It's going to have to happen. In most years, at least one P5 champion has 2 losses. It's rare for all 5 to have 1/0 loss. That essentially means one conference will be out right off the bat. Then you have no guarantee that the other four will have a playoff contender among them. (For example, in the last 5 years, there have been multiple 2-loss P5 champs 3 times.) That means that there will be several times in which one spot is open to an at large team, most likely from the same conference.
B1G over hyped?
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It's going to have to happen. In most years, at least one P5 champion has 2 losses. It's rare for all 5 to have 1/0 loss. That essentially means one conference will be out right off the bat. Then you have no guarantee that the other four will have a playoff contender among them. (For example, in the last 5 years, there have been multiple 2-loss P5 champs 3 times.) That means that there will be several times in which one spot is open to an at large team, most likely from the same conference.
If those conferences have championship games, it renders the regular season meaningless when you put a team that didn't even win their conference in the playoff. Like what happened with Alabama a few years ago. They didn't even win their division, and LSU, who beat them in the regular season, wound up having to play them in the National Championship game.
That doesn't render the regular season meaningless. That's a silly argument. For one, those teams might be in different divisions, and thus may not have played each other. Aside from that, the regular season certainly wasn't meaningless, because the wildcard team still had to win most of its games to get consideration. By your logic, the same argument could be made by letting in a conference champ with 2 or 3 losses.
This is true bias, SG, please explain this with a straight face:
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN 12h12 hours ago
Somehow, Auburn (2-2) received 8 votes & Tennessee (2-2) 2 votes in this week’s Coaches Poll
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN 12h12 hours agoSomehow, Auburn (2-2) received 8 votes & Tennessee (2-2) 2 votes in this week’s Coaches Poll
This is true bias, SG, please explain this with a straight face:
Somehow, Auburn (2-2) received 8 votes & Tennessee (2-2) 2 votes in this week’s Coaches Poll
Those were not votes to place those teams in the top 5. Those were votes for position #25 probably. Just because a team lost this past weekend does NOT make them a bad team. Arkansas gets to play both of those teams soon.
I'll be better informed about the quality of their football soon.
This is just another reason why there should NOT be a poll until AFTER week 5 of the season.
Would I have made that vote for either team? Nope.
haha.. you know how it works.. only an SEC fan would thinking 2 Big Ten teams from the same division at numbers 1-2 in the poll would equate to two playoff spots. One of these teams will win the division. And, if they also win the conference championship game they will be in the playoffs.
I would love it if Big Ten fans could try to match the propaganda and bluster of the SEC fans, but I think they might be too rational to assume we are getting 2 playoff spots until undefeated teams from the east and west, at numbers 1-2 in the polls, meet in the Big Ten Championship game and end up going to OT.. in a well-played game.
I wouldn't call it hype at all. 10 teams in the top 25 is hype. 2 teams in the top 2 is just a byproduct of the system. OSU started as 1 and they're the defending national champ and since they haven't lost they're not going to drop in the poll. Same as FSU last year. MSU had teams in front of them lose so they moved up as well.
This isn't the playoff poll, it's the AP poll. You start where you start and as long as you don't lose you'll move up if others in front of you lose.
I do agree OSU/MSU aren't looking all that dominant but how many teams are? Baylor? Played cupcakes so far. UCLA has looked good but they struggled a bit with BYU too. Impressive AZ win. LSU struggled a bit with Syracuse although game wasn't really in doubt. Georgia? They've been pretty good. Ole Miss? Had some issues with Vandy but nice win at Alabama. TCU? They weren't dominant over Minn/Texas Tech. ND? They've looked good. Any body else?
I think you could argue for some of these other teams but this poll is setup in such a way that preseason polls at the beginning without any games having been played matter. Having a little less than 1/2 the poll come from one conference and 10 out of 14 teams ranked is hype, 2 teams in the top 2 spots considering where they started isn't hype IMO.
