Ash was OK with Laviano
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I think there's a certain amount of coachspeak going on, here.
There isn't anything that Laviano does really well. If he's on 100 other teams in D1 he doesn't see the field.
There isn't anything that Laviano does really well. If he's on 100 other teams in D1 he doesn't see the field.
And perhaps the same applies to the backups, and move that number to 200.
Ash also said this was the best DL they would face this year.
I think very soon Ash needs to start this guy..who he claimed 'best fits the offense he wants to run' worked for Washington when todays QB STARTED AS true FRESHMAN LAST SEASON.
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"With what we are going to do offensively, we wanted to find a quarterback that fit that system and I think we hit a home run with that. Tylin Oden is exactly what we want in the system for the future. Tylin is an outstanding quarterback, a talented kid that can beat you with his feet and his arm. I think we hit a home run.
All those things may well be true.
Still, there are some serious concerns that need to be addressed.
If Ash sticks with Laviano and this same offense - which, in first reveal, appears to be nothing like we envisioned - then interest and enthusiasm will begin to suffer. The fans will grow weary, the recruits will grow weary.
You get only so much initial goodwill. It's best not squandered on well-known mistakes.
Offense needs more misdirection or trickery to make up for lack of playmakers. We will need our defense to score for us.
I've had enough of hearing how good he is in practice - he clearly doesn't translate that to the field. Yes UW was very good, but they aren't the reason he fumbled (twice) and threw that PeeWee level INT for an almost pick-six or made any number of other poor plays. Put Allen in, please. With Allen (or even a not quite ready Odin), we could at least really mix up the runs and passes with at least two guys on the field at any time who can take the shotgun snap. Take some chances, be exciting, anything but this.
I sure hope Ash does not bend to the will of the dumb fanbase.
Today was trial by fire. According to Ash ,we will not see a DL like this again. Would you measure a rookie firefighting unit based their performance at their first fire when it was a major conflagration? I would not. Lots of lessons to be learned today.
OL performed poorly, or maybe there was just nothing they were going to do against UW's formidable OL. Not the best way to judge the offensive unit.
Ash said this, and I agree-- the special teams needs a lot of work. Wondering why they did not go after another kicker when that kid with the bad masonry work decommited and went to PSU.
I'd hate for a QB to get his first game experience in a blowout loss like this. It's not a situation that arouses a lot of confidence in the replacement, especially with the OL being smashed around. OTOH, we need a new starter unless Laviano can somehow turn around -- which he now has had a long time to do.
Sure. Why wouldn't you? After all, the things you train for, the techniques you learn, those things don't change and how you execute them under any circumstances should still be evaluated.
A lot of the team needs work and the talent level needs to be improved, across the board. I think we all get that. But those things are independent of the fact that if Laviano performs poorly through the remaining games and still sees all the snaps, people are going to get pissed.
The other qbs couldnt have thrown screens and taken sacks? What a joke to keep arguing it makes sense the gcf is getting exposed
We will never know if we don't give them a chance. What is there to lose,
if we put in a backup down 40 pts, or against Howard, why don't we look
at someone else against Howard we could always go back to Laviano, the
fumbler, last year he couldn't take the ball from center. and today he was fumbling
again.
The most popular player with most fans is the back-up QB. Laviano is not the answer as anybody who has watched us for the past two years will attest. But to try and say that Mehringer and Ash didn't make the correct decision based on six months of up close observation is just plain silly. Eli Manning wouldn't of made a difference behind that line and receivers who could not separate.
I know we are all disappointed and were hoping that a different Rutgers team would come out and show us things we are not used to seeing. But at the end of the day we simply came up against the 14th ranked team in the country in their stadium and we did not match up well with them.
Save yourself numerous suicidal Saturday's and accept that we aren't going to see real change until year three. If year three comes and we anywhere near resemble what we have been watching for the past decade, THEN you can lose your mind.
But to get this worked up after one game is ridiculous.
I know we are all disappointed and were hoping that a different Rutgers team would come out and show us things we are not used to seeing. But at the end of the day we simply came up against the 14th ranked team in the country in their stadium and we did not match up well with them.
Save yourself numerous suicidal Saturday's and accept that we aren't going to see real change until year three. If year three comes and we anywhere near resemble what we have been watching for the past decade, THEN you can lose your mind.
But to get this worked up after one game is ridiculous.
CL is not a rookie. He's been in a college program for three years and this is his second year starting. How come I watch teams plug and place QBs every week and we seem to be waiting on a guy that lacks any discernible special talent. What's even more frustrating is that the staff has changed but the message remains the same.
Ash doesn't give a damn about the fan base. If/when he starts winning the fan base will love him. If he keeps on losing for 3 years the administration will dump him.
He's doing what he thinks is right. Do you think he puts his job in the hands of us? Let's hope he is right.
He's doing what he thinks is right. Do you think he puts his job in the hands of us? Let's hope he is right.
