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OK here we go the 2nd week NCAA bubble breakdown with the first pecking order. Comments or jeers always welcomed

Here are the 32 projected automatic bid winners...



AMERICA EAST: Albany


AMERICAN: SMU


ATLANTIC 10: Dayton


ACC: Virginia


ATLANTIC SUN: Northern Florida


BIG 12: Kansas


BIG EAST: Villanova


BIG SKY: Sacramento State


BIG SOUTH: High Point


BIG 10: Wisconsin


BIG WEST: UC Davis


COLONIAL: Northeastern


CUSA: Louisiana Tech


HORIZON: Valparaiso


IVY: Harvard


MAAC: Iona


MAC: Central Michigan


MEAC: North Carolina Central


MVC: Wichita State


MWC: Boise State


NEC: St Francis NY


OHIO VALLEY: Murray State


PAC 12: Arizona


PATRIOT: Bucknell


SEC: Kentucky


SOUTHERN: Wofford


SOUTHLAND: Stephen F Austin


SWAC: Texas Southern


SUMMIT: South Dakota State


SUN BELT: Georgia Southern


WCC: Gonzaga





18 schools that I have identified as at large locks....





Duke, Notre Dame, Louisville, North Carolina, Iowa State, Baylor, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Maryland, Northern Iowa, Utah, Arkansas, Georgetown, Providence, Butler, St John's, Virginia Commonwealth, San Diego State





that takes care of 50 of the 68 bids. I have identified 30 schools competing for just 18 bids. Here is the bubble pecking order....


IN





1. (42) INDIANA 19-10: Hooisers missed an opportunity to lock in as they suffered a head scratching loss at Northwestern last week continuing their pattern of up down up down up down. While its not the kind of loss a bubble team would want this late, Indy's profile still stands out on this list. They picked up solid non conference wins over SMU, Pitt and Butler. In the Big 10 they knocked off Maryland and bubbles Ohio State and Illinois. 5-6 vs rpi top 50 and 8-9 vs top 100 are very good numbers as is their SOS of 32. Two negatives are the road/neutral mark at 4-8 and getting swept by Purdue. Two more chances for quality wins at home vs Iowa and Michigan State and cannot see them being left out barring losing both of those AND losing their first round Big 10 tourney game.




2. (32) GEORGIA 19-9: Bulldogs completed the season sweep by winning at Ole Miss over the weekend to move to the top of the SEC bubble pecking order. While they do not have any top 25 wins, wins at Texas A&M and Kansas State are pretty good and the 9-7 mark vs rpi top 100 is one of the best you will find on this list. They have a chance to make it academic if they can win at home vs Kentucky but the thinking is they don't need that as long as they don't suffer a bad loss to complete the season at Auburn. Remember they already lost to them and got swept by So Carolina





3. (48) IOWA 19-10: Hawkeyes have taken care of business the last two weeks including a crucial win over Illinois last week. This week offers a trip to Indiana and then a rematch with Northwestern who represent the only bad loss on their resume. Beating Indy locks them in but even a win over Northwestern should be enough. RPI stuff is solid.....SOS of 28, 4-6 vs top 50 and 7-9 vs top 100. The win at North Carolina OOC and the sweep of Ohio State as well as their win over Maryland are resume standouts. Looking good to go.





4. (45) LSU 21-8: Huge huge win over Ole Miss that completed the season sweep of the Rebels moves the Tigers very close. Now 4-4 vs rpi top 50 and an outstanding 11-5 vs top 100, they have wins at WVU and UMass. 3 bad losses to Auburn, Missouri and Mississippi State do drag down their profile a bit. However, this is a team that just passes the eye test. Don't think that 2 point loss to Kentucky isn't paying off even as a loss. Tigers finish off with a home tilt vs Tennessee and a trip to Arkansas. The latter of course would give them another quality win to lock them in but as long as they win the former they should feel good without having to do much in the SEC tourney





5. (31) MICHIGAN STATE 19-10: One of 6 Big 10 bubbles, a closer inspection of the Spartans resume gives me some pause. Its pretty unspectacular for a school used to being a NCAA lock. While the SOS is a strong 23. They have no top 25 victories. Their best OOC win was Loyola of Illinois. They have a bad loss to Texas Southern. They didn't beat the top 2 teams in the league in Wisky and Maryland. The 3-6 mark vs top 50 and 6-8 vs top 100 are sort of middling. They do have 4 quality league wins...Indiana, at Iowa, Ohio State, and at Ilinois though and that still gives them a cushion over the rest of the weak bubble field. Very important week coming up with games vs Purdue and at Indiana. Cannot afford to lose both or they would need a strong Big 10 tourney run to feel safe.





