Assessing B1G 10 in 2018 (recruiting; players graduating etc)...Team By Team

[BigEastPhil]

For 2018, this is how I see the B1G 10 shaping up via rankings:

Michigan - cream of the B1G 10 next year with Maryland. They lose Abdul Rahman and Duncan Robinson but core of team (Matthews; Poole; Simpson; Wagner; Livers) is young and getting better. Plus they have 2 (4) star recruits and 3 (3) star recruits. With Beilein's coaching,Michigan becomes Top 5-10 Squad in nation. National Title contender.

Maryland - cream of the B1G 10 next year with Michigan. Only Cerkovsky leaves and thus heckuva squad comes back (Huerter; Cowan; Jackson; Fernando) along with 1 (5) Star recruit and 2 (4) star recruits. I see Maryland as Top 5-10 squad in nation as well. They have 2nd best recruiting class in conference and 12 th nationally. National Title contender.

Michigan State - they will in all likelihood lose Bridges and Jackson to the NBA plus Schilling and Nairn. They have 3 (4) Stars and 2 (3) Stars committed. Presuming Izzo remains and no issues with MSU concerning the terrible matter occurring, MSU remains in Top 3 in B1G 10 but down a notch. Their recruiting class however is ranked #1 in conference and 10th nationally. Sqaud remains in Top 15-20. High celing but Sweet 16 type of team

Indiana - Newkirk and Johnson graduate. Archie Miller has solid core returning alsong with 3 (4) star recuits and 1 (3) star. Recuiting class is 19th nationally and 4th in conference. i see Indiana becoming a Top 25 squad once again and making NCAA's

Nebraska - only Gill leaves and all of team should come back. Will be savvy veteran squad with 2 (3) star recruits committed. Senior laden teams are tough. Top 25 bubble squad and should be NCAA bound

Penn State - Garner leaves. Core of team comes back with 2 (3) star commits and 2 other hard commits. Similar to Nebraska, sqaud will be mostly upper classmen. Should be NCAA Bound

Ohio State - they lose Tate; Williams and I would think Bates Diop to the NBA. They have 2 (4) star recruits and 3 (3) star recruits. Heart and Soul of team is lost with Tate and Bates Diop and hence Ohio State will drop to upper middle of the pack. NCAA Bubble squad

Northwestern - they lose Lindsay and McIntosh and have 3 (4) star recruits plus 1 (3) star. Off year in 2017 and they will rebound in 2018 to be bubble NCAA squad.

Purdue - they lose Vince Edwards; Isaac Haas and Dakota Matias. Lot of talent lost there. They have 3 3 star recruits coming in. Too much lost talent to overcome and they drop to middle of pack - albeit still in upper echelon. NCAA Bubble squad

Illinois - no one leaves and they have 1 (5) star recruit. I think nice core returns and Illinois becomes NIT bound.

Minnesota - Lynch and Mason leave. They have 1 (4) star recruit and 2 (3) stars. Team appears in disarray. NIT bound (possibly). Pitino JR will be on hot seat

Rutgers - we have to move up; we just have to. We lose Freeman; Williams and get 1(4) star recruit and 2 (3) stars. Hopefully easier schedule as well. Presumes Sanders stays.

Wisconsin - Happ is back and they have 2 (3) star recruits. Bye bye Greg Gard.

Iowa - Uhl leaves. 1 (4) star recruit and 1 (3) star recruit. Bye bye Fran

 

[knights1212]

A nice summary Phil. Thanks for this.

 

[BigEastPhil]

A nice summary Phil. Thanks for this.

Probably about 8 months too early...lol.....

 

[Mr Magoo]

Nice Summary. I think Michigan’s Wagner will declare for the NBA draft since he toyed with it last year. That would knock them down a bit nationally.

 

[Shimmy24]

FYI, Maryland fans expect Jackson to leave. He shouldn’t, but all indications are that he’s going to. Also a slight chance that Bruno Fernando (freshman big man) decides to test the water.

