Ash was OK with Laviano

[koleszar]

Transitioning from pro to spread without a spread QB is going to produce a hybrid system for a while. Of course when we put Washington on ur schedule a couple of years ago they weren't that good, and of course when we get them they are conceivably a top 10 team. I didn't expect the mess I saw today, but like an earlier poster said, we need more recruiting cycles to get Ash's and Mehringer's system in place. We have one playmaker on offense (Grant), good running backs, and no true D1 WRs. I thought our O-line did a decent job and created some good lanes for the backs, but when there are no Carroo- or Sanu-type threats, or a TE like Kroft, or a QB who is more than a manager at this point, it is easy to blame the coaches. I don't. The Flood years, regardless of who was to blame, set us back a lot.

Look I think we simply ran into the perfect storm.(Still not sure whose brilliant idea this was) New coach, new scheme's, not much talent, traveling 3,000 miles. Going up against a great coach with a team rounding into shape, a top defense in the country, speed out the ass on O and a QB dropping dimes all over the place. Hell if I was a horror writer writing about football I'd probably use this game as a case study.

I don't believe we're as bad as this game indicated. But still this staff needs to work on personnel and scheme decisions on offense. It's understandable our young O coordinator struggled against this D. They're probably one of the best if not the best we'll see all year. But hard worker or not running Goodwin up the middle is not a recipe for success. On D I actually think we're going to be OK. The old guy coaching special teams he might just have to go.

 

[BleedinRutgersRed]

I don't care how much knowledge Ash has, running the offense we saw today with this QB will fail

Yeah, this is the problem. We brought in an inexperienced OC who knows how to run an offense with a mobile QB. He clearly doesn't know what to do with a QB who can't run. I am dreading another year of HB runs up the middle on 3rd and 2. I'd rather see one of the backups who is more mobile but maybe not quite as good a passer (can't imagine how any of them could be a much worse passer than Laviano tbh), and hten at least Mehringer can put in a decent game plan.

 

[cRURah]

Good lord. Another stubborn coach. Get me out of here.

Ash = Flood 2.0

 

[RUScrew85]

Needs to protect ball better on runs and make better decisions, but liked how he got in rhythm in second half.

He has more football knowledge in his his pinky than this entire board of negatoids.

Gio would have been the #2 QB in.

LOL yeah you can see all that football knowledge while he takes 11 seconds to read a D and find a WR.

 

[RUScrew85]

Ash = Flood 2.0

Way too soon to say that.

Look, we're gonna win 3 or 4. And that's OK as long as Ash keeps his recruits committed. This is going to take a couple of years before we're good. If Ash can't keep the recruits committed we're done and so is he.

 

[ru75]

Both. New offense for CL. First game for the Fire Chief Ash. They lost the building, nothing left by Ashes.

good one, but I still want to see the QB with the quickest release in games get some playing time...

 

[NickKnight 1]

Laviano is the worst QB we've had in decades. Stares down receivers, doesn't throw to open receivers & doesn't protect the ball. H3 should not be playing.

But if you need a false ID, he's your man, but just don't let
him cut your hair.

 

[brucelaw8]

good one, but I still want to see the QB with the quickest release in games get some playing time...

We know who that likely is ,but he is so buried on the depth chart that football may not be in the cards for him until his graduate transfer.

 

[RUBand]

Ash = Flood 2.0

Wrong

 

[RUBand]

Look I think we simply ran into the perfect storm.(Still not sure whose brilliant idea this was) New coach, new scheme's, not much talent, traveling 3,000 miles. Going up against a great coach with a team rounding into shape, a top defense in the country, speed out the ass on O and a QB dropping dimes all over the place. Hell if I was a horror writer I'd probably use this game as a case study.

I don't believe we're as bad as this game indicated. But still this staff needs to work on personnel and scheme decisions on offense. It's understandable our young O coordinator struggled against this D. They're probably one of the best if not the best we'll see all year. But hard worker or not running Goodwin up the middle is not a recipe for success. On D I actually think we're going to be OK. The old guy coaching special teams he might just have to go.

I agree

 

[ru75]

good one, but I still want to see the QB with the quickest release in games get some playing time...

yep, and there is no substitute for game time trial by fire to know...but what do I know?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

All those things may well be true.

Still, there are some serious concerns that need to be addressed.

If Ash sticks with Laviano and this same offense - which, in first reveal, appears to be nothing like we envisioned - then interest and enthusiasm will begin to suffer. The fans will grow weary, the recruits will grow weary.

You get only so much initial goodwill. It's best not squandered on well-known mistakes.

