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Don't read into this one too much BAC I only wanted to mention that Eddie was not left the horses Flood was. Flood was left a present and Jordan a pile of *shit.
Eddies record is still deplorable.
I wouldn't read too much into this. The Architects probably want a coaches perspective on what improvements are needed for the revamped facility. Since Eddie is currently the HC he provides this input to the architects.
Doesn't mean he won't be fired at the end of this season.
Mack, Jack, Judge, Seagers, JJ Moore, Etou,(6 rivals 150 players), Lewis, Kone, Brown, Campbell, Okoro
Sorry the year one team had much more talent than Mike Rice's year one time - it was not close. Eddie did a bad job coaching that team.
And what has happened since then is deplorable
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agree Julie was working on things too and supporting womens soccer in North Carolina all the while Hobbs and Barchi were signing a deal..
this...I realize that Jordan scramble to get kids in and that he did a yeomans job but there are two different issues here. People are just lumping everything in one. He did a terrible job coaching the talent he had and like you said 6 top 150 guys...and there were some bad teams we played that year...lost to UCF and Houston and FDU, Drexel, and Bill&Mary and life and death wins against Army and Yale
can you actually stop with your julie reference/defense--she's gone but you're still trying to protect her--and take an ad in the nytimes about reasons to fire jordan--we have heard enough here--maybe the "outside" public will appreciate/care to hear your ?opinion? again and again and again
holy shit what the **** are you talking about...you are such a dolt...I said that to illustrate it doesn't matter than Jordan is meeting with architects, that's his job now, just like it was hers or Fudds job to recruit. They can be fired anyway. You are so consumed with hate you don't even know what Im saying....lmfao there is no defense here honey.
whats your opinion, do you ever have an opinion on anything on game performance
yes ,my opinion is your 100 or more recent posts about firing Jordan are boring, repetitive, overkill--- and talk about hate--you're preoccupied by it towards Jordan as you were towards flood---it's easy to understand why you have over 80000 posts--you can't stop repeating yourself or trying to convince others that you are right --like I said take out an ad--and to top it off you resort to attacks on others for stuff you are most guilty of--who's the dolt? --and constantly complaining about game performance , icy sidewalks or anything else is a complete waste of time and does nothing constructive for RU but proves only that you like to " hear "yourself speak
Preoccupied? The only time I ever see you post is to call him out.
Too funny. Revisionist history at its absolute finest.
That Rutgers team was picked by the Coaches to finish a distant last in the AAC (link). We were picked by the HC's to finish behind such basketball powerhouses as Central Florida and South Florida. And, by the way, not only didn't we finish last, but we finished ahead of Temple, South Florida and Central Florida. All teams picked ahead of us in the preseason.
Plenty of legitimate reasons to take shots at Eddie. No need to make up crap.
http://www.uhcougars.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/101613aag.html
Why wouldnt Rutgers be picked last...they were a national embarrassment..I dont see why where a team is picked makes a difference. Such a high expectaions. A team would never move up because well ya know its suppose to finish where the coaches predicted
What about team that had 6 top 150 Recruits being horrible is made up. That team lost by 61.
shh don't you know if you are picked for last you cant have any expectations......gee since Rutghoops is a big Eddie supporter and RU is going to be picked for last next year and probably the next year, I guess its okay to finish last.
Every HC in the league knew our team and expected us to be horrible. A pretty good giveaway as to how bad we were is Craig Brown and D'Von Campbell had to play 15 and 17 minutes a game respectively on that team. Two guys who never played another minute of D-1A basketball played 15 and 17 minutes EVERY night for us.
As for the "Top 150" recruits:
Moore was asked politely to leave Pitt after NEVER starting in his career there and never averaging more than 8 points a game. Let me know when he stops becoming a "Top 150 recruit" and starts becoming a below average CBB player. Moore was NEVER better in his college career than Jonathan Laurent is this season as a frosh.