6. (43) OKLAHOMA STATE 16-11: Hard to figure out what happened here. The Cowboys were rolling along coming off a feather in their cap win over Kansas but now have lost 4 straight including two hideous losses to TCU and Texas Tech. The nitty gritty stuff is all more than willing...SOS of 16...3 top 25 wins, 6-7 vs top 50 and 8-9 vs top 100. Note sweeps over Baylor and Texas and a solid win over Tulsa. Yet their Big 10 mark is just 7-9, they made history last year as the first 8-10 school from the Big 12 to make the NCAA tourney. The slide has to stop and that means avoiding another loss to TCU. They may not have to win at WVU in their last game but if they do not they will be putting themselves at the mercy of the bubble around or will need a complete reversal of fortune in the Big 12 tournament.





7. (41) XAVIER 18-12: Missed a shot at a feather in their cap win but lost at home to Villanova but the loss earlier in the week at St John's was the one that really hurt. It meant two losses to SJU who has now vaulted to lock status and left the Muskateers as the only BE bubble left. Still there are good things to see here led by that SOS of 14. Then you have the 4 top 25 wins...4-6 vs top 50 and 9-8 vs top 100. A sweep over Gtown, sneaky good wins over projected NCAA autobid winners SF Austin and Murray State. The loss total of 12 is a concern here as they cannot afford another loss at Creighton in regular season finale and then another loss in the BE tourney..that would give them 14 and that does stand out no matter how good their wins were. That's when the bad losses to the likes of De Paul, Creighton and Auburn come in.





8. (50) NORTH CAROLINA STATE 17-12: Wolfpack keep shooting themselves in the foot. 2 road wins at Louisville and UNC seemingly locked them in given that earlier win over Duke but then they go out and loss badly to weak sister Boston College. Its not fatal though. I mean those aforementioned wins are sparkling and then you throw in that win over MWC leader Boise State, plus solid wins vs Pitt, Richmond and La Tech and the wins are strong enough to get them in. 5-5 vs top 50 and 7-10 vs top 100 and the SOS of 5 keeps giving and giving. Still like with Xavier you worry about the overall loss total. Its 12 now. A trip to Clemson who already beat NCState and Syracuse close the season. These are tough games where any trip ups are going to start taking away from the positives on the resume.





9. (33) OHIO STATE 21-8: Not a good week for them as they dropped road trips to both the Michigan schools. Buckeyes resume is a little lacking so despite their overall rpi number and record they find themselves a little further down on this list then they would like. Just 1-2 vs top 25 (Maryland) and a paltry 2-6 vs top 50. That's very surprising for a Big 10 school. The 7-8 mark vs top 100 is better and is reflected in wins over fellow bubbles Indiana, Illinois and Purdue. Their best OOC win is High Point. In their favor is they havent suffered a bad loss all year long and that counts. The SOS of 88 is sort of meh and the 3-7 road/neutral mark stands out. If this was pre 68 tourney days, they really would need to be worried but the feeling here is if they can get that win at Penn State, it will take some strange circumstances to knock them out. Of course they could also go out and make it academic by knocking off league leading Wisconsin.





10. (47) MISSISSIPPI 19-10: In one week the Rebels went from feeling really peachy to feeling really worried. Losses to SEC bubbles Georgia and LSU not only were missed opportunities to pick up their last quality wins before the SEC tourney, it also meant Ole Miss went 0-4 vs those schools..ouch. The rpi stuff is still solid 3-7 vs top 50 and 7-7 vs top 100 with a SOS of 35. Key quality wins against bubbles Oregon, at Cincy and over Texas A&M with their best win at Arkansas. Note the road/neutral mark strength at 10-4. Bama and a trip to Vandy are next and if they can win both they probably can relax a little but still I would like to see them get another quality win in the SEC tourney just to be sure.





11. (58) PURDUE 19-10: Might be the most talked about bubble team because of the contrasts here on the profile. At 11-5 in the Big 10, they have clearly demonstrated they are a worthy NCAA selection. They swept Indiana, beat Iowa and Ohio State, and avoided bad losses Non conference wins over bubbles BYU and NC State are solid. Those marks of 6-4 vs 8-8 vs top 100 are as about as good as you will find on the bubble. So then whats the issu? Well its the Boilermaker's shaky early season non conference performances which included losses to the likes of North Florida and Gardner Webb as well as Vanderbilt. Honestly I think its overblown by some bracketologists. The wins are there and the resume is strong. A trip to Michigan State and a home tilt with Illinois remain. Win both and they are in, split and they look pretty good. Lose both and that's when those losses get looked at and they would need a strong Big 10 tourney run.