Fair points, and this is NJ so our expectations are greater - and our ability to "turn" quicker - despite out lack of long-term success, but remember: Flood had issues in Year 1 despite the bowl game, starting with the embarrassing homecoming loss to Kent State, but the fans didn't give up on him then (some still haven't, lol...) nor did the recruits. It wasn't until the on AND off field issues of his 2nd season that many recruits, and fans, began to turn. I think so long as recruits and fan alike see progress this year, and hope for the future with the right kids in the program, he'll be fine. Just can't look unprepared, as we did in the 1st quarter, come mid-season.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

BTW - am I the only one who has a lot of trouble believing that Laviano is "faster" this year? Maybe it was just his ridiculous indecision on some of those plays but, yikes, he looked slower IMHO.

 

[saltpepperketchup]

BTW - am I the only one who has a lot of trouble believing that Laviano is "faster" this year? Maybe it was just his ridiculous indecision on some of those plays but, yikes, he looked slower IMHO.

I think its an illusion. He was faster just the self-proclaimed increased "zip" on his passes just made him look like he moved slower.

 

[Knight Shift]

LOL yeah you can see all that football knowledge while he takes 11 seconds to read a D and find a WR.

Was talking about Coach Ash.
Your hatred of CL blinds your judgment.

 

[SouthJerseyRU]

Said this in the game thread, but it got lost. When Chip Kelly was the coach of the Eagles,I read a lot about his offense and watched the accompanying videos. I am no means an expert but it looked to me that Laviano was slow to recognize the correct decision on zone read plays. The DE was crashing down and he was still handing off. If someone out there has the game tape and the Xs and Os chops I'd like to see a breakdown of the decisions. Could be a comfort thing, could be a just not a part of his skill set thing.

 

[RUReady76]

I've had enough of hearing how good he is in practice - he clearly doesn't translate that to the field. Yes UW was very good, but they aren't the reason he fumbled (twice) and threw that PeeWee level INT for an almost pick-six or made any number of other poor plays. Put Allen in, please. With Allen (or even a not quite ready Odin), we could at least really mix up the runs and passes with at least two guys on the field at any time who can take the shotgun snap. Take some chances, be exciting, anything but this.

 

[RUReady76]

I've had enough of hearing how good he is in practice - he clearly doesn't translate that to the field. Yes UW was very good, but they aren't the reason he fumbled (twice) and threw that PeeWee level INT for an almost pick-six or made any number of other poor plays. Put Allen in, please. With Allen (or even a not quite ready Odin), we could at least really mix up the runs and passes with at least two guys on the field at any time who can take the shotgun snap. Take some chances, be exciting, anything but this.

29,000 posts, 1,400 likes. Go figure.

 

[JQRU91]

Practice is not the same as real games. I hope Ash knows this and will bench CL after another bad game or two. Practicing well is nice, but at the end of the day it's irrelevant.

If Ash is going to bench Laviano, he ought to do it now. The next two games are against opposition whose talent level is much more manageable. They should be an opportunity to get the offense untracked and some of the kinks shaken out. The worst thing would be to have Laviano play the bulk of those games and then have him benched to have a new guy start against Iowa, Ohio State, and Michigan. That could make for a really long and epically bad season.

 

[lighty]

"But to try and say that Mehringer and Ash didn't make the correct decision based on six months of up close observation isjust plain silly."

Sorry, not buying it.

If you want to say Ash didn't have a good feeling about the game and didn't want to throw an untested WB to the wolves I'd buy it. But to think football experience means you have to go with the guy who does best in practice is a joke. Practice is practice, games are different. If Ash lets Laviano struggle each week like Flood did we're screwed.

I can't believe Ash will go down with the ship the way Flood did.

 

[cRURah]

Wrong

i meant it only as to the handling of Laviano. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[brgRC90]

I gotta say at this point Laviano hasn't shown much to be optimistic about but people are forgetting that there are other players on the offense, all learning a new style. Maybe Ash kept Laviano in partly to help them, too. If you bring another QB everything changes for them and a new round of confusion begins in a game that was probably already confusing.

 

[RU848789]

29,000 posts, 1,400 likes. Go figure.

Brilliant counterargument to my post - kind of sad that you actually pay attention to post to like ratio. Having said that, since you brought it up, considering I've had about 2000 posts since the new board format started about 16 months ago, 1400 likes on 2000 posts is at least better than your 20 to 33 ratio.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

We know who that likely is ,but he is so buried on the depth chart that football may not be in the cards for him until his graduate transfer.

If you are not going to use the QB as a runner you might as well put in the guy with the best arm......that ain't Laviano

 

[Knight Shift]

Laviano won the job and he didn't do anything in the game that justified pulling the kid. He was out there battling and trying to make plays. He showed toughness. When Laviano was calm in the pocket, he did a good job.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Laviano won the job and he didn't do anything in the game that justified pulling the kid. He was out there battling and trying to make plays. He showed toughness. When Laviano was calm in the pocket, he did a good job.

Fumble, interception, 4 yards per pass attempt..... shall I continue ?

I will..... never faked the handoff to run, if he throws an accurate pass that hits Goodwin in stride he scores easily, missed Grant who announcers sail was wide open.

 

[Knight Shift]

Fumble, interception, 4 yards per pass attempt..... shall I continue ?

