Agree. Which is why one and dones, or transfers, don’t really work in pikes system. Get back to how you ran things years ago - it may not work in today’s environment - but let’s see. It’s how you’ve been successful
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Agree. Which is why one and dones, or transfers, don’t really work in pikes system. Get back to how you ran things years ago - it may not work in today’s environment - but let’s see. It’s how you’ve been successful
“No moh….uh, no moh, no moh, uh no moh…..” - Phil Collins
Is Pike fired within a year or so possibly In The Air Tonight?
RU making the Big 10 tourney is it Against All Odds?
Watching JWill play slip and slide on the floor makes us say Sussusudio?
Does Pike want to leave RU after this season and scream out “Take Me Home”?
Pike went against his true colors of defense first and has he created a team that Is In a Land of Confusion?
Does Pike have the Invisible Touch to Turn It On Again to find Another Day In Paradise?……..That’s All
I am bored, this team bores me even more so hence the references, beats analyzing this team.
Is Pike fired within a year or so possibly In The Air Tonight?
RU making the Big 10 tourney is it Against All Odds?
Watching JWill play slip and slide on the floor makes us say Sussusudio?
Does Pike want to leave RU after this season and scream out “Take Me Home”?
Pike went against his true colors of defense first and has he created a team that Is In a Land of Confusion?
Does Pike have the Invisible Touch to Turn It On Again to find Another Day In Paradise?……..That’s All
I am bored, this team bores me even more so hence the references, beats analyzing this team.
Yes, some luck. Lightning in a bottle. Now you’ve seen over the last couple of years he can’t coach offense, he can’t run rotations, there’s no plan, no discipline, no accountability. How about these players, are they his type of players:
Miller
Reiber
Oskar
Agee
Doucore
Fernandes
Griffiths
Jaden Jones
Chol
Simpson
Woolfolk
I agree and sadly the thought had crossed my mind even before the season. Pike completely gutted the team and put it on auto-pilot just for these 2 one and dones, and I kept questioning what would be in it for Rutgers if we didn't capitalize and all we had to show were 2 draft picks. Nightmare came true. When I say "gutted" I mean that he went away from the culture and philosophy and players that built the identity of the program.
The draft talk to me was about as interesting as the TV deal money debates that people get so into. Not really relevant to me as a fan. Of course I'd love for these guys to be drafted and be successful. But with one year, and a bad one, it doesn't carry the same weight as when a guy like Monangai will do it. Or Pacheco etc. Or Ron Jr.
If these guys were going to be here even 2 years it would mean more. But it's over already and it was just OK.
Not sure where we go from here. Esp in this new world. It's not fun the way basketball has been handled. I'd prefer the way Schiano does things. But I know its not possible in babasketballmy tickets havent gotten much use this year, and I don't know how much longer I'll be a basketball season ticket holder. Just bc of the new way the game is.
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You’re just gonna list his worst players? Can’t we do this for any coach??
But no..of course they weren’t. I think he liked Oskar - but no one else
Sorry, but Geo and Ron Jr didn’t play team offense either. They were often effective in 1:1 iso and made big shots but let’s not say the offense was different. Geo was Simpson with a much better shooting %
The only recent player who was a willing passer was Mulcahy.
His worst players. That’s a whole roster worth of misses in just the last few years. His recruiting hits peaked in March 2021. It’s four years later. What players do we have to lean on, to build on, this year and forward?
Maybe our AD should have spoke up and said hey guys that’s there weeks without a home game.
Again… name another school where this happens. I’m waiting.
Oh yeah last 4-6 away.
Maybe our AD was asleep at the wheel….
The year we almost beat Houston we ran a horns set and some structured offense. Yes Geo and RHJ did run a bit of iso. But this is complete chaos now.
I don’t know. But to blame a crazy big ten conference schedule on our AD is head scratching. That s he Duke is made by the conference
That song is by The Brains. I like it better than the Cyndi Lauper cover version.
Throwin It All Away because I Cant Dance so We Said Hello Goodbye to a dear old friend. And we packed our bags and left feeling sad. Its the only way
Just to put things into perspective, the players that Pike developed including Geo, Caleb, and RHJ in today's world would have been just as likely to transfer in order to collect a bigger paycheck. There is no loyalty anymore.
Pike must be kicking himself right now that he got caught up in this one and done mess.
Jay Wright said he never targeted "one and dones" and now we can all see why.
Next season Pike has three freshman coming in and they will have no significant immediate impact.
So basically, he has to go into the transfer portal and pick up at least four Big10 caliber players at the appropriate positions that are not there to be developed, but to play well enough to win. Also remember, he will be competing against most teams doing the same.
We can beat a dead horse to death, but it seems obvious to most that Pike is not cut out for this new era of coaching.
It's not fun for him and not for the fans.