12. (51) CINCINNATI 20-9: Some good things to like here but on the flip side some bad. The Bearcats face a huge tilt against suprising bubble Tulsa on the road. There are 4 AAC teams in contention for bids, SMU the projected AAC winner, Cincy, Tulsa and Temple but in the end this league will only get 3 bids at most. Very important for Cincy to stay ahead of the other bubbles and get that win. A key here was a sweep over SMU to go along with a split at Temple. OOC wins at NC State and San Diego State are very good. 5-4 vs top 50 is a plus and 6-6 vs top 100 is solid enough. The problem with the Bearcats are those bad losses....ECU, Tulane and Nebraska. There is enough reason to be worried so making the AAC tourney finals may be required here.





13. (34) OREGON 21-8: A strong overall rpi number on an otherwise unspectacular resume. Still at 12-5, the Ducks are now in 2nd place in the Pac 10 and have won 10 of their last 12. Biggest win is Utah and throw in wins over bubbles Illinois and UCLA but that win over Stanford this weekend really helped. The bad losses to the Washington schools were early in the Pac 10 season. A trip to Oregon State remains and they need that one plus some wins in the Pac 12 tourney to shore things up. Just 1-4 vs top 50, the 8-6 mark vs top 100 is good on the surface but some mediocre schools including in there





14. (39) TEMPLE 20-9: Owls should be feel worried with the recent Tulsa surge. Owls got swept not only by Tulsa but also by SMU. As said earlier this conference is not getting 4 bids so going 0-4 vs those schools and only splitting with Cincy hurts. How much giving are they going to get from that Kansas win back in December. Other than that you have the Cincy win and a win over CUSA leader La Tech but the feeling is this resume is lacking some oomph. They are just 1-6 vs top 50 and 6-8 vs top 100...and are hoping that both Cincy and La Tech can break into that top 50. That bad loss to rival St Joes sticks out. Owls finish at ECU and home to UConn. Both are must wins and then they would do themselves well to reach the AAC finals or they really will be sweating things out.





15. (26) COLORADO STATE 23-5: Rams continue to win but they also keep moving toward the last in line as well. The overall win total is gaudy and the overall rpi is outstanding at 26 but digging deeper here indicates some red flags. CSU's best non conference win is Georgia State. They split with both BSU and SDSU and that's it for games against top 50 schools. 10 of their wins are to plus 200 rpi schools. They got swept by fading Wyoming and have a bad loss at New Mexico. How much does the committee balance their record and overall rpi vs a thin profile. And now to make matters worse Boise has leapfrogged into the filed as the projected MWC winner. With SDSU projected as an at large lock, it puts the Rams in a precarious situation. They cannot afford to trip up on the road at Nevada and Utah State and will need to make the MWC finals to maintain their spot on the good side of the bubble.





16. (38) TEXAS A&M 20-8: Aggies missed a shot at a much needed quality win but fell at Arkansas. Unfortunately for them the last two of Alabama and Florida will not move the needle all that much. They are riding on just two quality wins...both over LSU. Certainly they are being helped by Tigers moving into the rpi top 50 but is that enough to get them in. Their best OOC win was Sam Houston. Yes the conference mark of 11-5 is good enough for 3rd but numbers of 2-6 vs top 50 and 6-8 vs top 100 are less than middling. Note the losses to bubbles Dayton, Ole Miss and Georgia. Perhaps their biggest positive is that they do not have any losses to schools outside the top 100. In such a soft weak bubble that's good enough to keep them in for now but they better have a strong run in the SEC tourney to maintain their status.





17. (52) UCLA 18-12: Bruins SOS of 25 is helping them for now but they simply need to spruce up their resume. With only a game left vs bottom feeder USC that means perhaps they will have to make a deep Pac 12 tourney run. While the win against Utah is good, its their only top 25 win and the win over Oregon makes just two top 50 wins...2-6. The 5-10 mark vs top 100 is sloppy and the 3-11 road neutral mark is a huge red flag. That sweep over Stanford puts them ahead of the Cardinal if it came down to that. So they are in for now but with so many holes in their profile and a very fluid bubble its not that great of a place to be.





