Ash breaks with Meyer on recruiting

[HoosierKnight]

Was listening to the bowl press conference and Ash indicated that it would be unprofessional to recruit kids that were already committed to Ohio State.

If I recall that's the way it was with Big 10 schools until Meyer arrived in Columbus. Meyer explicitly stated that he would go after recruits committed to other Big 10 schools in a break with the decorum for the Big 10 schools until Meyer's arrival.

So isn't Ash saying that Meyer's recruiting is unprofessional?

 

[lighty]

It sounded to me like he was talking about this year - while he's still on their staff

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Was listening to the bowl press conference and Ash indicated that it would be unprofessional to recruit kids that were already committed to Ohio State.

If I recall that's the way it was with Big 10 schools until Meyer arrived in Columbus. Meyer explicitly stated that he would go after recruits committed to other Big 10 schools in a break with the decorum for the Big 10 schools until Meyer's arrival.

So isn't Ash saying that Meyer's recruiting is unprofessional?

No. Meyer wasn't working for the other Big 10 teams while recruiting for Ohio State.

 

[RuSnp]

Was listening to the bowl press conference and Ash indicated that it would be unprofessional to recruit kids that were already committed to Ohio State.

If I recall that's the way it was with Big 10 schools until Meyer arrived in Columbus. Meyer explicitly stated that he would go after recruits committed to other Big 10 schools in a break with the decorum for the Big 10 schools until Meyer's arrival.

So isn't Ash saying that Meyer's recruiting is unprofessional?

Huh? Meyer didn't arrive at OSU from those other Big Ten schools. I'm sure he will try to flip those Michigan NJ commits.

 

[RUChoppin]

This is more a professional courtesy while he's in the OSU building, I believe. He's not going to work their existing commit list and try to flip them to Rutgers - he helped recruit a bunch of those guys, I'm sure, and he's not going to try to lure them away now that he's leaving. Anyone who isn't currently committed to OSU is fair game, though.

 

[RUfinal4]

I wonder if there is a gentleman's agreement that he will not go after any recruit that is a high Ohio St target. There are good players (4 and 5 star) in NJ, NY, and PA that Ohio St is recruiting. These are typically kids that Rutgers would reach out to as well.

 

[BigLou]

I wonder if there is a gentleman's agreement that he will not go after any recruit that is a high Ohio St target. There are good players (4 and 5 star) in NJ, NY, and PA that Ohio St is recruiting. These are typically kids that Rutgers would reach out to as well.

Doubtful.

To me he was clear in meaning he would not commit kids verbally committed to OSU, at least until he stops working there. All others are fair game.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I wonder if there is a gentleman's agreement that he will not go after any recruit that is a high Ohio St target. There are good players (4 and 5 star) in NJ, NY, and PA that Ohio St is recruiting. These are typically kids that Rutgers would reach out to as well.

I would seriously doubt it as Meyer certainly has Schiano in Rutgers back yard.
It sounds only that Ash is not going to try to flip any current OSU commits.

 

[Nosoj]

Was listening to the bowl press conference and Ash indicated that it would be unprofessional to recruit kids that were already committed to Ohio State.

If I recall that's the way it was with Big 10 schools until Meyer arrived in Columbus. Meyer explicitly stated that he would go after recruits committed to other Big 10 schools in a break with the decorum for the Big 10 schools until Meyer's arrival.

So isn't Ash saying that Meyer's recruiting is unprofessional?

No.

It sounded to me like he was talking about this year - while he's still on their staff

No. Meyer wasn't working for the other Big 10 teams while recruiting for Ohio State.

Huh? Meyer didn't arrive at OSU from those other Big Ten schools. I'm sure he will try to flip those Michigan NJ commits.

This is more a professional courtesy while he's in the OSU building, I believe. He's not going to work their existing commit list and try to flip them to Rutgers - he helped recruit a bunch of those guys, I'm sure, and he's not going to try to lure them away now that he's leaving. Anyone who isn't currently committed to OSU is fair game, though.

Yes.

I wonder if there is a gentleman's agreement that he will not go after any recruit that is a high Ohio St target. There are good players (4 and 5 star) in NJ, NY, and PA that Ohio St is recruiting. These are typically kids that Rutgers would reach out to as well.

Doubt it.

Doubtful.

To me he was clear in meaning he would not commit kids verbally committed to OSU, at least until he stops working there. All others are fair game.

Exactly the same way I took it.

 

[mdk01]

Doubtful.

To me he was clear in meaning he would not commit kids verbally committed to OSU, at least until he stops working there. All others are fair game.

That sounds right to me.

 

[RU#1fan]

Huh? Meyer didn't arrive at OSU from those other Big Ten schools. I'm sure he will try to flip those Michigan NJ commits.