Most importantly though, MD will never be a national title contender under Mark Turgeon, who is very quickly losing the fan base. He recruits well and he’s good at getting programs to a certain point, but his Xs and Os are lackluster at best and his roster construction has handicapped him from getting over the hump. This is all relative to MD basketball expectations of course.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Iowa will bounce back. Cook and Garza have a lot of upside. Also, Wisconsin gets their injured guards back. It’s going to be tough to get out of the basement next year.

 

[higgins3]

Thanks big east Phil. Darn. It really is an uphill battle year after year for the program.

 

[Professor726]

Turgeon is Lefty all over again. Plus I don't think that Fran and Greg are 100 percent safe this year.

 

[TDIrish27]

Fran signed an extension in November----will cost them 8 million to fire him.

Has made NCAA's 3 times in last 6 years----it's Iowa-----they aren't firing you for that. He'll get 2 more years.

Tim Miles was the poster boy for good bye 6 months ago-------how's that working out ?

 

[Russ Wood]

Turgeon is Lefty all over again.

No. He really isn't.

If he was Maryland would have finished a season ranked No. 4 and won a regular season conference championship and played in two elite eight games under Turgeon by now.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Good synopsis...

 

[TDIrish27]

Turgeon's averaged 23 wins a year for 6 years at Md heading into this season.

 

[dconifer]

No. He really isn't.

If he was Maryland would have finished a season ranked No. 4 and won a regular season conference championship and played in two elite eight games under Turgeon by now.

Yeah, Lefty was a very good coach, who often was unfairly dismissed because he was a character with a drawling accent. (Apropos to that was one of his famous quotes: "Ah can coach.") I know Lefty never won the big one, but there's really no similarity, as you pointed out. He was sharp as a tack and could coach toe to toe during a game against anybody.

A local sports radio guy in the seventies (Phil Wood) used to mock Lefty with this quote: "Well, you know, Ah dunno, Buck's a hoss!"

 

[dconifer]

Turgeon's averaged 23 wins a year for 6 years at Md heading into this season.

Shimmy is spot on, though. There's a lot of dissatisfaction...

 

[Russ Wood]

Turgeon's averaged 23 wins a year for 6 years at Md heading into this season.

Very, VERY weak non conference schedule. If they miss the NCAA Tournament this year, it will be the fourth miss in his seven seasons.

Maryland fans simply expect better.

 

[TDIrish27]

Better than an average of 23 wins a year ?

Who's Maryland fans ? 50 guys on an internet site ?

Tell me how many coaches Nationally in a Power League have averaged 23 wins a year ?

Not many I would wager

 

[SoCalNYC]

Shimmy is spot on, though. There's a lot of dissatisfaction...

Agree, Turgeon would be fired if it were not for the worst contract with no extension by the worst AD in history.

According to many college bball experts MD should expect better. No reason why schools like UVA (less tradition) are performing better. It has 2 HOF coaches, a NC and many NBA players over the years with a rabid fanbase.

Turgeon will be gone in one or two years IMO. Attendance and tide is starting to go against him.

 

[Shimmy24]

Better than an average of 23 wins a year ?

Who's Maryland fans ? 50 guys on an internet site ?

Tell me how many coaches Nationally in a Power League have averaged 23 wins a year ?

Not many I would wager

You’re right that not many coaches average 23 wins a year in a power conference, but what does Turgeon/MD have to show for it? A few top four conference finishes and two Round of 32 outs in March. There’s an expectation level at every school and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for MD fans to have higher expecrerions than that.

And just to be clear, this is more than “50 guys on an internet site.” Turgeon’s seat is getting warm and if they don’t perform at a higher level next year, it’ll be scorching hot.

 

[SoCalNYC]

You’re right that not many coaches average 23 wins a year in a power conference, but what does Turgeon/MD have to show for it? A few top four conference finishes and two Round of 32 outs in March. There’s an expectation level at every school and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for MD fans to have higher expecrerions than that.

