At A Complete Loss ...
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We only lost two players I think and it was Eddie's decision to keep the team together by keeping Van and Cox.
It only delayed the rebuild. And that's why we're here. Cox left and the players from DC with him.
Mullin brought in his own guys and he's getting killed Year 1 but one smart thing was letting Obekpa and Jordan go.
We still have a Rice recruit and assistant on the team.
I would be careful equating Flood with Jordan. Flood had a series of incidents especially off the field that clearly indicated he lost control of the program and an AD that was in deep trouble.
Put simply if the only issue with Flood was a 4-8 record with no major off-field issues and a series of injuries that hurt his team he probably would have gotten another year.
The suspension of Sanders and Freeman don't qualify as losing control of the team.
Put simply if the only issue with Flood was a 4-8 record with no major off-field issues and a series of injuries that hurt his team he probably would have gotten another year.
The suspension of Sanders and Freeman don't qualify as losing control of the team.
and that was before yesterday right...we heard the same thing from insiders here about Flood and even John O was saying that it wasn't looking like a move would be made. As losses mount and blowouts happen, things change in a hurry so check back at 7 more losses making it 0-41 vs top 250
Ruthers either has the money and political willpower or it doesn't. Jordan will cost more to buyout next season so it's a waste of money to delay the inevitAble. No?
No but considering the only difference that could potentially happen with Rutgers MBB the rest of the season is if they go 0-18 or 1-17 there doesn't seem to be much that Coach Jordan could do between now and the end of the season that would substantially change the trajectory of this season.
Put it simply if Rutgers brings him back it won't be because of what they do the last few games but more likely because they decided long ago that he deserves more time.
Put it simply if Rutgers brings him back it won't be because of what they do the last few games but more likely because they decided long ago that he deserves more time.
Who said he should get more time.
And Seagears was in Auburn when Jordan came on board. Had to convince Kone to stay. Had to convince Brown to honor his commit. You forgot Randall left for Pitt. So Carter, Poole, Randall and Seagears had all transferred.
I'll give you Kone since he never officially transferred. So 40% of the team transferred - leaving 6 players. Not an exodus. Whatever.
Coaching basketball and football and the situations they inherited are totally different.
This is not to excuse it but you cannot equate the two. And again if the off-field incidents hadn't happened even with a 4-8 record Flood would still be the coach.
This is not to excuse it but you cannot equate the two. And again if the off-field incidents hadn't happened even with a 4-8 record Flood would still be the coach.
Bringing Jordan back has consequences. It's not a good look for Hobbs, as a large portion of the fan base is fed up with the losing and he'll lose political capital if he has a hand in keeping the status quo.
Another year like this and Jordan becomes a punch line. How many conference game in a row do we need to lose? 40?!
Hobbs is smarter and more adept than previous AD's and he will convince boosters to endorse a change.
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This is not accurate.
Randall also left, as did Garrett. That is 4 players. Plus Miller and Austin Johnson graduated. That is 6 players that were gone from the 2012-2013 roster. I believe it was TERRIBLE that the NCAA allowed the RU players to transfer without sitting out a year ... there was absolutely NO reason or justification by NCAA rules to do so. Almost certainly Poole would have stayed - and maybe Randall as well.
And Rice was canned late, with Jordan only being hired even later. The only frosh able to be brought in that year was Etou. JUCO transfers Brown and Campbell were re-recruited or found, and the Sr transfer Moore was found .. Lewis was available as well, as an injury redshirt.
After Jordan's 1st year, Cox left/was let go and Seagears also left.
And let's be clear on this I don't have a dog in this fight. Some of you act like people who post that they hear Jordan will be back are intentionally trying to start rumors to hurt people who don't want him back.
I can tell you I heard from people who would know that they are not ready to pull the plug yet.
I can tell you I heard from people who would know that they are not ready to pull the plug yet.
Randall and Garrett were not significant losses and Étou was better than both. But I did forget them. Thanks.
I know Cox and Seagears left after Year 1
Yes rice scandal was a problem.
But this is Eddie's program. Maybe Jordan was set up to fail but we have to stop the bleeding.
You deserve another year when there's evidence of tangible progress, a body of work to feel good about.
and Hobbs is also trying to fundraise, hard to do when over 60% of the fanbase has voted to can him per two unscientific polls done through social media
Jordan might have been safe before yesterday but not anymore. The needle has shifted in public opinion and that was the only thing keeping him another year
That is not the point: You said only 2 players left. And that is not accurate. 4 scholarship players left, plus the 2 who graduated. And Randall was a contributor, though not huge (played in 26 games, though he only averaged 8-9 minutes a game).
Why would yesterday drastically change anything?
And the fundrasing thing is weak since if you start over again it will be 5 years before RU is even remotely competitive in the B10. Money is not RU's biggest problem.
And the fundrasing thing is weak since if you start over again it will be 5 years before RU is even remotely competitive in the B10. Money is not RU's biggest problem.
So the two graduating players had nothing to do with Rice scandal. Context matters.
Four players left. We kept Jack, Mack, Seagears, Judge, Lewis, Kone, Okoro and re-recruited Brown. So 8 players stayed or reconfirmed commitment and 4 left. We signed Étouffée, a better player than Garrett and Randall.
It was Not an exodus. It would have been had not retained the assistants
But we didn't hire a coach with experience recruiting to replace that many scholarships.
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again that's great...because Flood and Julie were safe two weeks before they were canned too..things change by the day. I am not disputing what you heard but if you don't think that everything is fluid when you are this bad then you are in denial..do you really think Hobbs and RU is tipping their hand to anyone
Corey
Just 1. Yes it was Year 1. Player that had an interest in program is making an impact as a freshman.