He should be recruiting any players that can improve and turn around his new program.
Committed anywhere or not.

 

[RU31trap]

I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for ASH!! He's a Rutgers employee but his loyalty still lies with Meyer. WTF is going on? This is why you severe your ties immediately so you can flip committed recruits and go after those on the fence. I have a problem with this and so should the fanbase. This is making us look like a .....

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for ASH!! He's a Rutgers employee but his loyalty still lies with Meyer. WTF is going on? This is why you severe your ties immediately so you can flip committed recruits and go after those on the fence. I have a problem with this and so should the fanbase. This is making us look like a .....

Well I am trying to guess which recruit could be flipped from Ohio State to Rutgers. Umm, there is none. Needless banter as this point.

 

[RUich]

Ash has reached his goal of being a HC. It is probably a realistic assumption that we will not see him retire from Rutgers. It makes sense to not burn bridges that he will most likely be looking to cross in the future.
Besides, it is not like he has landed at a premier top dog in college football. His chances of flipping a top recruit from an iconic program to come to RU is weak at best. Simply not worth the grief.

 

[rurichdog]

In the world of cutthroat recruiting, we land the Boy Scout.

 

[StyleKnight]

I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for ASH!! He's a Rutgers employee but his loyalty still lies with Meyer. WTF is going on? This is why you severe your ties immediately so you can flip committed recruits and go after those on the fence. I have a problem with this and so should the fanbase. This is making us look like a .....

In the world of cutthroat recruiting, we land the Boy Scout.

You guys are ridiculous. So if an OSU commit comes to visit during bowl practices what exactly do you expect Ash to do? Whisper in the recruits ear that Meyer sucks come to NJ?

 

[rurichdog]

You guys are ridiculous. So if an OSU commit comes to visit during bowl practices what exactly do you expect Ash to do? Whisper in the recruits ear that Meyer sucks come to NJ?

That's why you don't keep another team's HC on your staff. Unless you have the one guy who pledges "On my honor, I do solemnly swear..."; then you make him do the laundry & dishes while you bang the new wife in the other room.

 

[ru66]

man do some over and under think

 

[KnightsofChrome]

I first of all respect Ash's stand regarding doing the right thing and staying with his current team into the bowl. It is respect for Meyer, and the kids he has coached for two years. He seems to be handling the conflict fairly well. Now that I have said that, I also believe that the minute that Meyer brought Schiano on board, and he is on board. It was perfectly honorable for Ash, to part way's with Ohio State.
The one thing we do have to take into account is age, and the fact that this is his first Head Coaching gig. A seasoned coach, would have walked away.

 

[jmg75]

Hoosier, I like the guitar. What is it?

 

[RU2055]

You guys are ridiculous with this constant banter regarding Ash staying to coach OSU's bowl game. So, every perceived negative thing will now be blamed on this? Mind you, it's still "perceived". It's not even fact. Would any of the decommitments have been prevented? Would we have a better shot at Rashaun Gary? I guess we missed out on hiring Chip Kelly as OC because Ash was too busy putzing around at OSU. Jeezus H Chrize. Next year, every first down we don't get, every game we lose, every negative thing that happens will be because Ash coached OSU last game.

For all we know, Ash spending time at OSU is increasing our chances with recruits from Ohio that are still available. Don't be surprised to see Texas and Ohio recruits as late additions to the 2016 class.

 

[mildone]

This is more a professional courtesy while he's in the OSU building, I believe. He's not going to work their existing commit list and try to flip them to Rutgers - he helped recruit a bunch of those guys, I'm sure, and he's not going to try to lure them away now that he's leaving. Anyone who isn't currently committed to OSU is fair game, though.

I believe you are correct. And, IMO, it's both ethical and smart.

Trying to flip kids he recruited from OSU to RU would be sleazy and unethical. College football coaching is a relatively small fraternity. Probably wouldn't work out well for his future to be obviously sleazy and unethical at the very start of his first head coaching job.

 

[mildone]

He should be recruiting any players that can improve and turn around his new program.
Committed anywhere or not.

Are you saying you think he should actively attempt to flip kids he recruited to OSU and that are currently committed to OSU?

 

[mildone]

I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for ASH!! He's a Rutgers employee but his loyalty still lies with Meyer. WTF is going on? This is why you severe your ties immediately so you can flip committed recruits and go after those on the fence. I have a problem with this and so should the fanbase. This is making us look like a .....

...program that did a good job in hiring someone ethical?

...program that tries hard not to hire sleazebags?

...fanbase that appreciates honor and integrity in it's coaches?