And just to be clear, this is more than “50 guys on an internet site.” Turgeon’s seat is getting warm and if they don’t perform at a higher level next year, it’ll be scorching hot.

I think he is very mediocre compared to MD's expectations. WHy was he ever given the extension?

There is no reason why a school in MD's radius (like UVA with less tradition and no NC and not having 2 HOF ex HCs) is posting high seeds and yearly NCAAs. No reason at all.

MD by the experts is in the tier under the few bluebloods. It should not miss the NCAAs multiple times over 7 years.

He should be fired by the next AD. He might just leave on his own to another school to save face and lower buyout-- if he is smart.

 

[bac2therac]

Maryland was never the top dog in the ACC, to expect that they should demand more than 23 wins is absurd...careful what you wish for or you could turn into Indiana and Maryland cache aint Indianas

 

[Russ Wood]

Maryland was never the top dog in the ACC, to expect that they should demand more than 23 wins is absurd...careful what you wish for or you could turn into Indiana and Maryland cache aint Indianas

Maryland had a pretty good run in the ACC. Did not win a lot of championships but was usually top 3 or 4 during their run of 11 consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances.

I don't think many Maryland fans are saying winning 23 games is unacceptable. In fact, most of them, would say it should be an average season.

Maryland had its problems in the late 80s with sanctions, post season and TV ban. Recovered and won a Natty. They beat...Wait for it...Indiana and Indiana's cache.

 

[Shimmy24]

What Russ said. It’s not that 23 wins is unacceptable, but the expectation is that there’s some postseason success along with it, which has been completely missing under Turgeon. He helped bring the program back to relevancy (since Gary lost control at the end of his tenure), but the progress has massively stalled and there’s little signs that he can help take them back over the top. Remember, you’re talking about a program that has a national title and two final fours since 2000.

 

[RU-ROCS]

FYI, Maryland fans expect Jackson to leave. He shouldn’t, but all indications are that he’s going to. Also a slight chance that Bruno Fernando (freshman big man) decides to test the water.

Most importantly though, MD will never be a national title contender under Mark Turgeon, who is very quickly losing the fan base. He recruits well and he’s good at getting programs to a certain point, but his Xs and Os are lackluster at best and his roster construction has handicapped him from getting over the hump. This is all relative to MD basketball expectations of course.

Agreed about Turgeon. I have 2 Terps in the immediate family and they say exactly the same thing.

 

[PaBoiler78]

For 2018, this is how I see the B1G 10 shaping up via rankings:

Michigan - cream of the B1G 10 next year with Maryland. They lose Abdul Rahman and Duncan Robinson but core of team (Matthews; Poole; Simpson; Wagner; Livers) is young and getting better. Plus they have 2 (4) star recruits and 3 (3) star recruits. With Beilein's coaching,Michigan becomes Top 5-10 Squad in nation. National Title contender.

Maryland - cream of the B1G 10 next year with Michigan. Only Cerkovsky leaves and thus heckuva squad comes back (Huerter; Cowan; Jackson; Fernando) along with 1 (5) Star recruit and 2 (4) star recruits. I see Maryland as Top 5-10 squad in nation as well. They have 2nd best recruiting class in conference and 12 th nationally. National Title contender.

Michigan State - they will in all likelihood lose Bridges and Jackson to the NBA plus Schilling and Nairn. They have 3 (4) Stars and 2 (3) Stars committed. Presuming Izzo remains and no issues with MSU concerning the terrible matter occurring, MSU remains in Top 3 in B1G 10 but down a notch. Their recruiting class however is ranked #1 in conference and 10th nationally. Sqaud remains in Top 15-20. High celing but Sweet 16 type of team

Indiana - Newkirk and Johnson graduate. Archie Miller has solid core returning alsong with 3 (4) star recuits and 1 (3) star. Recuiting class is 19th nationally and 4th in conference. i see Indiana becoming a Top 25 squad once again and making NCAA's