18. (39) BYU 21-8: Well it was do or die for the Cougars at Gonzaga on Saturday and the Cougars did...becoming only the 2nd team to defeat the Zags. The win was enough to push BYU into the field for now but anything less than the WCC finals will likely push them out. Will getting to the finals even be good enough? The wins over St Marys, Stanford and UMass are good but not great wins. 1-3 vs top 50 and 4-5 vs top 100. Bad losses to Pepperdine 2x and San Diego loom large. Note the loss to bubble Purdue. There are enough reasons to leave them out. The WCC profile is poor this year as its not a top 10 conference. BYU might be better served by winning the whole WCC tourney than leave it up to chance








OUT








19. (46) TEXAS 17-12: That win over Baylor last night kept them alive. It stopped the bleeding of 4 straight losses. Still they have dropped 8 of their last 12. The Big 12 mark is just 7-10. While they still have no bad loss its still tough to overcome numbers like 3-11 vs top 50 and 6-12 vs top 100. Certainly they have been tested and scheduled strong...SOS of 9 but so so many losses against quality competition could steer the committee away from them. The Baylor win added to the total which included Iowa and West Virginia. The worst loss is to rpi 56 Stanford. Longhorns will need to beat Kansas State in their finale and hope to rehab their numbers with a couple of quality wins in the Big 12 tourney. If they can get to the semis they have a legit shot to bounce back on the right side of the bubble.





20. (58) ILLINOIS 18-11: Illini have put themselves in position for a bid but have a good amount of work to do. For one that game to close the season looms large. Just 3-7 vs top 50 and 5-10 vs top 100, they need as many quality wins as they can get. If they can get that one and maybe make it to the Big 10 semis they will have a shot, lose to Purdue and they may have to make the Big 10 finals to be considered. Some good wins here...Baylor, Maryland, Purdue, and at Michigan St. Just one bad loss at Nebraska but perhaps too many losses to teams like Minnesota, Michigan and Miami that a tourney team needs to beat. The 5-9 road/neutral mark does not help. Clearly at the bottom of the Big 10 bubble pecking order





21. (37) TULSA 21-6: Somehow the Golden Hurricanes find themselves atop the AAC with a 14-2 mark. Going to keep SMU as the autobid winner for now but a big matchup looms between those schools that will decide first place in the league. Beyond the conference mark in a league not respected for strength there is only that sweep of Temple to go on. Not sure that gets you in and the biggest OOC win is an awful Creighton. 0-3 vs top 25, 2-4 vs top 50 and 5-5 vs top 100. The SOS is a poor 119 and 10 of their wins are to plus rpi 200 schools. Before the SMU game they get Cincy at home as well. Win these two games and the profile vastly improves, lose both and they probably need to win the AAC tourney. What a huge pendulum swing week for Tulsa.





22. (36) DAVIDSON 20-6: Now tied for first with Dayton and URI they are an interesting case. The A10 is not going to get more than 3 bids. VCU is a lock whether they are the tourney winner or not. Dayton is 2nd in the pecking order. Can this conference which is so down squeeze out a third? The record and overall rpi number is nice but there is not a lot of flesh here. Just a win over Dayton and wins over so so schools like UMass, Rhody and Richmond. The biggest OOC win is only UNC Wilmington. Just 6 losses but two are bad...St Joes and St Bonnies. 0-3 vs top 25, 1-3 vs top 50 are bad. 7-4 vs top 100 is full of some mediocre conference wins. Still they have won 7 in a row and now get to host VCU and while the Rams are not in first, beating them carries some cache that will keep Davidson in contention. Fail to win that game and even a run to the A10 finals may not be enough





23. (56) STANFORD 18-10: Cardinal profile starting to sag as we head down the stretch. The win at Texas does not look as strong, they lost a huge bubble matchup vs Oregon and now both Oregon and UCLA have pulled a bit ahead of them. 0-3 vs those schools, Just 1-5 vs top 50, Stanford has just a win over Wofford who is the only likely NCAA participant on the resume. That does not cut it. They need to win at Arizona to revive their hopes. Note they also lost to BYU. They have so much work to do in the Pac 12 tourney.





24. (70) MIAMI 18-11: Hurricanes simply needed that win vs UNC but didn't get it. That win over Duke only gives so much. Besides that is wins over bubbles Illinois and NC State but nothing much else. 2-6 vs top 50 is mediocre and 6-7 vs top 100 while okay needs more Ultimately the 4 bad losses...Ga Tech, FSU, Wake and E Kentucky loom very large here. A trip to Pitt is next, the winner will keep their hopes alive, the loser will need a ACC finals tourney run to even have a chance.





25. (49) PITTSBURGH 18-11: Panthers find themselves short on quality wins as well. Beat UNC and Notre Dame in the ACC but their best win OOC is distant bubble Kansas State. 2-7 vs top 50 and 5-8 vs top 100 need a lot of help. The loss over the weekend at Wake Forest was brutal and added to their bad losses which already included Va Tech and Hawaii. The road mark at 4-9 also raises a red flag. Absolutely needs that Miami game plus the trip to FSU and then some in the ACC tourney. ACC looking like they may just get 5 bids this year.