 

[Akron Buck]

There are alot of kids who tOSU scouted that did not get an offer form us but are being looked at or commited to other B1G schools. Ash may not go after tOSU recruits but these others a fair game. I would bet money that other tOSU coaches who talk to those kids will also put ito their heads to go with Ash to Rutgers instead of MSU, Michigan, PedSU, Wisconsin, etc.

Woody was very well known to do what he could to convince a kid he knew he wouldn't get to go to a school that was';t Notre dame or TSUN.

 

[RU2055]

There are alot of kids who tOSU scouted that did not get an offer form us but are being looked at or commited to other B1G schools. Ash may not go after tOSU recruits but these others a fair game. I would bet money that other tOSU coaches who talk to those kids will also put ito their heads to go with Ash to Rutgers instead of MSU, Michigan, PedSU, Wisconsin, etc.

Woody was very well known to do what he could to convince a kid he knew he wouldn't get to go to a school that was';t Notre dame or TSUN.

Bingo

 

[Toddwills00]

At least Ash has proven he is no James Franklin. Remember when Franklin left Vanderbilt and raided their recruiting class and brought a couple to State Penn.

 

[StyleKnight]

At least Ash has proven he is no James Franklin. Remember when Franklin left Vanderbilt and raided their recruiting class and brought a couple to State Penn.

He was trying to flip the Vanderbilt kids before he was even officially hired.

 

[RUonBrain]

Blah blah blah!

Iiiii don't want to work!
I just wanna bang on my (same) drum all day!!!

 

[Queztastic]

Also, there are schools out there where you are committed, but they drop you if they get someone better. It happened to Ford last year and 2 Gator commits just decommitted. The article suggest the reason why:

"and with the Gators still pursuing big fish like Brian Burns and Jordan Woods to add to their crop of defensive linemen in the 2016 cycle, Mitchell had been casting eyes elsewhere, likely seeing the potential for being pushed out of Florida's class."

http://www.alligatorarmy.com/2015/12/17/10405648/eric-mitchell-decommits-florida-gators-recruiting

 

[NickyNewark51]

Well I am trying to guess which recruit could be flipped from Ohio State to Rutgers. Umm, there is none. Needless banter as this point.

maybe a mad one who's left at the altar...no room at the Inn types....they fill up as fast as hamburger's sell at McD's..

 

[Nosoj]

He should be recruiting any players that can improve and turn around his new program.
Committed anywhere or not.

Small time thinking. Why would he burn a bridge with Meyer and Ohio State for a few recruits who may or may not flip, and may or may not pan out once they're on campus? Building a successful program is not about winning the next month, consequences be damned.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Blah blah blah!

Iiiii don't want to work!
I just wanna bang on my (same) drum all day!!!

Damn Straight!!!

 

[knightfan7]

Some people have short memories. I remember a certain Defensive Assistant who did Greg dirt by recruiting Rutgers commits while still at RU but after taking a new job.

Posters were universal in wanting him hung from the railroad bridge over the Raritan.

 

[jakeknight]

It appears to me that coach Ash has given coach Meyer the sleeves from his vest when he indicated he would not try to flip OSU commits. Let's be real there is a lot more fertile ground left to be worked than OSU's current commits. So coach Ash comes across as very principled and continues to recruit where his time and energy might bear result.

 

[HoosierKnight]

Hoosier, I like the guitar. What is it?

That was a Taylor 710 rosewood dreadnought. Big sounding guitar - like the grand piano of guitars. I sold it several years ago and now play a Larrivee and a Seagull. The 710 was really nice but the other two fit my voice better. The 710 was actually too big and loud for my voice.

 

[yesrutgers01]

We seriously have some fans that are just dense.
If Ash was fired by Meyer, different story, but how big of a deal is it that he won't try to flip a kid from OSU hahaha while he is still there.
The moment he is not under their employ, all gloves off but still, who the F is going to flip to us.
It's kind of like promising Tom Brady you won't bang his wife if he gives you a signed football.
Also- as our friend from OSU pointed out, isn't it better to keep Meyer as a "friend" where he would try to steer a good player he isn't taking(let's use Rene as an example) to his buddy Ash then let them go to a school/coach he hates...

 

[ArminRU]

The people who are still mad about Ash coaching OSU through the bowl game must be the most dense people alive.

 

[SkilletHead2]

I believe what Ash said was that he wouldn't go after tOSU commits. No reason not to go after kids who tOSU wants but have not committed, nor any who decommit. This seems perfectly reasonable to me.

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

Ash said he would not try to flip kids who were committed to OSU, which is exactly what he should say. I would look down on any coach who tried to poach committed players from his former team. Uncommitted players being recruited by OSU are fair game. I don't know why this is hard for people to understand.

Scarlet Jerry