Nebraska - only Gill leaves and all of team should come back. Will be savvy veteran squad with 2 (3) star recruits committed. Senior laden teams are tough. Top 25 bubble squad and should be NCAA bound

Penn State - Garner leaves. Core of team comes back with 2 (3) star commits and 2 other hard commits. Similar to Nebraska, sqaud will be mostly upper classmen. Should be NCAA Bound

Ohio State - they lose Tate; Williams and I would think Bates Diop to the NBA. They have 2 (4) star recruits and 3 (3) star recruits. Heart and Soul of team is lost with Tate and Bates Diop and hence Ohio State will drop to upper middle of the pack. NCAA Bubble squad

Northwestern - they lose Lindsay and McIntosh and have 3 (4) star recruits plus 1 (3) star. Off year in 2017 and they will rebound in 2018 to be bubble NCAA squad.

Purdue - they lose Vince Edwards; Isaac Haas and Dakota Matias. Lot of talent lost there. They have 3 3 star recruits coming in. Too much lost talent to overcome and they drop to middle of pack - albeit still in upper echelon. NCAA Bubble squad

Illinois - no one leaves and they have 1 (5) star recruit. I think nice core returns and Illinois becomes NIT bound.

Minnesota - Lynch and Mason leave. They have 1 (4) star recruit and 2 (3) stars. Team appears in disarray. NIT bound (possibly). Pitino JR will be on hot seat

Rutgers - we have to move up; we just have to. We lose Freeman; Williams and get 1(4) star recruit and 2 (3) stars. Hopefully easier schedule as well. Presumes Sanders stays.

Wisconsin - Happ is back and they have 2 (3) star recruits. Bye bye Greg Gard.

Iowa - Uhl leaves. 1 (4) star recruit and 1 (3) star recruit. Bye bye Fran

Phil,
I'll help you out a little regarding the Boilermakers. We have 2 talented 3 stars RS ing this year, Aaron Wheeler and Sasha Stephanic

For 2018, this is how I see the B1G 10 shaping up via rankings:

Michigan - cream of the B1G 10 next year with Maryland. They lose Abdul Rahman and Duncan Robinson but core of team (Matthews; Poole; Simpson; Wagner; Livers) is young and getting better. Plus they have 2 (4) star recruits and 3 (3) star recruits. With Beilein's coaching,Michigan becomes Top 5-10 Squad in nation. National Title contender.

Maryland - cream of the B1G 10 next year with Michigan. Only Cerkovsky leaves and thus heckuva squad comes back (Huerter; Cowan; Jackson; Fernando) along with 1 (5) Star recruit and 2 (4) star recruits. I see Maryland as Top 5-10 squad in nation as well. They have 2nd best recruiting class in conference and 12 th nationally. National Title contender.

Michigan State - they will in all likelihood lose Bridges and Jackson to the NBA plus Schilling and Nairn. They have 3 (4) Stars and 2 (3) Stars committed. Presuming Izzo remains and no issues with MSU concerning the terrible matter occurring, MSU remains in Top 3 in B1G 10 but down a notch. Their recruiting class however is ranked #1 in conference and 10th nationally. Sqaud remains in Top 15-20. High celing but Sweet 16 type of team

Indiana - Newkirk and Johnson graduate. Archie Miller has solid core returning alsong with 3 (4) star recuits and 1 (3) star. Recuiting class is 19th nationally and 4th in conference. i see Indiana becoming a Top 25 squad once again and making NCAA's

Nebraska - only Gill leaves and all of team should come back. Will be savvy veteran squad with 2 (3) star recruits committed. Senior laden teams are tough. Top 25 bubble squad and should be NCAA bound

Penn State - Garner leaves. Core of team comes back with 2 (3) star commits and 2 other hard commits. Similar to Nebraska, sqaud will be mostly upper classmen. Should be NCAA Bound

Ohio State - they lose Tate; Williams and I would think Bates Diop to the NBA. They have 2 (4) star recruits and 3 (3) star recruits. Heart and Soul of team is lost with Tate and Bates Diop and hence Ohio State will drop to upper middle of the pack. NCAA Bubble squad

Northwestern - they lose Lindsay and McIntosh and have 3 (4) star recruits plus 1 (3) star. Off year in 2017 and they will rebound in 2018 to be bubble NCAA squad.