The playoff polls will take into account a body of work up to each week and that's the one that counts. I still don't think 2 teams will be taken from the same conference. I'd like to see those situations discussed above where the conference champ had 2 losses and the #2 from another conference had 1 and see if might have happened. Don't feel like looking it up though. It could happen but I think it would have to be almost undeniable for that #2 team from a conference. I think a 2 loss conference winner would still in most circumstances have an edge over a 1 loss #2 from a different conference. If that #2 had a really great SOS and maybe a close loss in champ game or something maybe but like I said I think it would have to be almost undeniable to take 2 from one conference. There would be a big uproar otherwise and actually I'd think we'd move to 8 teams sooner rather than later if that happened.
This isn't the playoff poll, it's the AP poll. You start where you start and as long as you don't lose you'll move up if others in front of you lose.
I do agree OSU/MSU aren't looking all that dominant but how many teams are? Baylor? Played cupcakes so far. UCLA has looked good but they struggled a bit with BYU too. Impressive AZ win. LSU struggled a bit with Syracuse although game wasn't really in doubt. Georgia? They've been pretty good. Ole Miss? Had some issues with Vandy but nice win at Alabama. TCU? They weren't dominant over Minn/Texas Tech. ND? They've looked good. Any body else?
I think you could argue for some of these other teams but this poll is setup in such a way that preseason polls at the beginning without any games having been played matter. Having a little less than 1/2 the poll come from one conference and 10 out of 14 teams ranked is hype, 2 teams in the top 2 spots considering where they started isn't hype IMO.
The playoff polls will take into account a body of work up to each week and that's the one that counts. I still don't think 2 teams will be taken from the same conference. I'd like to see those situations discussed above where the conference champ had 2 losses and the #2 from another conference had 1 and see if might have happened. Don't feel like looking it up though. It could happen but I think it would have to be almost undeniable for that #2 team from a conference. I think a 2 loss conference winner would still in most circumstances have an edge over a 1 loss #2 from a different conference. If that #2 had a really great SOS and maybe a close loss in champ game or something maybe but like I said I think it would have to be almost undeniable to take 2 from one conference. There would be a big uproar otherwise and actually I'd think we'd move to 8 teams sooner rather than later if that happened.
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While at the same time, makes Michigan's only loss this season appear much better.
Alabama and LSU were in the same division. And if a conferece has a championship game, the two division winners would play each other. In the year of the all SEC National Championship game, there were two other one loss conference winners that were bypassed for a team that didn't even win the division in their conference. That at least renders conference championship games meaningless.
Personally, 6 team playoff ... Each P5 champ + highest ranked G5 ... NFL Playoff style where top 2 get byes.
Losing a conference championship will make it hard to get in the playoffs. If you look at BCS teams much easier to be 1 loss and #2 in your division missing the championship game to get in.
Remember early losses are much to overcome then late. Bad for Ohio/Michigan State that they play week 12 of 13. Good side is a 1 vs 2 loss can't hurt that much.
Remember early losses are much to overcome then late. Bad for Ohio/Michigan State that they play week 12 of 13. Good side is a 1 vs 2 loss can't hurt that much.
No way G5 gets a guaranteed spot with no at large. 6 would still be ranked based - need 8 teams or 6 with only 4 guaranteed conferences before power champs lock a spot.
I understand Alabama & LSU were in the same division. I was talking in generic terms. You are also wrong about 2011. Oklahoma St was the only conference champ with 1 loss. Oregon had 2 losses, Wisconsin had 2, and Clemson had 3. (West Virginia also had 3 losses from the Big East.) You also misunderstood my point about teams in different divisions. The 2nd place team in Division A could go 11-1, without having played the conference champ from Division B. (This happened in the Big 12 one year, when Kansas went 11-1 without playing Oklahoma.) Doesn't render the conference championship meaningless either. LSU wouldn't have made the title game had they lost to Georgia. Oklahoma St would have taken their place. You're just too hung up on this idea.