26. (44) OLD DOMINION 22-6: I resisted somewhat in putting them on this list mainly due to the 11-5 mark in a really bad CUSA conference. Losses to the likes of Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee State, UT San Antonio, and UAB. How can a school with losses like that even be considered. Well for one have you seen how soft the underbelly of the bubble is this year. But what we need to look at with the Monarchs are what they did OOC. Wins over likely NCAA participants in LSU and VCU. They have a win over CUSA leader La Tech, also some okay wins over top 100 schools Richmond and Georgia State....6-4 vs top 100 rpi. Their best shot is to just win the CUSA tournament which they can do. Other than that winning the last two against WKentucky and Marshall and then getting to the CUSA finals will have them in consideration but its certainly a longshot even then.





27. (67) RHODE ISLAND 19-7, (61) UMASS 17-12, (65) RICHMOND 17-12: All 3 A10 schools are pretty big longshots at this point for at large bids. While URI is in a tie for first place in the A10 they have no top 50 wins and only wins against UMass and Richmond to point to. If they can win at Dayton and beat SJU and make the A10 finals they could have a case. UMass despite 6 top 100 wins has sputtered of late. Wins against Dayton and Iona are nice but not enough and they will need to win out and make the A10 finals as well. Richmond jumped on the list by beating VCU completing a sweep and they did beat Davidson but it might be reaching for even them even if they make the A10 finals





30. (76) KANSAS STATE 15-15: So this is what happens when you beat two top 15 rpi schools in one week after losing 7 of 8. Never has a team with this many losses been on the bubble and never as an at large team with so many losses...and they would have 16 if they don't win the Big 12 tourney been selected for a NCAA bid but this is an interesting case. Hear me out....The Wildcats have 5 top 50 wins...are a whopping 7-10 vs top 50..those numbers alone are good enough to be in the tournament. The SOS is a sparkling 12 and even the conference mark at 8-9 in the top conference is better than bubble schools Okie St and Texas. A win over Kansas, a sweep of Oklahoma, wins over Ok St, Iowa St, Baylor, a non conference win over Texas A&M. Pretty impressive huh? Well those 15 losses just seem too many...too many losses to the likes of TCU, Texas Tech, Texas Southern. But what if? What if KState beats Texas in their finale and then makes a run to the Big 12 finals beating more top 50 schools...what will the selection committee do. Could they invite a 18-16 school who could have as many as 9 top 50 rpi wins and 11 top 100 schools. I really want to see this scenario play out.








LAST 4 IN: BRIGHAM YOUNG, UCLA, TEXAS A&M, COLORADO STATE


LAST 4 OUT: TEXAS, ILLINOIS, TULSA, DAVIDSON








Multiple Bid Leagues




Big 10: 7
SEC: 6
Big 12: 6
Big East: 6
ACC: 6
Pac 12: 4
AAC: 3
MWC: 3
A10: 2
MVC: 2
WCC: 2

projected league winners such as SMU, Boise State, and Dayton will also be serious at large contenders. Mid majors such as Murray State, Stephen F Austin, Wofford, and Louisiana Tech figure to be considered if they do not win their leagues but unlikely to receive selections
This post was edited on 3/6 5:37 PM by bac2therac
 
recapping last night....

In a huge bubble matchup in the Big 10 Iowa won at Indiana. That's enough to vault the Hawkeyes in the tournament. Its not a bad loss for Indiana but its a missed opportunity to lock themselves in. With Michigan State looming that's another bubble matchup where the winner will secure an at large bid

Dayton knocked off URI which solidified the Flyers at large hopes should they not win the A10 tourney. URI's at large hopes are finished now. They simply have to win the A10 tourney

Georgia led Kentucky in the 2nd half before the Wildcats rallied for the win. A pretty good showing here scores them points even with a loss...very close to being in right now

Ole Miss rallied to win at Alabama in a game they had to have.

Texas A&M falls at Florida and now are really in some trouble. Going to need a strong SEC tourney to feel secure.

NC State avoided a bad loss at Clemson but still probably need to win that next one to get in




LAST 4 IN: TEXAS A&M, BRIGHAM YOUNG, UCLA, COLORADO STATE


LAST 4 OUT: TEXAS, ILLINOIS, TULSA, DAVIDSON
 
BAC, you do a great job. Pitt lost to Wake, guess Randall goes to NIT.
 
Excellent per usual although two of your top four to get in are now in very real trouble, LSU certainly may be on outside looking in after an awful loss to Tennessee. Indiana no longer a sure thing at all and certainly not number #1 on the pecking order.