Purdue - they lose Vince Edwards; Isaac Haas and Dakota Matias. Lot of talent lost there. They have 3 3 star recruits coming in. Too much lost talent to overcome and they drop to middle of pack - albeit still in upper echelon. NCAA Bubble squad

Illinois - no one leaves and they have 1 (5) star recruit. I think nice core returns and Illinois becomes NIT bound.

Minnesota - Lynch and Mason leave. They have 1 (4) star recruit and 2 (3) stars. Team appears in disarray. NIT bound (possibly). Pitino JR will be on hot seat

Rutgers - we have to move up; we just have to. We lose Freeman; Williams and get 1(4) star recruit and 2 (3) stars. Hopefully easier schedule as well. Presumes Sanders stays.

Wisconsin - Happ is back and they have 2 (3) star recruits. Bye bye Greg Gard.

Iowa - Uhl leaves. 1 (4) star recruit and 1 (3) star recruit. Bye bye Fran

Phil,
I'll add to your assessment of next year's Boilermakers. We have 2 promising 3 stars RS ing this year in 6'8 Arron Wheeler and 6'5 Sasha Stephanic ( Mathias clone). The 18 class has 4 star Trevion Williams, 4 star Eric Hunter, and 3 star Emmanuel Dowuona.

 

[TDIrish27]

Then IMO the Terp expectations are out of whack.

They were never UNC------they weren't Duke------they aren't Michigan St-----they're sort of Michigan.

They suffer from the same malady IMO that RU does-------kids in their area are more ACC oriented------RU gets this from the BE------no coincidence that Cuse has slipped too. HS players don't relate to playing games in Iowa City , Iowa , Lincoln, Nebraska and Champaign Urbana-----no offense to Midwesterners.

They should have stayed in the ACC.

Turgeon has a track record-----took over 2 terrible programs and turned them around. He'll be wealthier and out of work for about a month if they decide to make a change.

John Calipari isn't showing up in College Park Md.

 

[Shimmy24]

Then IMO the Terp expectations are out of whack.

They were never UNC------they weren't Duke------they aren't Michigan St-----they're sort of Michigan.

They suffer from the same malady IMO that RU does-------kids in their area are more ACC oriented------RU gets this from the BE------no coincidence that Cuse has slipped too. HS players don't relate to playing games in Iowa City , Iowa , Lincoln, Nebraska and Champaign Urbana-----no offense to Midwesterners.

They should have stayed in the ACC.

Turgeon has a track record-----took over 2 terrible programs and turned them around. He'll be wealthier and out of work for about a month if they decide to make a change.

John Calipari isn't showing up in College Park Md.

So MD fans should be content with making one Sweet Sixteen every seven years? We’re not asking to be national title contenders every year, but Turgeon’s gotta make at least legit run or he’s gonna be the one run out.

In Gary’s final years before Turgeon took over, he made 3 of 4 tourneys, and everyone knew he was basically just going through the motions. And what has Turgeon done since? 3 tourneys in 7 years (yes he gets a pass on the first few). How is that progressing the program?

This will be my last post on this thread because it seems I can go back and forth forever, but you need to understand our expectations, which are not remotely unreasonable. We had a top five preseason team two years ago that made the Sweet Sixteen by beating two double digit mid majors.

 

[RUJMM78]

Maryland was never the top dog in the ACC, to expect that they should demand more than 23 wins is absurd...careful what you wish for or you could turn into Indiana and Maryland cache aint Indianas

I laugh when some fans deride a Maryland coach who averages 23 wins a season.I consider such a record very successful and something that Rutgers should reward with a statute if it ever happened.

 

[blockm2]

Turgeon's averaged 23 wins a year for 6 years at Md heading into this season.