Judge never played more than 15mpg at Kansas State and never averaged more than 5.5ppg there. He did better at Rutgers but, like Moore, Judge never lived up to his HS ranking.
Jack was the fourth big in Rice's rotation as a Soph and averaged 5.7 ppg that year. he played about the same minutes as Austin Johnson. He played MUCH better under Eddie than he ever did under Rice. And before I hear how Kadeem was "coming on" as a Soph his last 6 games as a Soph: 15, 6, 6, 4, 4, 10= 7.5ppg
Seagears stunk. Stunk at Rutgers. Stinks at UNLV. Never learned a thing as a college basketball player. And he was a locker room cancer.
I'll never say a bad word about Mack. Kid gave us everything he had.
After a kid actually plays in college I don't need his HS rank to tell you his ability. This will probably shock you but Anthony Davis is better than Austin Rivers even though Rivals didn't have it that way in 2011. Draymond Green was not the 122nd best prospect in the class of 2008 nor was BJ Mullens the #1 player in that class. And I know this will blow your mind but Kawhi Leonard is better at basketball than Wally Judge, Dexter Strickland, Dante Taylor and a whole bunch of other kids he was rated behind in 2009. Also, I'm quite sure Rick Pitino, Josh Pastner, Kevin Ollie, Larry Brown and Fran Dunphy were quite aware of the players on our squad that year. And yet with all those "Top 150 kids" they still picked us last.
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Never, ever made a statement to that effect. But it seems making stuff up is par for the course.
My simple contention is this program was an absolute mess post-Rice. A disaster. The program was in a hole that any HC would need years to dig out.
You have seen enough from Eddie. That is a completely supportable position. I think he deserves more time due to what he inherited as well as my opinion of him as an HC.
I just don't believe you need to make up facts to support your position. Insinuating the 2012-2013 team (the FIRST YEAR post-Rice) was anything other than a train wreck is disingenuous in my opinion.
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I do think it would take years to move RU into the NCAA after the Rice incident. However, I think a good college coach wouldn't have a 61, 48 and 50 point losses on their resume plus many extended record tying/setting losing streaks. These things make the job even tougher to dig out of. That's Jordan's failings. He didn't have to win big immediately but he did have to show a pulse and too often there hasn't been. The only time there was a pulse was the Wisconsin game last year and he followed that up with a 15 game losing streak, comments that he should have done more and his two top players praising the previous coach-the one who caused the incident.
we can agree to disagree.....Moore doing no more than Laurent...oh please with they hyperbole..thats not true. As for Jack he was coming on the second half of his sophomore year. Are you still asserting that Foreman is just as good as him(rolls eyes) Wait and you discount Judge but yet you and others are trumpeting Nigel Johnson as the 2nd coming next year. And what exactly about Eddies coaching in the past 3 years has given you any promise...see I don't get that at all. He has shown nothing. Tell me what exactly have you seen from him in the COLLEGE game that makes you think he can take a team that has lost 28 conference games in a row and start winning....5-35 in last 40 games pretty much refutes that.
I will still contend the talent on that team is better than what we have now yet you are gung ho about Jordan next year. I don't get it. We have seen what a lot of these players have to offer. Eddies best year was his first. Plus we saw 4 of those guys go from playing solid defense under Rice to nothing under Jordan
I will still contend the talent on that team is better than what we have now yet you are gung ho about Jordan next year. I don't get it. We have seen what a lot of these players have to offer. Eddies best year was his first. Plus we saw 4 of those guys go from playing solid defense under Rice to nothing under Jordan
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bac...Moore was beyond terrible....he hurt the team way more than he helped
Rice in his first year had Dane Miller going into his sophomore year a unanimous selection to the BE All-freshman team the year before under Hill
Mike Coburn in his senior year and that experience was a big help.
James Beatty in his second from the JUCO ranks and a senior.
