turn a profit. The rest just doesn't work in this world anymore
 
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I think it would be rare for a school to turn down a bowl bid with the current D1 structure. Those 15 practices will not be turned down by coaches. Plus conferences will want their bowl slots filled.

If there are no ratings/sponsors the bids will go away imo.
There are 43 bowls for 86 teams and thats more than half of P5 (130 teams) .
A lot of bowl creep the last years and most of them are very missable.
I used to watch any bowl that was on and now I'm down to a half dozen every year
 
If there are no ratings/sponsors the bids will go away imo.
There are 43 bowls for 86 teams and thats more than half of P5 (130 teams) .
A lot of bowl creep the last years and most of them are very missable.
I used to watch any bowl that was on and now I'm down to a half dozen every year
The majority of those teams are from the MAC, MWC, Sun Belt{12 teams playing in Bowls}, CUSA, AAC, etc. playing in minor low tier Bowls. Not much interest in these Bowls and Ratings are lower. The NCAA however wants all Conferences to get their ‘fair share’ . Many start up Companies want their Brands attached to Bowl Games and will continue to sponsor these games. Don’t see that changing.
 
If there are no ratings/sponsors the bids will go away imo.
There are 43 bowls for 86 teams and thats more than half of P5 (130 teams) .
A lot of bowl creep the last years and most of them are very missable.
I used to watch any bowl that was on and now I'm down to a half dozen every year

Live sports bring in money as the other poster pointed out. A lot of these match ups aren't too interesting but still make some money.
 
The “opt out” stuff is what is killing bowls. It’s a pretty stupid procedure in its current state and is likely to change, so no not giving up hope yet. They cant do anything immediately but rules will come out because the current process (Transfer portal existing + opening before bowl games + NIL + sit out year rule gone) is a complete disaster for the sport (only good for the players who can take advantage of it, and terrible for everyone else). The inmates run the asylum right now. They make lots of money but its because fans/alumni/donors who pay them and also are the ones watching the games hence driving up the huge TV $$ deals, want to be entertained and see their team win. This is a self-fixing problem, but will take much less time if someone steps in and starts regulating it.
 
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If it wasn't for the destruction of pay for play, I would focus my posts on getting rid of the National Championship. Why? because the other games are being played like they don't care, so most games are garbage to watch now, many used to be a great way to finish a season.
 
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Does anyone else feel like the death of the Bowl model is accelerating? It wasn't materially impacted by the BCS or even the playoff. But with the portal / transfer rules, players sitting out, and the playoff expanding to 12 next year, I feel like traditional bowls will continue to die a slow death.

It's a shame too but I feel like that's the reality. It won't disappear, but the games will be filled with asterisks around who played and didn't.

Not with a bang, but a whimper
Unfortunately they died for me this year, for the reasons you stated. Shame.
 
The bowls aren't going anywhere. I'd like to see the bowls become regionalized four-team tournaments. The "first round" are played on home fields with the winners going onto the "bowl championship". Play the first round two weeks after the end of the regular season and the bowl games occur sometime over ten days from just before Christmas and just after New Year's Day. Maybe this is done for about a dozen bowls.
 
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I've enjoyed the bowl games I've gone to, but they really are meaningless exhibitions. I doubt they're going away because they still do make money, but I really wouldn't miss them at all. I've never been able to get too excited about a game where your season ends whether you win or lose. Rutgers finished 7-6 this year but a Pinstripe Bowl bowl win means far less to me than a win in any of the Big Ten games we lost would have. College football has the most meaningful regular season, but the vast majority of postseason games are completely meaningless since they have nothing at stake.
 
I’ve lost interest in them but I don’t think they’re going anywhere. They are exhibitions but people still watch and they get some ratings. I’d have to see big ratings declines in them to say they’re going away. It’s always possible bowls might start paying players to avoid as many opt outs.
 
Here you go and this is why they’re not dying regardless of whether some fans like myself have lost interest.


Also the 3 bowls the day we played. We drew 3M viewers, the other two bowls had even more.

 
Here you go and this is why they’re not dying regardless of whether some fans like myself have lost interest.


Also the 3 bowls the day we played. We drew 3M viewers, the other two bowls had even more.

Yes its not a Rutgers thing. It's college football during the week where a lot of people are not working.
 
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There have been quite a few very exciting, hard-fought bowls this year... and some duds like that FSU debacle. It is the massive number of opt-outs and transfers that has hurt some of the bowls. I don't know what the fix might be. How do you force someone to play in a game they've decided it is in their best interest to skip?
 
The model is changing for fans, a bit. But for a college team those extra practices are amazing to get for multiple reasons.
 
Draft opt outs are fine. Need to close the portal and the recruiting of portal players until after the national championship
This. Most teams only have a handful of draft opt-outs at most. Portal transfers wreck the bowl games because even the G5 schools are heavily afffected.
 
Depends on how the playoffs are planned. People want to see football during the holiday period. I’ll watch any ACC, Big 12, Big 10 and SEC games if no playoff games are on.

It doesn’t matter about stadiums attendance but TV ratings.
 
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Does anyone else feel like the death of the Bowl model is accelerating? It wasn't materially impacted by the BCS or even the playoff. But with the portal / transfer rules, players sitting out, and the playoff expanding to 12 next year, I feel like traditional bowls will continue to die a slow death.

It's a shame too but I feel like that's the reality. It won't disappear, but the games will be filled with asterisks around who played and didn't.

Not with a bang, but a whimper
Bowls won't die because they get higher TV ratings and viewership than anything else, except the NFL. Bowl viewership blows away college basketball and the NBA.
 
Bowls won't die because they get higher TV ratings and viewership than anything else, except the NFL. Bowl viewership blows away college basketball and the NBA.
Yeah. And also, all of these ten billion networks need content. Tons of us deride the current situation with NIL/opt-outs/transfers, but we still watched our teams in the Bowl Games.

I liked it better when getting to a bowl game was an accomplishment beyond a .500 record, and programs/players cared about winning them. But time (and money) marches on...
 
Yeah. And also, all of these ten billion networks need content. Tons of us deride the current situation with NIL/opt-outs/transfers, but we still watched our teams in the Bowl Games.

I liked it better when getting to a bowl game was an accomplishment beyond a .500 record, and programs/players cared about winning them. But time (and money) marches on...
It's funny that one of the lower tier bowls had one of the highest viewer numbers.

For many teams that are in a rebuilding mode like Rutgers, the additional practice and game experience are with it. Also, the players get to go to a destination, get some swag and have an experience that many teams do not get. Even the Pinstripe Bowl provided several days of events and experiences that were very nice for the players.
 
Here you go and this is why they’re not dying regardless of whether some fans like myself have lost interest.


Also the 3 bowls the day we played. We drew 3M viewers, the other two bowls had even more.

we had a 10% uptick in viewers over last year for the Pinstripe
 
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