Just 1. Yes it was Year 1. Player that had an interest in program is making an impact as a freshman.
Some of my favorites last 10 years.....
1. Marquis Webb
2. Dane Miller
3. Anthony Farmer
4. Austin Johnson
5. James Beatty
6. Hamady
Will you be suicidal when Jordan comes back? I mean you are all in on this fire thing, with such persistence. I have never seen anyone want something so bad, every day, day after day lobbying for it. Pushing others to join you. When he returns what will you do? You can jump on the Seton Hall wagon......lol
If it happens I'll just support the coach....I'm really serious, what will you do? Go to a corner and pout?
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Gotta throw J-Mitch into the ring here. His 4-pointer against 'Nova is worth the price of admission. Also, Myles.
Good to see. I have not been on this board long enough to see your credit to players.Still, Mike Williams has grit but you said you build around him. So no one passes the ball?Ill let you comment go as it is immature of me to keep bringing it up. I was just confused.
Okoro was an Eddie recruit. He most certainly was not on the roster when Eddie was hired. Seagears had announced his transfer already (link below). Kone was also rumored to be leaving (link below). Jack, Mack, Judge and Lewis were the only RU scholarship players on the roster/at the Rutgers presser when Eddie was hired.
I don't believe Eddie has had enough time, but completely understand those who want to move on. However, it is completely unfair to paint an untrue picture of the situation Eddie inherited. He had four scholarship players. He has had to recruit 15 players in 3 recruiting classes so that we have a full roster for next year. No other program in the country has had to recruit half as many players as Eddie has in the past three years. This program was an absolute mess post-Rice and was going to require years to (at best) bring it to mediocrity.
Again that doesn't mean folks can't have their pitchforks out. I get it. And the last two weeks haven't helped those of us who still believe in Eddie. But please do not make up facts. This program was decimated when Eddie took it over in April of 2013.
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051513aaa.html
http://www.onthebanks.com/2013/3/29/4161126/malik-kone-to-transfer
destructive reasoning that firing Jordan should influence fund raising ---one should contribute to RU and the build fund now if you "really " care--excuses are just that--if only wins mattered we'd never get off the ground with these needed capital improvements
Let's be serious. It's easy for a guy in Ohio to say he supports this crap. When's the last time you were at the RAC? When's the last time you set foot in New Brunswick? This program is DOA with Jordan in charge. Outside this board, there's not even any outrage because the fan base was been neutered and is dwindling by the day. There's nothing to indicate it's every going to get much better other than blind optimism of you and handful of other shills.
Thanks - you said it clearer than I did. It was a dumspter fire, and the situation WAS a mass exodus, aided and abetted by the NCA ridiculously waiving its transfer sit-out requirements for no good reason whatsoever.
And I agree that one side of me says Jordan needs more time, but that I also understand the perspective of those who disagree, and believe Jordan should be replaced immediately.
No problem with allowing the players to leave ... but what is the justification for allowing them to be eligible at their new schools immediately? There were no NCAA violations, and no hardship situations to allow the players closer to home for illness or family circumstances, and none of the player were 5th year graduates. I think it very unlikely Poole would have left, for example, without the waiver to have to sit for a year. And Randall might not have left either, without the waiver.
In the end, it probably makes no difference, but the principle and point that the NCAA is a useless, hypocritical sack of sh*t is highlighted here. Meanwhile, UNC remains unpunished, Louisville may end up getting a relative pass, Auburn was never really punished and Cam Newton's eligibility (even after the FACT) was never revoked, nor Auburn National Championship with him never revoked ... despite a TAPE RECORDING of his father soliciting between $100,000 and $250,000 to steer Newton to a school (which should have made Newton ineligible for ANY college play, immediately, and retroactively - the NCAA rules are incredibly clear on this issue) ... need I go on?
So the NCAA piles onto the sh*t show that is RU, and lets many other programs almost completely slide. That just burns me.
jelly,
I agree NCAA is useless......
You really don't think those kids deserved to be set free and not sit out a year? What if it was your son?
On a separate note.....i think any athlete should have the freedom to move without sitting out a year whenever there is a change in the head coach.
I agree NCAA is useless......
You really don't think those kids deserved to be set free and not sit out a year? What if it was your son?
On a separate note.....i think any athlete should have the freedom to move without sitting out a year whenever there is a change in the head coach.
Per the WCTC broadcast last night Jordan would be meeting with architects today to look at drawings for the practice facility.It sounds to me that Jordan will be coming back and Rutgers better schedule the worse B1G opponent for the first league game at the RAC to end the league losing streak.
If any athlete had the freedom to do so, then it wouldn't be a thing. It's the fact that the NCAA doles those hardship waivers like they're precious jewels in most instances... but in ours they just made it a blanket allowance. Never fun being on the rougher end of a double standard.
No, I do not believe the kids deserved to be "set free" and not sit out a year. The rules are the rules - no violations, no family hardship - no waiver. Frankly, I do not think Mike Rice was so awful compared to many other coaching situations. The video is what killed him - but it was a video loop of MAXIMUM 20 MINUTES (and I watched the video - it was the same examples played at least twice, repeated twice, on the video, to make it seem longer and worse) of total coaching moments that asswipe whats-his-name and his lawyers could find over the course of over 500 HOURS of practice film from which they had access ... That is 20 minutes out of over 30,000 minutes of practice tape.
That is not to say Rice was not a total nut job, and who knows what else went on. But it was pretty well-known he was a nut job.
Your separate note ... I cannot say I disagree. But that is not the current rule.
