Be HONEST, are you happy about beating Indiana?

[RUtrumpet92]

For the record, Moderator King High changed the original question posed in the title of the post to fit his world view, thus distorting the meaning and intent of almost every subsequent post.

If I understand the original question's intent (and I saw the original question), the point would be better made as: "Are you happy that our program is at a level where we are a touchdown underdog playing at Indiana?"

It was nothing but a veiled attempt to lead the witness to the conclusion that Rutgers should fire Flood and staff because the OP feels we should be better than a program that is a TD underdog at Indiana and that Flood won't get us there.

Let's evaluate where things stand at the end of the season. No need to rain on the victory parade after one of the greatest comebacks in program history, on the road, with our best offensive and defensive (Hamilton) players not playing down the stretch.

 

[KingHigh]

LOL. That wasn't the OP's original question.

For the record, Moderator King High changed the original question posed in the title of the post to fit his world view, thus distorting the meaning and intent of almost every subsequent post.

The OP promised a simple query, but his phrasing of "almost losing" was anything but aimple, and caused a lot of acrimony. So I fixed it for him. Not to fit my world view (#feelthebern) but to achieve the simplicity that was intended by the question...unless the purpose of the question was to troll, in which case we could just delete it. Either way.

 

[Virginiarufan]

There's 2 sides to this. My guess is the OP was looking at the long term ramifications in that it postpones the inevitable firing of Flood and his mediocre staff which then doesn't help us move up the B1G ladder. I don't think anyone is unhappy about a win. Of course miracles do happen and Flood could turn into the next Urban Meyer, Knute Rockne and Vince Lombardi all rolled into one.

 

[RUBigJ]

Yes especially since Sudfeld started and played the whole game..

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

The OP promised a simple query, but his phrasing of "almost losing" was anything but aimple, and caused a lot of acrimony. So I fixed it for him. Not to fit my world view (#feelthebern) but to achieve the simplicity that was intended by the question...unless the purpose of the question was to troll, in which case we could just delete it. Either way.

Seems as though your changing the original title shines a worse light on the OP than you and others apparently believe his original question reflected on himself.

In the interest of fairness, I propose you restore his original title or let him decide if he would like you to delete his thread.

Thanks.

 

[buffalochicken21]

I don't care, leave the thread as is.
I go to all the home games, have been for years.
I don't think beating Indiana should be a shining endorsement of the program.

 

[RUInsanity]

It was nothing but a veiled attempt to lead the witness to the conclusion that Rutgers should fire Flood and staff .......

Apparently for some posters, this has become the sole purpose of this board, to constantly remind everyone how they (and everyone else) should feel about Flood..........and if you

A) Express "annoyance" at the constant barrage of these type of direct or veiled posts
or
B) Disagree with the premise or timing of their post

You are labeled as a "Floodie", Idiot, or someone who only accepts mediocrity. The real issue is that these posters want to polarize a position rather than accept there is much more nuance and detail to how people feel about Flood and the Program.

 

[saran]

Ambivalent.
Can't root to lose and it was a fun win.
On paper though, a RU loss, a Flood Firing on Monday would have been better.
Don't want to enter peak recruiting season with Coach Barney still loitering.
Rutgers wins for the past couple of years have just served as nap pillows for a flight to oblivion

 

[AreYouNUTS]

A mod changed the title of a thread that did nothing but pose a simple question about our win? Odd.

Anyway, a win is a win is a win, and regardless of the fact that I don't like Flood, I LOVE OUR PROGRAM AND THE TEAM ON THE FIELD, so, YES, I'm happy with the W. Let's not make this more than a GREAT comeback, and that, however.

 

[PaKnight]

Wow, thanks for pointing out that we're a mediocre team 4 years into the Flood era...I've said repeatedly, I'm glad we won, just saying.

We were a mediocre team 10 years into the Schiano era.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Any win is great, the problem I have is with some of our fans making this out to be more than it is.

IU is not good...if they are our "peer" we are in deep crap. We should have stopped being their peer in the Schiano years. IU hasn't been to a bowl game since 2007!! TTFP lost to Indiana once ever...

If you think we should strive to be Indiana you do not accept mediocrity but failure.

If we beat tOSU or Michigan....or even Wisconsin or Nebraska, then we can talk about improvement or significant wins.

Otherwise, the only guy who should ever crow at RU about beating Indiana and Kansas should be Eddie Jordan.

 

[IL Lusciato]

Ambivalent.
Can't root to lose and it was a fun win.
On paper though, a RU loss, a Flood Firing on Monday would have been better.
Don't want to enter peak recruiting season with Coach Barney still loitering.
Rutgers wins for the past couple of years have just served as nap pillows for a flight to oblivion

Pure nonsense. This is our second year in the big ten. A few years ago we were getting destroyed in the AAC. Now we won a conference game on the road against a spread team and took MSU down to the wire. We have some of the most promising young kids we have had in a long time.

What oblivion are you frigging talking about?

 

[jeffro5]

Happy to beat a team that went down to the wire against the #1 team in the country, doing so without their starting QB and losing their 2nd stringer during the game? Damn right I am.