Those are not my words. They are Ash's and Mehringer's. Take it up with them. Things looked better when Applefield (Flood recruit) was subbed in for Muller. Laviano had more time. Yes, he had miscues. He looked better than Josh Dobbs against App. State. Josh Dobbs is in his 4th year as QB. Shall we continue to debate?

 

[lighty]

Laviano won the job and he didn't do anything in the game that justified pulling the kid.

that's closer to the truth imo. Yet another game in which Laviano doesn't lead the team to the end zone once

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Those are not my words. They are Ash's and Mehringer's. Take it up with them. Things looked better when Applefield (Flood recruit) was subbed in for Muller. Laviano had more time. Yes, he had miscues. He looked better than Josh Dobbs against App. State. Josh Dobbs is in his 4th year as QB. Shall we continue to debate?

No need to continue if you think Laviano, is a good QB. If you think he is good then no one can change your mind or help you see the truth.

 

[Knight Shift]

No need to continue if you think Laviano, is a good QB. If you think he is good then no one can change your mind or help you see the truth.

Hey man, I never said anything of the sort. Maybe you should go to the Chris Ash show on Thursday and address your concerns, cause those are his and his OC's words, not mine.

 

[ru75]

Laviano won the job and he didn't do anything in the game that justified pulling the kid. He was out there battling and trying to make plays. He showed toughness. When Laviano was calm in the pocket, he did a good job.

Using your logic, could it be your love of being supportive to management blinding you? You may be right, of course, but just saying.

 

[Purple-Ed]

Practice is not the same as real games. I hope Ash knows this and will bench CL after another bad game or two. Practicing well is nice, but at the end of the day it's irrelevant.

Practicing the game plan well is irrelevant? Huh, didn't know that.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Practicing the game plan well is irrelevant? Huh, didn't know that.

When you still suck during the game, yeah, irrelevant. CL can look like Joe Montana and Tom Brady in practice and at the end of the day, it doesn't make any difference.

 

[Knight Shift]

Using your logic, could it be your love of being supportive to management blinding you? You may be right, of course, but just saying.

That's not MY logic. That's very close paraphrases of what Ash and Mehringer said after the game.

 

[RU-05]

Coach talk. I won't put Ash into the Flood category of stubborn just yet. I think he will make the change if Laviano does not show more in upcoming weeks.

 

[RU-05]

And perhaps the same applies to the backups, and move that number to 200.

Ash also said this was the best DL they would face this year.

On the one hand that is something that helps take a bit of the sting off. On the other, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State etc, will have some pretty darn good DL's as well.

 

[Purple-Ed]

When you still suck during the game, yeah, irrelevant. CL can look like Joe Montana and Tom Brady in practice and at the end of the day, it doesn't make any difference.

When you still suck during the game, yeah, irrelevant. CL can look like Joe Montana and Tom Brady in practice and at the end of the day, it doesn't make any difference.

Geez, the things you learn about football just reading these boards.

 

[RUScrew85]

Was talking about Coach Ash.
Your hatred of CL blinds your judgment.

Hatred is a strong word for what I don't feel for CL. That said, he is either unable to throw down field or the team does not have confidence to call a play allowing a D1 starting QB to throw down field. That does not allow one to conclude that the QB is good by any measure.

 

[albanyknight]

Mr. Potato Head was right in today's column.

Mehringer's offense is based on getting your play-makers out in space to create yardage. We have exactly one play-maker (Grant) and he has been consistently inconsistent at wide receiver.

I don't care how good or bad you are as a QB, when nobody is open and your OL is porous, you are not going to look anything like you do in practice.

Flood went with Laviano because he gave Flood the best chance to win and Ash has arrived at the same conclusion. I assure you that Ash who comes from Ohio State where they don't hesitate to replace QBs at the drop of a hat would of pulled Laviano if he thought it would of made any kind of a difference.

My bet is as the season progresses, Ash will work in two and possibly all three other QBs. But pulling Laviano yesterday would of served no purpose other than to erode the kid's confidence.

We have two games coming up that we should win. Give Ash and Laviano a chance before calling out the lynch mob.

 

[Knight Shift]

Mr. Potato Head was right in today's column.

Mehringer's offense is based on getting your play-makers out in space to create yardage. We have exactly one play-maker (Grant) and he has been consistently inconsistent at wide receiver.

I don't care how good or bad you are as a QB, when nobody is open and your OL is porous, you are not going to look anything like you do in practice.

Flood went with Laviano because he gave Flood the best chance to win and Ash has arrived at the same conclusion. I assure you that Ash who comes from Ohio State where they don't hesitate to replace QBs at the drop of hat would of pulled Laviano if he thought it would of made any kind of a difference.

My bet is as the season progresses, Ash will work in two and possibly all three other QBs. But pulling Laviano yesterday would of served no purpose other than to erode the kid's confidence.

We have two games coming up that we should win. Give Ash and Laviano a chance before calling out the lynch mob.