MSU, Cincy and Oregon with nice wins have all have moved in. Purdue should already be in. Ridiculous even an issue.

Bye bye Pittsburgh but Miami hanging around.

Don't look now but the AAC with SMU, Cincy, Temple and Tulsa and if UConn wins conference tourney could be a four bid league.

If Davidson wins tonight the A10 is a three bid league with VCU and Dayton and don't rule out Richmond, like UConn, winning conference tourney.

Ok State better right the ship. Texas v. KSU might be a playoff like Miami v Pitt.
 
I would hold off on putting teams in and putting them out.

Indiana is still in GREAT shape right now. I don't redo pecking order until after tonights game but yes they aren't first anymore but they are well above a lot of schools. The thing is as we get down to it there are only now about 7 schools on outside of the bubble...not very many at all this year...Ilinois, Stanford, Texas, Miami, Tulsa, Davidson and Old Dominion

those 7 are clearly behind schools like Indiana, OSU, Mississippi, Purdue and Cincinnati. I wont project those schools in yet until the full numbers crunch next week or if they pick up quality wins over the weekend but I would be shocked silly if any of those missed it.

Cincy got a big win over Tulsa that knocked the Hurricane out of first in the AAC and Tulsa now has a showdown with SMU looming. I really think they need that plus a trip to the AAC finals to have a shot. Cincy is looking very good as I said

Oregon and UCLA got wins but still not locks

Michigan State is now a lock after beating Purdue. Purdue not hurt that much by the loss but need to beat Illinois to keep themselves from heading to the last 4 in line. Illinois won as well to keep their hopes alive but they are still out for now. Ohio State beat Penn State to move them very close to lock status but not quite yet

LSU's loss to Tennesse by 15 hurt but if they can beat Alabama this week they should be okay

Dayton's win solidified themselves if they get knocked out in the A10 tourney. UMass is completing finished.

Miami beat Pitt, it ends the Pitt at large chances and Miami stays alive and needs to get some quality wins in the ACC tourney

Colorado State, Boise State and San Diego State all got the wins they need to have

Oklahoma State stopped the bleeding and took care of TCU

I don't see the AAC getting more than 3 bids...ditto for the A10 and its more likely 2...VCU's stock has fallen and Davidson beating them does not really get them in the field




LAST 4 IN: TEXAS A&M, BRIGHAM YOUNG, UCLA, COLORADO STATE



LAST 4 OUT: TEXAS, ILLINOIS, MIAMI, DAVIDSON
This post was edited on 3/5 10:42 AM by bac2therac
 
LSU has 2nd best SEC team Arkansas at Arkansas(Not Alabama)this week? Hardly okay and another loss likely.

Georgia virtual lock provided no slip up at Auburn.

Indiana better hope they beat MSU at home... very possibly another loss and would not characterize their chances as great

PAC 12 has two of the best teams in country in Arizona and Utah. Will be hard pressed to keep out all three of UCLA, Oregon and Stanford. UCLA and Oregon virtual locks.

VCU will get in. Will not penalize injury. Davidson will be hard pressed to keep out if they win tonight.

SMU & Cincy already in. Would it be a real surprise to see two more out of Temple, Tulsa, UConn?

BYU, Texas A& M, Boise State, all bubble teams that could do some damage. Hardly weak at all.

This post was edited on 3/5 11:03 AM by G- RUnit
 
UConn has no chance...no way no shot at the AAC getting more than 3. they can easily leave out Temple and Tulsa

UCLA is very far from a lock and Stanford shot is slim..they only have one quality and that's to sputtering Texas

Davidson has no wins of note.
 
Davidson with an outstanding and dominating win over VCU last night is now looking like their ticket is punched! What a week for the alleged "weak" and "uninteresting" bubble. A10 looking like three bid league with Dayon, Davidson and VCU

Last week BAC had these four teams out, BYU, Boise State, Oregon and Davidson. In one week all four of these "weak" bubble teams look not only to be in the big dance, but two, Boise State and Davidson, might now even be favorites to win their respective conferene championships. That's one outstanding bubble!

Temple and UCLA, also thought to be on the bubble looking good with wins on Weds and Thursday. Two other "weak" bubble teams, Tulsa and Texas A&M, lurking and staying alive.

On the other hand the teams from the power conferences thought to be locks are struggling, Indiana, Stanford, LSU, NC State need more wins. Texas and KSU play basically a play in game and will likely eliminate the loser like Miami v. Pitt.

American Conference very under-rated conference as evident by the all out war last night between UConn and Memphis. It was very reminisicent of Xavier v Cincy battles with Memphis winning 54-53. It is going to be difficult to exclude SMU, Cincy, Temple and Tulsa and one can see UConn or Memphis winning the league. Reminds me of last year when MVC was way over rated and A10 was way under-rated.
 
