Cliff and Baye have very different skill sets.
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Shows you what everybody knows. Baye is a better prospect.
Personally I don’t think Baye is going to hit the trey at a high enough percentage as a freshman to get “starter minutes”, but the defensive ability is already there. He is a willing and able shot blocker and should be able to rebound at a high enough clip to get double digit minutes per game in conference play. A way too early projection by me…based on his videos, ratings, body-type and athleticism, and the fact that he is still learning the game...so more room for improvement than most American-born players.
Min. per game: 15
PPG: 5.5
Reb: 3.9
Blocks: 1.8
FG%: 48%
3 Pt%: 27% on low volume
Min. per game: 15
PPG: 5.5
Reb: 3.9
Blocks: 1.8
FG%: 48%
3 Pt%: 27% on low volume
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Wow that is a very specific projection. LOL
I’d take though. Not a bad contribution from a freshmen big guy - particularly one that is “only” rated a 3 star recruit (although I understand the general consensus is that he’s better than the rating)
All the metrics in basketball imply an accuracy which simply is not there in reality lol. I was thinking 2 blocks per game but couldn’t do it. I’ll go out on a limb and say he will lead all freshmen in the BIG in weak-side-help blocks per game. And somewhere someone is also awarding altered shots as a stat…so there’s that.
The “film” is highlights. I have seen the highlights. It’s generally not wise to put too much stock into highlights when making projections around freshmen. He plays probably hundreds of hours of basketball games each year and we’re saying he’ll be top 5-6 in our rotation as a freshman in the Big Ten based on the best 5 minutes.
People are starting to say that they think he’ll start and that he’ll contribute meaningful minutes. Those are expectations. It would be fantastic if we got that, but it’s far more likely he’s eased in to start the year and finishes the year somewhere in the 4-6 PPG range.
For every Garza or Cockburn, there are 5 Myles, Cliff, Sanogo players who just need a little more time to refine their skills for the college level.
Cliff was highly rated bc of his athleticism size and length, not bc of his bball skill. He was basically the definition of a high upside project
Even if Ndongo is a bit raw, he is further along and more ready to play as a freshman than Cliff
We really can't project minutes and roles with any accuracy until we see what the final roster looks like and hear where Mag is at in his rehabilitation closer to the season
Yes. Cliff wasn’t doing this stuff as a freshman. He’s not doing some of this stuff even now. Baye looks like a true stretch 4 in the making…with NBA-level athleticism.
Ndongo highlights are extremely impressive. He has NBA size, length, athleticism, and ability
I keep hearing Richie say he's a project, but he shows sooo much skill already. The form on his jumper looks very good especially for a big man newer to bball. Very smooth too.
He shows finishing around the rim, baby hook, turn around, drop step. A lot of moves for a project. He can dribble and appears to see the court well. His rim protection looks elite. Hard to imagine he won't be a plus rebounder
I really don't see any reason he can't contribute as a freshman
I watched some of the the 5A and 6A PIAA (big school PA) state championship games and I didn’t see stuff like Baye flashes in the vid. Kentucky signee, Justin Edwards of Imhotep in Philly is being called the best player to come out of Philly in 30 years and he didn’t even stand out (but he’s only 6’7” and plays like a big guard).
Glad you saw his filmed highlights.
Baye flashed so many skills, moves, effort and athleticism, I think you are you are underestimating him.
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Different opinions then. I think he’ll be a great contributor for us over time but in no universe do I think it’s realistic to say he’s currently ahead of Cliff, Mag, or even Woolfolk. Give it time.
He’s like none of those players. Length and shot-altering capability is probably closest to Cliff. Mid and long range shooting probably closest to Mag. The form on Baye’s trey looks promising as it is quite pure.
Promising form doesn’t mean he’s currently better than those players.
We’re basically now saying he’s got all the best attributes of Cliff and Mag as a high schooler? The expectations are too high. Let the kid get on campus and develop.
All I’m saying is if Baye can play the four alongside Cliff, as Sonny Hill says about what Wilt did as a young player, the basket is closed.
It’s a completely different game from when Wilt was a young player 60 years ago
All I said is Baye would be an important contributor next year. I will give it time…until the season opener.
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Ok, good luck with that. I’ll be very happy if we have the next Garza on our hands here and think he can become a really valuable piece but think I’ll keep my expectations realistic for freshman year
Never said he was Garza. I said I really like what the kid brings, his skills, athleticism, intensity and how he shoots from 3. We need players with his skills.
Can’t wait to see him play this summer and fall.
Have a great night! Go Knights!
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Yes, Mag can defend a 2 very well.
Baye and Mag can be on the floor at the same time at 3 and 4. I would love to see that. Talk about defensive intensity!! And Baye can play the 5 well against smaller centers with Mag at the 4.
Honestly with recruiting on the upswing we are due to have a freshman who comes in and has a good year. Why not Ndongo?
Don’t get me wrong, I hope he does great as a freshman and it’s possible, it’s just not statistically probable and for our own sakes (and the kid’s if he doesn’t immediately light it up and ever sees the board next season), we should go in with that in mind
Lots of freshman are big contributors all over college basketball. It is about time we had some guys step up early.
a taller mag. Having 2 on the floor together is going to be special
Is Mag not the 3?
Assuming Paul isn't back and we're not playing three guards?
Derek
Cam
Mag
Gavin
Cliff
1.8 blocks in 15 minutes is a big number
Gavin isn’t a 4, especially as a freshman. We also still don’t know who’s coming back and who we’ll get from the portal
Richie couldn’t evaluate a prospect if you sat him next to the best scouts in the world.
Lots of freshman PF/C are big contributors? Who, outside of the very top recruits?
“Lots” isn’t accurate. Again, for every 1 there are 5+ who aren’t.
I think there’s fluidity with Mag a 3/4, for instance, and Wolfe a 4/5.
He's 100% ahead of Woolfolk, it's not even close. And that's off of watching PSA team film, not just his highlight tape. Wolf is more developed physically currently, but that's it.
Exactly. I think Baye and Mag are going to kill it. I love the energy and intensity.
With two long, very athletic kids in Baye and airous , they can be a postionless four and five once they gain the muscle needed to fill out
Both can be rim protectors
Throw in sone girth with wolf and Latham Somerville …we have something brewing there
Both can be rim protectors
Throw in sone girth with wolf and Latham Somerville …we have something brewing there
He looks more fluid than Cliff on O. While I cringe when Cliff shoots from deep, he’s a beast of a worker and I think we’ll be plenty pleased with his progress on offense coming into next year.
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