He didn’t gut it but we are spiraling downward quickly.
Next year will be a few freshman who got little time outside Lathan (if they stick around) and a whole new roster.
It could be real ugly.
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He didn’t gut it but we are spiraling downward quickly.
Next year will be a few freshman who got little time outside Lathan (if they stick around) and a whole new roster.
It could be real ugly.
Oh, I think he could do even worse given the chance.
I think tonight he was reacting to fouls that he felt weren't being called the other way. His fouls tonight were way over the top and would have been called in 99% of games... and he got away with plenty that weren't whistled. No reason to complain on the ones that got called - it was probably less than a third of the fouls he committed.
You guys need to understand the difference between “program” and “team”.
Sure..the current team looks gutted. But our program is fine. Huge difference
Sure..the current team looks gutted. But our program is fine. Huge difference
Yes, if we had confidence he could do better. After misses like Simpson, Woolfolk, and Reiber , he tried to upgrade and couldn’t do it. I have zero confidence he could assemble a good team in the new NIL/portal world.
Why is it ridiculous to say he “gutted” the program. The program had decent momentum coming into last year, he’s lost 15/20 games and has positioned Rutgers as the answer to a Trivia Question given his disgraceful ineptitude coaching a team with two lottery picks.
Can you please let this community know what Pike would need to do to effectively gut the program? If he burned down the practice facility as a demonstration of his solidarity with Pat Hobbs would that do it?
Get Real buddy.
Cause he didn’t gut the program. Where Rutgers is now as a program is light years ahead of where they were when took over. If the program is at that spot again..sure, that’s when I’ll say it’s gutted.
Why wouldn't we want to at least try? We KNOW these players aren't good enough. Might as well take a shot at the unknown and potential to improve the roster
Pike's "way" is of a prior era - he needs to change a lot about his way of doing things to succeed in the current era. He's had success in the past finding the value guys that are better than their HS ratings and coaching them up over years... but that style is rapidly going extinct.
Those value guys you bring in will be looking at overvalued NIL promises from other schools pretty quickly and will likely cost you more to keep developing than it would to bring in guys who already cut their teeth elsewhere. Every year you need to rebuild a team from scratch unless you have overflowing coffers to retain all the guys you want to retain, which we most certainly do not.
The "pounding nails" culture of defense, where new guys slot into gaps between veterans steeped in the culture and system.... that's not going to work anymore. Coaches in this era need concepts that can be quickly understood and internalized by coming-in-cold-off-the-street players that don't even really know each other's names on the first day of camp. You can't rely on any year-over-year carry over - and the guys you do have will quickly look at greener pastures if you make their lives too uncomfortable.
Pike needs to do a lot of introspection this offseasons.
Explain how it’s light years better, we sucked in silence back then, we suck in a very public and visible way right now.
I would take the trajectory of the program under Eddie Jordan than this dumpster fire that is visible to every college basketball fan nationwide.
Pike would probably be happier at a small program where he could still coach that way. It doesnt seem he is a good fit for the NIL free agency era unfortunately
Those days are gone. There is no more "developing" a program. It's all about how well a coach does recruiting in the transfer portal.
That's why Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, and Laranaga all called it quits.
This new era is not what Pike was cut out for.
Agree with this.. but this way csn still work with the right roster.
This way doesn’t work with 2 top 5 lottery picks,
Get back to what got pike success here for next season. Under the radar guys that care about the program and not their own brand
For those of you who like RU Hoops to get you through the winter, we now go from Jan 10 to Feb 1 for our next game at the RAC!
Great scheduling for the fans. Good way to get out of a slump too.
Glad our AD was on top of things.
Great scheduling for the fans. Good way to get out of a slump too.
Glad our AD was on top of things.
1000% agree..which is why he’s struggling with 2 top 5 picks.
The old way can still work with the right approach - especially in basketball
You can feel that way but he lost me. I think he’s a terrible coach, perhaps the worst in the league. It takes him years to build a team and the college basketball. Environment has changed. You can’t invest time developing players for multiple years when they switch teams with ease now. It’s a sales job first now, and x and o job next. Developing players is way down on the list with NIL and the transfer portal. He’d make a good defensive assistant coach but he’s a dinosaur as a head coach. He could also do well at a lower level or mid major where development is more important.
our AD doesn’t do the conference schedule so not sure what you’re angry about the ad for
Holy crap dude I lost you here. Did you even watch then?
We were one of the worst programs in all of D1 under Jordan.
There was no trajectory, we were rock bottom.
Put down the phone.
You can believe all that... you want these players returning? He gets lucky with one or two in the portal and we are better off
Name another school in the B1G that goes three weeks without a home game. I’ll wait.
💯 on AD.
Not sure why you’re so defensive when the facts speak for themselves.
We won 1 conference game in those years….we are likely only going to win 1ish this year. We didn’t make the conference or NCAA tournament and we won’t make it this year.
We had a marquis win over #4 Wisconsin, we won’t have that this year.
What am I missing?
The Big Ten makes the conference schedule. You really have to educate yourself.
That’s not what I’m saying, I don’t want any of them back, except maybe Grant. But really I don’t want Pike here.
Just stop.
If you think we’ll only win 1 conference game this year let’s put some $ on it to the Rfund.
Lmfao that you would use the word trajectory with Eddie Jordan. There is no trajectory when you are one of, if not the worst program in all of D1.
Eddie Jordan didn’t coach and just collected his checks.
It’s tough and I don’t know whether it’s gutted or not but going into next year with a team we know can maybe win 8-10 games feels gutted. Being a national laughing feels gutted.
I like Pike. However, I put a lot of the blame on the staff. They did a bad job with roster construction in the portal. On offense, there seems to be no system of getting good shots. On defense, his scheme is not going to work with the current roster. He can play this type of defense with guys like Caleb, Cliff, Mag, and Young. But, they are all gone.
Not for Pike. He got lucky that Geo, RHJ, Caleb etc worked so hard and improved. He’s had a ton of 3 star misses over the last 3,4,5 years that bombed. Either he has lost his eye for talent or can’t develop players anymore. Either way he can’t repeat what he caught lightning in a bottle with during the first half of his tenure. And he can’t coach five stars. It’s over. Back to the cellar for RU.
no clue.
Seems like he’s trying to fit into the new ncsa but it’s not seeming to be working…so get back to your strength as a cusch/recruiter
to be fair this team will be a bad loss for some other schools. Still a good bet to win 4-5 conference games
At this point, those smaller programs have become feeders for larger programs. You get a kid to develop for 2 years, and then they hit the portal and cash in somewhere else. At this point the only programs that haven't yet fallen victim to this sort of churn are the Ivies.
Development is much harder when the players who show potential leave after a year
He will be an asset on the court for sure, the offseason just didn’t sit right with me. I’ll get over it if he’s good and less than $1 million to keep though
The sad part is, he probably would’ve had the same (or maybe a slightly reduced role) if we brought in a transfer. Pretty sure Ogbole would’ve been moved down in the rotation by now
Unfortunately, not a single player on the team really even has an attachment to Rutgers as a student. Like you said, one and done freshmen, bad portal pickups here for 1 semester so far, and freshman recruits likely to chase money from other schools after season. So no one really cares about representing the school.
You’re really saying his success was based on luck?? My word…..
I agree: Geo Ron, Caleb worked hard. They were our leaders that had to work hard…which rubs to the entire team.
Do you think Ace and Dylan really have to work hard??
No..they just need to continue to do what they’ve been doing and they’re set. Again…not the type of players, it seems, that Pike excels with
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