If you want to talk about total wins for Turgeon, at least gotta admit he has gotten plenty against some bad competition. Maryland's OOC SOS rank by year going back.. 311, 188, 218, 258, 103, 344, 252

Here's his number of wins vs KenPom top 50 competition each season (by end of year rank) going back...1, 6, 5, 8, 2, 4, 2 That's not very impressive. By comparison, Beilein has 3 seasons of at least 12 wins vs KenPom top 50 teams in the last 5 full seasons.

 

[rufeelinit]

Pretty impressive recruiting by Collins at Northwestern. I guess a new facility and last year's success creates some buzz. While RU's conference schedule may get easier next year I believe we expect the OOC to be more difficult. I am hearing a lot of complaining about Maryland's OOC but hard to believe it had more cupcakes than RU played this year. I realize the programs are at entirely different ends of the spectrum but one has to question whether the W-L optics by playing cupcakes really serves the team well long term from a player development and conference competitiveness standpoint.

 

[dconifer]

I would agree that Maryland is on the same tier as Michigan. And I'll bet that Michigan fans have the same goals and aspirations every season that Maryland fans do. These are goals that aren't measured by number of wins, which is a means, not an end. I think they want to get through the first weekend of the NCAA every year, at a minimum, to feel satisfied. Do they reach that goal every year? No. Nobody reaches their goal every year. But that's not what we're talking about here.

The crux of this is at a more granular on-the-court level, though, which is where the dissatisfaction starts. This year alone, even with the injuries, there are some Ls that should have been Ws (I can live with the WTF upset loss against St. Bonaventure, those things happen). I can think of a bunch of games off the top of my head. Michigan State II and Michigan games were in the bag, but ended as losses. Both Purdue games were close enough at the end that one of them should have been a win. The Indiana game was up for grabs at the end and that isn't a game that should be lost this season. The Syracuse game was another example of spinning gold into straw.

It's results like these, coming up empty-handed in clutch situations against high-level teams, that have people feeling dissatisfied. December wins against 150-level teams in guarantee games that pad win totals isn't going to help with that.

 

[BigEastPhil]

FYI, Maryland fans expect Jackson to leave. He shouldn’t, but all indications are that he’s going to. Also a slight chance that Bruno Fernando (freshman big man) decides to test the water.

Most importantly though, MD will never be a national title contender under Mark Turgeon, who is very quickly losing the fan base. He recruits well and he’s good at getting programs to a certain point, but his Xs and Os are lackluster at best and his roster construction has handicapped him from getting over the hump. This is all relative to MD basketball expectations of course.

Shimmy - thanks. Interesting on Jackson (he should stay in school since he was injured to elevate his draft status) but if he's a guaranteed lottery / 1st round pick - hard to pass up. I'm sure Fernando stays in school. He's way too raw and inexperienced. Always enjoy reading your posts on Maryland.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Pretty impressive recruiting by Collins at Northwestern. I guess a new facility and last year's success creates some buzz. While RU's conference schedule may get easier next year I believe we expect the OOC to be more difficult. I am hearing a lot of complaining about Maryland's OOC but hard to believe it had more cupcakes than RU played this year. I realize the programs are at entirely different ends of the spectrum but one has to question whether the W-L optics by playing cupcakes really serves the team well long term from a player development and conference competitiveness standpoint.

I’ve always been against the cupcake OOC schedule but I’ve found I’m in the minority in this forum. To me, the so-called perception that the program is doing better than it actually is is easily dismissed by fans and potential recruits. Then again, there were people on here talking about us possibly getting to the NCAA tournament in December. That was never close to reality.

Also, the confidence gained by early season success by playing cupcakes is lost when reality sets in and we start playing the big boys.

The worst part is the let down everyone feels at the end of the season by losing 70-80% of your games to close out the season, especially considering the plunge we have taken after the Seton Hall game.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Nice Summary. I think Michigan’s Wagner will declare for the NBA draft since he toyed with it last year. That would knock them down a bit nationally.