Pike must be kicking himself right now that he got caught up in this one and done mess.
Jay Wright said he never targeted "one and dones" and now we can all see why.
Next season Pike has three freshman coming in and they will have no significant immediate impact.
So basically, he has to go into the transfer portal and pick up at least four Big10 caliber players at the appropriate positions that are not there to be developed, but to play well enough to win. Also remember, he will be competing against most teams doing the same.
We can beat a dead horse to death, but it seems obvious to most that Pike is not cut out for this new era of coaching.
It's not fun for him and not for the fans.
Fair point
$1 mil for Lathan?!?!
If that's true, Rutgers is hopeless forever
Well they have 1
Minnesota is 2..at Washington a possible 3rd.
Yes i believe they will have something in them to get an unexpected win or 2 beyond that
I think you have to give him another 2 - and he’s going to get it. If he is able to keep most of the talent on the roster, pepper in some freshman and get back to recruiting kids who aren’t lotto picks who will be with us for a few years before cashing in.
The Carino article was spot on. With his past teams, the sum was more than the parts. This season, the parts are more than the sum.
I hate it but if the numbers last year were accurate it wouldn’t surprise me. It might take another year though.
He’s having a better freshman year than Cliff statistically and while different from Myles’ (defensive vs. offensive), I’d argue it’s comparable (again, statistically).
Pike's recruiting success isn't even as good as his other major faults. This guy bats like 250 at best. Sure he got the Harpers, Cliff, Paul, Cam, and Geo but what's the success rate over all the players he's brought in over 9 seasons? There have been WAY too many misses vs. hits.
It's a long shot, but maybe, just maybe Pikes learned a few lessons with this year. He and Schiano are pretty tight, and maybe Greg can show him how to work the portal. The question is, what kind of NIL budget does basketball have?
There are plenty programs who know what they will have next year. Purdue, Illinois, Michigan St, Michigan. They know how to use the portal and have great talent evaluators
His way can't work anymore. As soon as you develop the players into good Big10 guys, they will get swept away in the portal. There is no more loyalty, no matter how much a coach has done for a kid.
If that's true, it's really gonna be hard to keep interested. And I honestly wouldn't care if RU gave up on that type of thing. I mean Lathan is a nice player w potential but com'on.
Unless you have NIL coffers to keep them. In the pregame interview on the radio, he mentioned that Purdue was a strong team with veterans and "must have a great collective" (or something like that) ... my feeling is that was a tell toward his frustration at not having resources to retain guys.
I agree that we need to accept the fact that this team is going no where. It is poorly constructed, doesn't play team defense and rebound and alarmingly seems to be getting worse as the season progresses since the team plays soft in a very physical tough league. I personally like Pike a lot. Terrific character guy and deserves credit for reviving our basketball program. But if there's one thing he can be criticized for, it is his recruiting misses and poor judge of talent. Just look at this year's team--yes he recruited Ace and Dylan but unfortunately the rest of the parts just don't fit. Last year's team was awful and totally lacking in talent. None of the transfers other than Cliff ( Gavin isn't even playing at Nebraska) went to a top program and the two players that did return , JWill and JMIke, have limited skillsets and should not start. That's it --of the last two teams only Cliff, Ace and Dylan are legit talents that could start for any top program. The other unfortunate thing is that today's college basketball is all-offense and Pike is an all-defense guy. To make matters worse, with the portal and constant roster turnover, it's hard to develop players and teach defense when you may have player for only one or two seasons. Has Pike's time at Rutgers reached a plateau ? Quite possibly.
Exactly. Start again with this plan -
The same exact thing happened with Jay Wright. He then went back to "his guys" and had overwhelming success.
basically nothing
It's a long shot, but maybe, just maybe Pikes learned a few lessons with this year. He and Schiano are pretty tight, and maybe Greg can show him how to work the portal. The question is, what kind of NIL budget does basketball have?
Disagree -
Right on our campus, GS gets "lesser" players in, develops them, gets NIL retention money, and puts a hard nosed winning product on the field.
That's what we need to do with MBB.
It's abit easier to deal with football departures to the portal. Losing 4 guys from an 85 man roster isn't the same as losing 4 guys from a 12 man roster. Also, there's less churn in NCAA football in general then there is in basketball.
the recruiting has just been poor overall. Yes you need top 100 players...but the issue is Pike evaluation of the top 100 players he landed turned out to be disasters...see Jaden Jones and Gavin Griffiths. After them the bottom drops out with recruits and we are recruiting non factors like Jalen Miller or Dean Reiber or Oskar. I would also contend Pike did not do well by adding transfers like Hyatt and J Will who needed to contribute more to the program than just okay. Too many of those. Pike struck it rich with Geo/Caleb/Ron but that was a unique moment. He did land Yeboah and Cam but totally whiffing on portal for 2 years straight.