Kansas St. on bubble....are you saying they are in if they beat Texas and then lose in the finals of B12 conference?

If not then are really on the bubble?

If they lose in B12 finals and beat Texas they would be 19-16. What is the highest loss total ever for an at large bid?
 
I would not put Davidson in yet. VCU has struggled lately, that win isn't as huge as it used to be especially with no other wins of note to speak of except for Dayton. If I were them I would make sure I make that A10 finals to be secure. They certainly have enhanced their chances...I think at the expense of a school like Temple who as a third team from a sputtering AAC is in trouble with only the big win over Kansas and split with Cincy to point to.

I also had Oregon in last week not out. Unlike Lunardi I think Indiana is fine for now but lets see where they sit if they lose to MSU and then lose a first round Big 10 tourney game. I would like to see Kansas State beat Texas and then knock off quality teams in the Big 12 tourney and see how the selection committee deals with a 18-16 school with an incredible amount of quality wins that passes the eye test...how could they leave them out?

Tulsa is in big trouble. They MUST win at SMU or will need to win the AAC tournament to get a bid.

the AAC and A10 will wind up with 5 bids between them, its just the question of who gets 3 and who gets 2.

NC State should be fine...wins at UL, UNC and over Duke as well as Boise State
 
How many of these conferences are no doubt about 1 school confernces?
How many get a 2nd school if the best team doesn't win?
 
the only conferences that could be get multiple bids besides the power 5 are AAC, Mountain West, A10, Big East, and West Coast

schools like Buffalo, Central Michigan, Murray State, Wofford, Stephen F Austin, La Tech, ODU might have some plusses with their overall record and rpi numbers but have little chance of being handed at large bids.
 
Originally posted by bac2therac:


Multiple Bid Leagues



Big 10: 7
SEC: 6
Big 12: 6
Big East: 6
ACC: 6
Pac 12: 4
AAC: 3
MWC: 3
A10: 2
MVC: 2
WCC: 2


I know kenpom isn't part of any discussion, but looking at their rankings of conferences
1-5 B12, BE, ACC, B1G, SEC
6-10 P10, WCC, A10, AAC, MAC!
11-15 MVC, MWC, BW, Ivy, Horiz

Looks like MAC only gets 1, but that is a function of a lot of decent teams and them beating each other up. You look at Buffalo and 1 week stretch where they went 0-3 could be curtains for them, but they appear a pretty good team.
 
Originally posted by bac2therac:
I do not see any quality wins for Buffalo...no chance
Yes...halftime leads vs Wisconsin and Kentucky...but that unfortunately means nothing.
 
Looked at the MAC bracket....triple bye right in to the semis for 1 and 2 seed.

I get the not wanting college kids to miss too much school, but I am surprised other confernces don't put a rest day to allow schools who have already cemented an at large berth to have a rest day in the middle of a 3-4 day run.
 
They also lost to Central Michigan the other best team in the league...if they had swept them maybe a case could be madr
 
Isn't commonly called the FIRST four out?

Though, I can see the argument for LAST four out.
 
Originally posted by Greene Rice FIG:
Kansas St. on bubble....are you saying they are in if they beat Texas and then lose in the finals of B12 conference?

If not then are really on the bubble?

If they lose in B12 finals and beat Texas they would be 19-16. What is the highest loss total ever for an at large bid?
if they get that far and get to the finals yes they should get in...check out there numbers against top 25 and top 50 competition, it blows most schools out of the water.

there really are not many bubbles at this point...6-8 schools, that's not many at all this year
 
Here is the new updated pecking order heading into the weekend following games of 3/6


IN

1. Georgia
2. Ohio State
3. Oklahoma State
4. North Carolina State
5. Indiana
6. Xavier
7. Cincinnati
8. Purdue
9. Mississippi
10. Louisiana State
11. Oregon
12. UCLA
13. Temple
14. Colorado State
15. Brigham Young
16. Davidson

OUT

17. Texas A&M
18. Texas
19. Illinois
20. Miami
21. Old Dominion
22. Richmond
23. Stanford
24. Kansas State

right now I think spots 8-18 are very close and going to be a lot of changes after the final games this weekend.



LAST 4 IN: DAVIDSON, BRIGHAM YOUNG, COLORADO STATE, TEMPLE



LAST 4 OUT: TEXAS A&M, TEXAS, ILLINOIS, MIAMI
 
Indiana with a horrible loss... Looks like big trouble as predicted....
 