Jonathan Mitchell a transfer from Florida that had a good season the year before under Hill
Biruta in his freshman year and Austin Johnson that always gave his all.
For all the talk about how bad Freddie was as a HC his best season was the year before Rice took over and MR never really improved on that.
Hill left some good players for Rice in MR’s first year at RU and the program Hill Jr. left for Rice wasn’t as bad as the one Rice left for Jordan because
of how Rice made the RU MBB program look and really didn’t develop the to[ recruits into the players they should have been.
Jordan might not be better and need to be replaced, but the way Rice made RU MBB look to the world hurt the way Jordan could recruit and replace those that left and those that stayed weren’t close to be at where they should have been going into their Junior years and Miller was destroyed by the way Rice handled him.
The practice videos were not as bad as they looked because of what was shown was a small portion of all practice sessions, but the way Rice got into the heads of Kone, Gil and Miller was inexcusable and the reason he had to go.
What he left for Jordan were shells of the player’s talent he didn’t develop the right way and only Mack was able to overcome the way Rice treated his players and play with all his heart.
So before just claiming Rice left a good team for Eddie, don't forget he made that team a dysfunctional one Jordan had to overcome.
Mike Coburn in his senior year and that experience was a big help.
James Beatty in his second from the JUCO ranks and a senior.
Jonathan Mitchell a transfer from Florida that had a good season the year before under Hill
Biruta in his freshman year and Austin Johnson that always gave his all.
For all the talk about how bad Freddie was as a HC his best season was the year before Rice took over and MR never really improved on that.
Hill left some good players for Rice in MR’s first year at RU and the program Hill Jr. left for Rice wasn’t as bad as the one Rice left for Jordan because
of how Rice made the RU MBB program look and really didn’t develop the to[ recruits into the players they should have been.
Jordan might not be better and need to be replaced, but the way Rice made RU MBB look to the world hurt the way Jordan could recruit and replace those that left and those that stayed weren’t close to be at where they should have been going into their Junior years and Miller was destroyed by the way Rice handled him.
The practice videos were not as bad as they looked because of what was shown was a small portion of all practice sessions, but the way Rice got into the heads of Kone, Gil and Miller was inexcusable and the reason he had to go.
What he left for Jordan were shells of the player’s talent he didn’t develop the right way and only Mack was able to overcome the way Rice treated his players and play with all his heart.
So before just claiming Rice left a good team for Eddie, don't forget he made that team a dysfunctional one Jordan had to overcome.
Not sure if I ever said Foreman was as good as Jack but if I did I was wrong. Freeman on the other hand (imo) is as good if not better than Jack when healthy. Sanders is the best player to arrive at RU since Mitchell and possibly since Douby. I've never seen Johnson play so I don't have any first hand way to evaluate. People I do trust think he is pretty good and just listening to them I think he'll be a significant upgrade over Bishop. Combined with Williams as a Junior that (Sanders/Nigel/Williams) may not be a bad backcourt. I like what I've seen from Laurent. The two big guys are question marks. Foreman is a fine 7th or 8th man and thats where he should be next year. I have heard really positive things about Tripp. I don't know anyone who has an opinion on the other frosh.
I think healthy this team this year wouldn't have been that bad. We just weren't in a position to lose a kid like Freeman. I think he would have been the best player on this team (this year not better than Sanders long term), and on a team that has Corey Sanders that is a pretty big compliment from me. And we also couldn't afford to lose both bigs.
As for moving on from Eddie. If Eddie is canned and lets say we lose Sanders, Williams, one of the bigs and two of the incoming frosh, what year do you think the new HC should win 12-13 games? And in that year if that HC loses his best player and two other key contributors should he get another season?
I could see the logic of keeping Jordan 2 weeks ago. The Freeman and Sanders developments are real killers.
If Eddie is canned it would probably be best to lose 2/3 of the roster including Freeman and Sanders.
If Eddie is canned it would probably be best to lose 2/3 of the roster including Freeman and Sanders.