Wagner is better suited for his senior year at Michigan than the NBA. He's not ready for the NBA unless he wants to play professionally in Europe.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Phil,
I'll help you out a little regarding the Boilermakers. We have 2 talented 3 stars RS ing this year, Aaron Wheeler and Sasha Stephanic

Phil,
I'll add to your assessment of next year's Boilermakers. We have 2 promising 3 stars RS ing this year in 6'8 Arron Wheeler and 6'5 Sasha Stephanic ( Mathias clone). The 18 class has 4 star Trevion Williams, 4 star Eric Hunter, and 3 star Emmanuel Dowuona.

PA Boiler - thanks for the heads-up on the redshirts.. I did not factor in redshirts and the stars via recruiting are from 247 Sports. Bottom line is Painter is a terrific coach; your squad is loaded this year (I'll be rooting for you guys to win it) but losing Edwards; Haas and Matias is a huge loss regardless of redshirts and recruits coming in. Edwards is the star of the team in my opinion; Haas takes up so much space and Matias' game via his shooting needs to be defended. Could definitely move Purdue up several notches as it'll be a dogfight for the 4-8 spots in the league next year between Indiana; Nebraska; Purdue; Ohio State; Northwestern; Penn State etc

 

[blockm2]

Wagner is better suited for his senior year at Michigan than the NBA. He's not ready for the NBA unless he wants to play professionally in Europe.

since he is from Germany and played for a German professional team (as an amateur) prior to coming to Michigan there is a distinct possibility he's fine with playing in Europe.

 

[TDIrish27]

Matt Painter has averaged 22 wins a year at Purdue and hasn't done much in NCAA's so we can rule him out as Turgeon's replacement.

 

[SoCalNYC]

^^^

LOL you must be new to the ACC history that I will school you in on. Start with the Carolina refs. Absolutely legendary and comical to many unbiased reporters (see Duke MD Final Four and the uproar in the media from non Terps). You do know that MARYLAND is a primary reason why they expanded the field long ago?

The Carolina refs in tourney used to screw MD out of a bid in NC at the ACC tourney and never bring it to DC. Basically imagine the #2 ranked team NOT getting to play in the NCAAs because of bias. It was so bad that even Carolina supporters accepted it. Good riddance.

To the other posters

As for expectations, MD bball started Midnight Madness.

MD has 2 legendary HOF coaches. It sells out with rabid fans (many from NJ). It is continuously named as a job right behind the few elites-- you can hear it on air over the years from analysts to opposing coaches.

BUT BUT....The main thing you need to hit on is that MD has the WORST luck in 2 of the worst ADs EVER! lol Yow and Anderson is a cruel joke. Any decent AD would hire much better.

Still MD btw has the most ACC championships across many sports other than UNC. Not UVA, Duke, FSU, GTECH, Wake list goes on and will still be high on the list years later. ACC's history across many sports is MD's bringing home national and conf titles. Already MD has the most B10 championships this past year IIRC.

MD is also one of the few schools with both a football and bball title.

So yes, MD does win titles in ANY Conference across sports.


Lol that was all our Athetlic info...now you know why people think Turgeon is mediocre ;)

Nobody is expecting UK but Turgeon has a ceiling. He will be gone in 1-2 years and he knows it.

 

[Onceler]

Maryland needs to be careful that it doesn't end up like many schools that get rid of a successful coach who "can't get the team to the next level" and then end up with a string of disappointing coaches.

 

[blockm2]

You do know that MARYLAND is a primary reason why they expanded the field long ago?

I'm pretty sure the rest of the country would disagree that Maryland was a PRIMARY reason to expand the tourney field.

 

[dconifer]

Block, I’m not sure how old you are

I'm pretty sure the rest of the country would disagree that Maryland was a PRIMARY reason to expand the tourney field.

it’s not debatable, actually. Removing the one team per conference rule was a direct result of what happened in 1974. That caused the need to expand the field, which was done ASAP.