I don't care how much knowledge Ash has, running the offense we saw today with this QB will fail
Hey, I agree that Ash is going to do what he thinks is right. He thought Goodwin was better than Hicks. I gave him the benefit of the doubt going into the game. Goodwin can catch the ball. It's a good skill and he's a nice complimentary player. But, he's not a starting RB in the B1G. Hicks clearly outplayed him today and Martin is a much better runner. Let's hope that's one of the tweaks we see moving forward. It won't make the difference between winning and losing with this team but it will give the fans hope that this staff will trust the game day performance over the preseason practices.
Laviano is the worst QB we've had in decades. Stares down receivers, doesn't throw to open receivers & doesn't protect the ball. H3 should not be playing.
Too many people here tried to downplay the damage that Flood did to our program. It will take at least 4 soild recruiting classes before we can get back to being a dangerous team that goes to bowls every year.
Every year we should see some improvement but it will be a long road back.
This year i can't see us winning more than 4-5 games unless a lot of crazy things happpen aka other teams imploding.
I said that before this game and this game didn't really change anything for me.
Every year we should see some improvement but it will be a long road back.
This year i can't see us winning more than 4-5 games unless a lot of crazy things happpen aka other teams imploding.
I said that before this game and this game didn't really change anything for me.
we wont see another defense like this till;
Ohio State,Michigan,Michigan State..then what?
Laviano just does not throw like division 1 QB. Put someone else in.
That sounds like almost every QB who's played at RU at some point in their careers.
Yes, but with them there were flashes of something. We at least had good Nova to balance out Bad Nova
Been very little to get excited about with Laviano
Zappaa I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out exactly what we were running.:confused: It didn't look like a true spread option, although it had elements of it. Nor a pro style but had some dropping back, with a little wildcat sprinkled in.
Actually it looked like Dr. Frankenstein decided to get into the coaching business to me. Maybe this was the coaching staff's attempt to fit the scheme to personnel. But your right this seems like an effort in futility.
Rutgers is caught in a catch 22 scenario where better talent is needed but will be difficult to attract with losing seasons.lets not forget that opponents will use negative recruiting against Rutgers during the rebuild process and elite programs will continue cherry picking the best NJ recruits.
Agreed. The problem with Nova wasn't talent. It was bad coaching. I haven't seen much from Laviano so far.
Transitioning from pro to spread without a spread QB is going to produce a hybrid system for a while. Of course when we put Washington on ur schedule a couple of years ago they weren't that good, and of course when we get them they are conceivably a top 10 team. I didn't expect the mess I saw today, but like an earlier poster said, we need more recruiting cycles to get Ash's and Mehringer's system in place. We have one playmaker on offense (Grant), good running backs, and no true D1 WRs. I thought our O-line did a decent job and created some good lanes for the backs, but when there are no Carroo- or Sanu-type threats, or a TE like Kroft, or a QB who is more than a manager at this point, it is easy to blame the coaches. I don't. The Flood years, regardless of who was to blame, set us back a lot.
was this the first fire for the starting QB or do you refer to the head coach?
[EDIT: I have come around to the idea that as RaRa says somewhere in this thread, this offense needs more time. I leave the rest of this here for the record..]
The sadly funny thing is.. this kind of "mistake" has a good deal to do with the opening that Ash filled!
Doesn't Ash realize why he had to state so many times this off-season and preseason that he is okay with pulling QBs? Did it not register with him when it came up in the job interview and in TD club meetings and in talking with big donors and with the media? Was he just saying that to say it and had no intention of following up on that?
I mean, I understand that he "knighted" Laviano and that Laviano is popular with the other players, by all accounts.. and when he got the nod to start I was rooting to see a vastly improved QB back there... but come on now... you'll never have another rookie year of coaching to try out a lot of QBs. We can tolerate a lot of..well, for the old timers I'll just say "Sacca".. we can tolerate throwing "Sacca" into the game and seeing he is no better than the other QB we started.
But it is hard to watch... that... and get excited about seeing more of.. That.
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Both. New offense for CL. First game for the Fire Chief Ash. They lost the building, nothing left by Ashes.
Practice is not the same as real games. I hope Ash knows this and will bench CL after another bad game or two. Practicing well is nice, but at the end of the day it's irrelevant.
You can bet professional firefighters measure performance of all their calls and if they had a call that went as badly as this, firefighters would be dead. And someone(s) would be held responsible. Was it poor training? Poor decisions on the job?
You had coaches out there that are not kids. You had a QB that started all last season. Especially in that 1st quarter, someone should have called a time out and calmed everyone down and been a LEADER out there. ideally your head coach AND QB AND TEAM CAPTAINS all do that.
And there was no reason for Laviano to be out there in the 4th quarter. None. Hell, the game was over at halftime... Maybe we could have given the 2nd and 3rd string QBs quarters. If we had not prepared a backup to play, why are we letting Laviano run the ball?
As zappaa said, there are things to build on here... but the QB has had ample opportunities to show what he has.
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