This year of course Ace/Dylan and of course the family relationship with the Harpers helped but do not fool yourselves, RU landed them because it provided a place to showcase their skills where they would have carte blanche with no accountability and would be the main show. Its a big mistake and yes we need to monday morning quarterback and for me I am saying Pike should not have done it because now we set the program back at least a few years and I do not think Pike has a few years to turn things around. The NIL world is immediate. Pike will have to be a wizard next year. I fear he will still get a 2nd year after that because our fans have such loyalty to medicority and thinking that 15-16 next year is progression. I have never seen a fanbase overrated recruits like this board. The blind loyalty and the clinging to a player being able to hit a basket or grab a board in a game gets them undeserving praise.
Damn, you are dumb. Do you think Mich State would ever get a schedule like that. Coach and AD would be all over the Big Ten clowns and things would be changed. Rutgers is the pussy program. Demand respect and you might get it.
People say Pike wanted the Michigan State game at MSG....I completely say that is BULLSHIT...its a nice story to put out there but this is a coach that has explictly said he does not like to schedule tough. Vegas was an opportunity for $$$ so that was happening no matter want. Kennesaw State was some ridiculous scheduled game to satisfy a one year rental player. Princeton another huge blunder and also the story about wanting to schedule an OOC game at MSG bunk
well they rooked us into paying $100 a ticket for a game at MSG which adding up train tix and food will end up costing everyone $180...what the ****,
well they rooked us into paying $100 a ticket for a game at MSG which adding up train tix and food will end up costing everyone $180...what the ****,
Just some perspective, too, on player retention/etc. Painter has done a great job - and Pike credited Purdue's NIL Collective prior to the game.
# of minutes/gamesplayed under Painter for his rotation:
2963 min / 90 games - Braden Smith
2594 min / 90 games - Fletcher Loyer
1705 min / 121 games - Caleb Furst
1532 min / 90 games - Trey Kaufman Renn
820 min / 55 games - Camden Heide
583 min / 47 games - Myles Colvin
261 min / 16 games - Gicarri Harris (Fr)
240 min / 16 games - CJ Cox (Fr)
148 min / 25 games - Will Berg
112 min / 14 games - Raleigh Burgess (Fr)
Every single one of these guys has only ever played for Purdue - not a single portal player in their 10 man rotation. Furst/Kaufman-Renn in their 4th year, Smith/Loyer in their 3rd, and Colvin/Burg in their 2nd.... with 3 freshmen working their way in.
Compare to Rutgers this year, and the # of minutes/games played under Pikiell
1009 min / 47 games - Jamichael Davis
683 min / 27 games - Jeremiah Williams
488 min / 15 games - Dylan Harper (Fr)
465 min / 14 games - Ace Bailey (Fr)
365 min / 16 games - Jordan Derkack
313 min / 16 games - Lathan Sommerville (Fr)
308 min / 26 games - Emmanuel Ogbole
233 min / 14 games - Zach Martini
227 min / 16 games - Tyson Acuff
51 min / 5 games - Dylan Grant (Fr)
199 min / 16 games - PJ Hayes
The only player we have that has even seen a full season's worth of games (30) under Pike is Davis. And half of these guys will be gone in March with a new crop coming next season.
# of minutes/gamesplayed under Painter for his rotation:
2963 min / 90 games - Braden Smith
2594 min / 90 games - Fletcher Loyer
1705 min / 121 games - Caleb Furst
1532 min / 90 games - Trey Kaufman Renn
820 min / 55 games - Camden Heide
583 min / 47 games - Myles Colvin
261 min / 16 games - Gicarri Harris (Fr)
240 min / 16 games - CJ Cox (Fr)
148 min / 25 games - Will Berg
112 min / 14 games - Raleigh Burgess (Fr)
Every single one of these guys has only ever played for Purdue - not a single portal player in their 10 man rotation. Furst/Kaufman-Renn in their 4th year, Smith/Loyer in their 3rd, and Colvin/Burg in their 2nd.... with 3 freshmen working their way in.
Compare to Rutgers this year, and the # of minutes/games played under Pikiell
1009 min / 47 games - Jamichael Davis
683 min / 27 games - Jeremiah Williams
488 min / 15 games - Dylan Harper (Fr)
465 min / 14 games - Ace Bailey (Fr)
365 min / 16 games - Jordan Derkack
313 min / 16 games - Lathan Sommerville (Fr)
308 min / 26 games - Emmanuel Ogbole
233 min / 14 games - Zach Martini
227 min / 16 games - Tyson Acuff
51 min / 5 games - Dylan Grant (Fr)
199 min / 16 games - PJ Hayes
The only player we have that has even seen a full season's worth of games (30) under Pike is Davis. And half of these guys will be gone in March with a new crop coming next season.
That's how we elevated a program to heights that could land Ace and Dylan
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