A 2 point loss to a tournament team in Michigan St is not a horrible or bad loss but it does prevent them from locking in meaning they need that first round big 10 game
 
A bad loss at home to an MSU team with best player out is a bad loss period.
 
Losing eight out of twelve and three in a row is a lot of missed opportunities which does not bode well for tourney hopes. Two of the wins are RU.

This post was edited on 3/7 3:04 PM by G- RUnit
 
Bactotherac, I know we have had our differences in the past but you really do an outstanding job with this tourney outlook write up. I really feel for you because I can tell you are a college basketball junkie like myself and have nothing to look forward to at this time of year with your team. I really hope for your sake and a couple other good posters on this board a change is made and things start to look better for your team. You will be surprised if the right person is hired how fast things can turn around. I have seen it happen twice now with Pitino and now Cooley.
 
Amazing Belmont win over Murray State! Resent Joe Lunardi quotes that Murray State should not get in the tourney. Hope ground swell for them to get in. Just as good and exciting as Louisville and UVA.
 
Originally posted by G- RUnit:
Amazing Belmont win over Murray State! Resent Joe Lunardi quotes that Murray State should not get in the tourney. Hope ground swell for them to get in. Just as good and exciting as Louisville and UVA.
I usually always root for these type teams getting in but just do not see it. 1-2 against rpi top 100 and 15-and 1 against 201 and higher.
 
Originally posted by woodennickel1:

Originally posted by G- RUnit:
Amazing Belmont win over Murray State! Resent Joe Lunardi quotes that Murray State should not get in the tourney. Hope ground swell for them to get in. Just as good and exciting as Louisville and UVA.
I usually always root for these type teams getting in but just do not see it. 1-2 against rpi top 100 and 15-and 1 against 201 and higher.
Think many of the bracket folks get way too hung up on the numbers and miss the eye test and intangibles not to mention the self fulfilling computer rankings. (RU ranked #81 in football really?) If the conference is under rated by the "computers" in the first place you are screwed. (See BYU). Murray State deserves credit for going almost two months without losing and having second longest winning streak before yesterday. Anyone who watched that game yesterday saw that Murray State and Belmont could hang with, and beat, many other bubble teams. How many games does Indiana have to lose before it becomes a joke? 8 of their last 12 games are losses and two of those wins are RU and they are first in, "their body of work" blah blah blah....
 
MVC championship game between Illinois State and Northern Iowa has huge bubble implications as an IIllinois State win will steal an at large bid from the bubble pool
 
Just to recap this weekend....

Davidson won the regular season A10 by clouting Duquense...meanwhile Dayton had a bad loss to La Salle. Davidson is now the projected winner of the A10...Dayton is still looking good but perhaps not yet a lock. VCU stopped the bleeding with a win and cant see them being left out.

SMU took down Tulsa in a game to decide the AAC regular season title. Tulsa meanwhile is in some big trouble and probably needs to win the tournament. Cincy downed Memphis and Temple beat UConn but Cincy is in much better bubble shape while Temple needs to beat SMU and make the AAC finals to be sure.

Miami won at Va Tech to keep their hopes alive. Pitt is officially done with their loss to FSU and NCState looks good to go after their win over Syracuse

Another loss for OKState this team at WVU keeps them from locking in so work to do in the Big 12 tourney...ditto for Texas who won over Kansas State to improve their sagging fortunes.

Xavier held on to beat Creighton and are looking really good at this point

Purdue downed Illinois in a key bubble matchup. Purdue looks in great shape while Ilinois will need a very strong Big 10 tourney run. Indiana's loss at Michigan State raises questions but they should be alright with a first round Big 10 tourney win. Ditto for Ohio State, not locked in yet, they better win one Big 10 tourney game.

ODU kept their slim hopes alive by beating Western Kentucky

Yale and Harvard will meet in an Ivy League title playoff game

Illinois State upset Wichita State raising a possibility they were going to steal a bid from the bubble if they beat Northern Iowa. For awhile it looked good as they led as many as 16 but Northern Iowa rallied to claim the autobid.

Boise State, Colorado State and San Diego State all held serve in their Mountain West season finales.

Murray State was upset by Belmont 88-87 in the Ohio Valley conference final but alas despite their stunning season and conference mark their chances for a NCAA at large bid are slim

Arizona blasted Stanford and the Cardinal will need a trip to the Pac 12 finals to get in now

Texas A&M suffered a damaging loss at home to Alabama that may put them out for now. Desperate for quality wins in the SEC tourney. Ole Miss also stung with a loss to Vandy that now raises questions about their resume. LSU got a key quality road win at Arky and Georgia held on to fend off Auburn and both are looking pretty solid right now.


Full pecking order update coming either tomorrow night or Tuesday
 
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