Was on the way to a wedding and listening on BTN after there second straight TD I could feel a blowout and let my wife turn on the SPA radio station to calm me down as my the blood had drained out f my hands as they squeezed the steering wheel in anger . Got to the wedding and forgot about the game for a few hours.

When i saw that we had one and what we had to done to win was a great feeling . They stole one back on the road; made me think right away like this could be a big catalyst like the Md. game.

This team has heart and has never gotten down on themselves. As much as football is a game of skill and talent it is very much a game of aggression, desire, and confidence.

Hopefully this win gives them the confidence to take on OSU.

Enjoy your great Sunday. The Mets and Rutgers both won !

 

[jeffro5]

Rejoice for the true meaning of Sunday....in the end all these games mean little.

 

[Caliknight]

King, you should have deleted the thread. You were being generous. I applaud that.

 

[mildone]

Rejoice for the true meaning of Sunday....in the end all these games mean little.

The true meaning of Sunday? You mean soccer? I rejoiced by playing for two hours this morning.

 

[mildone]

I'm glad the thread wasn't deleted because the responses contained some good, rational, level-headed posts. The haters seem unable to comprehend why everyone isn't as miserable as they are. Misery loves company I guess.

The haters present this false choice where any fan that allows him or herself to enjoy all the little successes of the season must be a "Floodie" or "content with mediocrity". Any fan that prefers to focus on the positives instead of being totally miserable because we're not playing for a national championship has a "loser mentality".

What I wish the haters would understand is that we're fans. Our mentality is irrelevant. The only mentalities that matter here are (a) the administration and AD's, (b) the coaching staff's, and (c) the players. The fans can vote w/their wallets, but that's about it. And anyway, aren't ticket sales up this season?

Given that fans have no real control over the FB program, there is simply no excuse whatsoever for berating or denigrating fans for being happy with anything they want to be happy about. I don't know how others approach their lives, but I'm generally happy no matter what the situation is. I'm pretty much always happy. Personally, I find that my attitude is far less of a loser mentality than the attitude of someone who spends their days being miserable about something that's entirely out of their control. But that's just me.

 

[e5fdny]

Winning a close game to any Big Ten team is going to be satisfying. Most likely, our games against Maryland and Indiana will be significant for our bowl hopes for many years. Let's enjoy them. it was a beautiful game today.

Agree. The B1G TV guys joked this is both teams Super Bowl. Not because the country cared but it will be key year in and out to getting a bowl game. We are 2-0 against a team that has had how many decades of B1G money and scheduling? Next week will be fun but Indiana is and will be more of a peer than OSU.

Agree as well.

Which is why this was a good tactical and strategic win.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Conference road win.
probably can't get to 6 without it
2-0 lifetime against IU
great comeback (team never quit)
SL hack had to re-write their headlines


what's not to like?

 

[Hondo77]

There's a simple answer to this simple question.

 

[rufullerton]

I'll take almost losing to Indiana(or any perceived/actual bottom teams on B1G, Div1aa, etc) than losing by 1pt to #1 team in the country any day.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

If you are not happy when Rutgers wins, then you are NOT A FAN.

The end.

 

[RoxboroughKnight]

I'm happy. It's a big 10 game not a 1AA game. A win in a conference game will always make me happy

 

[RU2055]

Honestly? I'm always happy when we win.

 

[RU76]

Happy that KJ and his ilk are pissed.

 

[MADHAT1]

I'm happy after every game RU win and willing to share that joy.
I'll let others share their misery after RU beats an opponent for whatever petty reason they have to try and suck the enjoyment out of the game(s) RU has won.

After every victory there is always someone whining about the win and making it look like a loss, then having "so-called" realists jumping in and explaining why the win wasn't good enough for them

 

[Upstream]

The OP promised a simple query, but his phrasing of "almost losing" was anything but aimple, and caused a lot of acrimony. So I fixed it for him. Not to fit my world view (#feelthebern) but to achieve the simplicity that was intended by the question...unless the purpose of the question was to troll, in which case we could just delete it. Either way.

You really thought the OP's intent in his awkwardly worded question was to find out if posters were happy with a win?

His point was to highlight that Rutgers almost lost and needed a huge come-from-behind 4th quarter to get the W.

If you were going to change the question, at least change it to something that captures the OP's intent, like "Are you happy that Rutgers struggled to beat Indiana ".

Or better yet, just leave the OP's original question about whether we're happy that Rutgers almost lost, since so many of the responses were specific to that phrasing.

 

[KingHigh]

You really thought the OP's intent in his awkwardly worded question was to find out if posters were happy with a win?

His point was to highlight that Rutgers almost lost and needed a huge come-from-behind 4th quarter to get the W.

If you were going to change the question, at least change it to something that captures the OP's intent, like "Are you happy that Rutgers struggled to beat Indiana ".

Or better yet, just leave the OP's original question about whether we're happy that Rutgers almost lost, since so many of the responses were specific to that phrasing.

Upstream, the following questions are not directed at you, but only to demonstrate the absurdity of the op, as a supposed "honest question":

Are you happy that you failed the bar exam 3 times before finally passing?