Southern G. I tried very hard to root the Hogs into a win on Saturday .I got ya'll a missed FG at the end of regulation. Turned off the game at that time and said"I did my best the rest is up to them" But Them didn't get it done. Sorry. The team did look good and the season is still young.
Beaced,
It is NOT your fault! And I am even having a hard time blaming our QB, Brandon Allen. I have blamed Brandon for each of the past 2 years but he is playing fairly well this year. Well, at least for the 1st half he is.
I think Arkansas's problem is the lack of imagination in our play calling and the woeful performance by our defense. Combine that with our propensity for garnering holding calls and you have the reason that Arkansas sits at 1-3.
The only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is that we play Tennessee this Saturday. They have been folding in the 4th quarter faster than a tent bought at a surplus store.
Beaced,
It is NOT your fault! And I am even having a hard time blaming our QB, Brandon Allen. I have blamed Brandon for each of the past 2 years but he is playing fairly well this year. Well, at least for the 1st half he is.
I think Arkansas's problem is the lack of imagination in our play calling and the woeful performance by our defense. Combine that with our propensity for garnering holding calls and you have the reason that Arkansas sits at 1-3.
The only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is that we play Tennessee this Saturday. They have been folding in the 4th quarter faster than a tent bought at a surplus store.
Southern almost had you hook, line, and sinker, but I'm pretty sure your Facetious Meter is tuned juuuuuust high enough to realize Southern doesn't want to talk actual football due to Brandon Allen.
I may just have to leave my love for the Hogs alone for the rest of the year or at least Brandon Allen graduates. Brandon is our version of Gary Nova. It's a love/hate relationship.
I picked up on this in your very first post...lol. Good one.
As a CANES fan, I after years of trying to figure out why ESPN turned every college football show into an SEC love fest, I had to finally give up. Now, I'm realizing what RU fans say about the BTN...lol. It's OSU MSU or UM... ugh.. come on ACC Network...lol.
Oh yes. Last season I cursed so much that she put a jar in the room so that I every time I did, I had to put a dollar in it.
We are going to Australia in February!
Why have 8 teams and make it easier? The difficulty of the 4 team playoff is what makes it fun. We always rush to water something down in this country so more people can be included.
4 power conferences of 16-18 schools each, 4 (regional) conf champs play in the playoff. East (ACC), North (B1G), South (SEC) West (PAC). In this system, conference championship games MEAN SOMETHING. Regular season games, MEAN SOMETHING. Make it happen.
4 power conferences of 16-18 schools each, 4 (regional) conf champs play in the playoff. East (ACC), North (B1G), South (SEC) West (PAC). In this system, conference championship games MEAN SOMETHING. Regular season games, MEAN SOMETHING. Make it happen.
Actually, if they remain undefeated until they meet up, the loser will fall out of contention, unless all the other P5 teams have 2 losses. MSU got a big boost by beating Oregon. That doesn't look so impressive now. If you want to see overhyped, look who was ranked before they played a game and where they are now.
I suppose the one benefit of making OOC a glorified scrimmage would be fewer cupcake games. Might as well play USC or Florida State in it won't harm your chances of making the playoff.
Go notify the B12 and get the work done to move their schools to fit your vision.
Still the confereces would note agree to guaranting those 4 champions into a 4 team play-off. It would probably become the defacto standard a majority of the time.
Not arguing that at all.
In the next 2-3 years one of the following should happen (in order of probability):
1. B12 collapses
2. Expand playoffs to 6 teams
3. ACC collapses
I agree. I think the Big 12 goes down first because it just doesn't have the history and "old guard" the ACC does. 6 team playoff may work but I'm opposed to 8.
LOL. You are going to stir things up by giving us facts!
But it still goes back to my thought that no poll is worth paying attention to until after the 5th week of the season.