Are you happy that your ugly wife loves you?

Are you happy that your kid scored a goal in soccer but is illiterate?

OP phrasing was awkward at best. Intentionally trolling at worst. Either way, I am glad I fixed it.

 

[GeorgeStreet]

The answer is simple. Rutgers fans are very happy, Indiana fans are really unhappy (it was their Homecoming game) and everyone else doesn't matter.

I'm familiar with Brownings' "Our reach should exceed our grasp, or what's a heaven for?" But get real!!!

 

[Upstream]

Upstream, the following questions are not directed at you, but only to demonstrate the absurdity of the op, as a supposed "honest question":

Are you happy that you failed the bar exam 3 times before finally passing?

Are you happy that your ugly wife loves you?

Are you happy that your kid scored a goal in soccer but is illiterate?

OP phrasing was awkward at best. Intentionally trolling at worst. Either way, I am glad I fixed it.

You didn't fix it. You changed it to something different from what the OP intended.

Using your examples, the OP was asking how you can fail the bar exam 3 times, or why is your wife ugly, or why is your kid illiterate. He was asking about how other Rutgers fans can be happy with a team that gave up 28 unanswered points to Indiana in the 3rd quarter and needed a nassive 4Q performance to get a win.

Maybe it's trolling, but no more so than any other Fire Flood thread. It is disingenuous for you to change it.

 

[RUInsanity]

FWIW - the OP had 9 posts in total before making this thread. Almost all of those 9 were to take shots at Flood including starting 2 Flood Sucks/Is a Buffoon type threads. It is likely that the OP is a Troll or an alternate ID of a current/former poster looking to advance an agenda. The previous title of this thread really could be interpreted as........."We should not be happy for winning because it's Indiana and Flood Sucks". Most rational posters on this board know a troll when they see one and also know how to interpret someone who starts a thread to advance an agenda.

It makes little difference to me that this thread title was changed although I find it a better alternative to deleting the thread. The OP was obviously trying to cause a disturbance/divisiveness on the board and instead of divisive arguing, the result is a more rational discussion.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

I am happy with the win. Not happy with how it happened.

 

[MADHAT1]

Some were unhappy after beating Kansas, some were unhappy after beating Indiana.
Moral of the story:
"But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself"
( Ricky Nelson's Garden Party)

 

[scarletbergen]

We had a great come from behind win! Congratulations to the team! Thanks for all the heart and all the guts! Great job!

That's it! That's all!

Now, to anybody who is trying to tear us all down. STFU

 

[NJgold]

Purdue fans are happy that RU beat IU.

 

[RC85]

I would have been happier with a 38-17 win. Hate to say it but Rutgers didn't win this game. Indiana and it's coaching lost it.

I've lost count of how many times this has been the same case in RU losses. Certainly WSU isn't wallowing in their almost loss to us this year that we blew, nor will Ped St offer to reverse last year's game when Nova handed them the win, or almost loss. We did everything wrong and Indy did everything right for almost the entire 3rd qtr.--that was entirely turned around in the 4th qtr.

 

[srru86]

Yes is the simple answer.
Don't start sounding like Patriots fans that are disappointed they only beat, and not demolished, the Colts.

 

[derleider]

Yes - because I dont have that high confidence that RU would shell out for a sure upgrade, especially in a year when there are probably going to be alot of competing openings for those upgrades.

In other words - since Im not confident that losing would get us a better coach, I am happy that we won. It also sets the stage for a huge game against OSU - I dont think we come close to winning - but to have any chance, we need to have the best atmosphere we have ever had - which required us to beat Indiana.

 

[RUChoppin]

You didn't fix it. You changed it to something different from what the OP intended.

...

Maybe it's trolling, but no more so than any other Fire Flood thread. It is disingenuous for you to change it.

KingHigh chose between two options: Delete the troll thread OR Change the thread title to make it not be a troll thread. I think he was generous in picking option 2.

 

[Upstream]

KingHigh chose between two options: Delete the troll thread OR Change the thread title to make it not be a troll thread. I think he was generous in picking option 2.

It was no more a troll thread than any other thread complaining about Flood. Sure it was a poorly worded question, which opened the OP to ridicule regarding the fact that "almost losing" is the same as winning (a point that KingHigh himself made in response 18 to this thread).

Just because the OP is posting something negative about the team or coach, doesn't make him a troll. If that were the case, half the posters on this board are trolls. The OP has been posting on this board since July 2013. Sure he only has 11 posts since the board format changed. But posting on the average of once every 1.5 weeks doesn't make him a troll.


I very rarely complain about moderators. But I think KingHigh really overstepped his role here. Being a moderator is not the same as being an Editor, especially when the edits change the meaning of the post. And since the original post was no more of a troll post than any other negative post on this board, it certainly didn't warrant deletion.

KingHigh, as a moderator, had more choices than to edit or delete. He could have selected the correct choice and left the post alone. He screwed up. He should recognize that he screwed up, acknowledge the fact, and correct his error by restoring the original post.