Big 10 Ranking and 2/6-2/12 discussion thread

[Greene Rice FIG]

Iowa at Michigan State. Obvious must win. I'd be shocked if Izzo doesn't get his team to win by double digits.

When is Drums of Thunder? I missed Nebraska game did they play then?

 

[bac2therac]

No Drums of Thunder yet...I think maybe we get them for Maryland or Michigan

 

[bac2therac]

Penn State going to win at Illinois. Credit Chambers, I was wrong, he is getting it done now 14-12/6-7...barely alive for NCAA. For Illinois its a bad loss because its at home. Groce will almost certainly be gone at the end of the year. Illinois is now 14-12/4-9 and will not make the NCAA tourney for the 4th year in a row. He made it his first year with Weber's holdovers, 5th year and his programs trend is downward. Illinois use to be a perennial Big 10 power.,

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Chambers needs an extension. Where is Bob?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Saw on BTN. NCAA published an early reveal with top 4 seeds. No B1G teams in top 16. Doesn't bode well for us getting 6+ teams

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Unicycle bowl lady at Michigan state today

 

[bac2therac]

Saw on BTN. NCAA published an early reveal with top 4 seeds. No B1G teams in top 16. Doesn't bode well for us getting 6+ teams

how is Wisconsin not a top 16 team..that is a joke

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Down goes Indiana


A long time ago I had 6 NCAA
Pu
Wis
Md
Nw
Mich
Minny

If MSU doesn't TCB...

 

[bac2therac]

Indiana in some trouble but there still is time and the Big 10 tourney. Plus the wins over Kansas and UNC are not going away..those are big time. Michigan now trying to make their case. Now 8-8 vs top 100 pretty good, 2-6 vs top 50 needs work, good OOC win over SMU...Indiana win was first true road win

Meanwhile Northwestern winning at Wisky right now 47-40 with 7:30 left, would be quite the win for them if they can hold on

 

[bac2therac]

Congrats to Northwestern...really big feather in their cap win and really solidifies their NCAA chances...Maryland at home next and they could win that one and should dispatch of RU next weekend. 66-56!

 

[shields]

Bummer they won.

 

[TDIrish27]

I think you'll see about everyone in the Big 12 , ACC , Pac 12, Big Ten and BE with 20 wins dancing.

There just aren't that many good mid majors this year.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

When is it time to fire up version 1.0 of who is in and who is out?

BAC?

 

[G- RUnit]

Less interesting this year as ACC and B12 fight among each other for seeding and lower seeds getting in, Texas Tech, TCU, Wake, and GT. Down B1G. Will Indiana or Michigan survive? Only curiosity may be Wichita State/ Illinois State loser. A10 and AAC way down. Has there been a more disappointing team then URI? Thought this was the year Dany Hurley was supposed to rule the college basketball world. Curious to see if any of SHU/Marquette/ Providence get in.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I know it is WAY too early, but I cant wait for the analysis.

 

[bac2therac]

When is it time to fire up version 1.0 of who is in and who is out?

BAC?

Next Monday/Tuesday timeframe

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I'll have to look at 7 day forecast and hope for no snow.

 

[bac2therac]

Less interesting this year as ACC and B12 fight among each other for seeding and lower seeds getting in, Texas Tech, TCU, Wake, and GT. Down B1G. Will Indiana or Michigan survive? Only curiosity may be Wichita State/ Illinois State loser. A10 and AAC way down. Has there been a more disappointing team then URI? Thought this was the year Dany Hurley was supposed to rule the college basketball world. Curious to see if any of SHU/Marquette/ Providence get in.

it gets less interesting because the expansion to 68 made the bubble less interesting overall. Its easier to cut off schools that will not make it. Last year I think the UCLA inclusion might have been the biggest controversy for me and some people were pissed Monmouth didnt make it but based on the numbers too many bad losses.

 

[bac2therac]

I think you'll see about everyone in the Big 12 , ACC , Pac 12, Big Ten and BE with 20 wins dancing.

There just aren't that many good mid majors this year.

agree...Mountain West and A10 are down this year and I do not think the AAC has much cache either

 

[G- RUnit]

I favor rewarding a team that had a great year like Monmouth last year, Vermont, Illinois State, possibly Nevada this year.

The Wichita State's, VCU's, Dayton's, UCLA's, the last teams in, have made nice runs, undercutting the 68 is too much and the bubble is weak narrative.

 

[bac2therac]

Monmouth does not have any quality wins this year unlike last year.

 

[bac2therac]

Lunardi has 7 Big 10 teams in...Indiana in last 4 out.

4 Purdue
5 Wisconsin
6 Maryland
7 Northwestern
8 Minnesota
10 Michigan State
11 Michigan

while its easy to say no threats to make the Final 4....who thought Syracuse was making the final 4 last year. Because of youth I do not think Minny or Mich State are threats. I think a healthy Northwestern is very dangerous. Wisky and Purdue as 4 or 5s are very capable of beating a one seed on their best day. Even Maryland can elevate their game. It will be all about matchups

 

[TDIrish27]

The NCAA talks out of both sides of their mouth regarding schools like Monmouth.

They didn't want them-----so they talked about bad losses.

No mention of the quality wins.

So we got to see the Golden Hurricanes who stunk .

 

[TDIrish27]

Would love to be wrong but I would be shocked if NW got to the 2nd weekend.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Gun to my head and had to pick 1 team to get to the Final 4 it might be Michigan

 

[bac2therac]

Would love to be wrong but I would be shocked if NW got to the 2nd weekend.

its all about the matchups, while a team that never has been there could have some issues, this is a well coached team. at FULL strength they can stay in the game against anyone simply on how well coached they are. If they are a 6 seed there is no reason that they cannot beat a 3 seed,

 

[bac2therac]

Gun to my head and had to pick 1 team to get to the Final 4 it might be Michigan

i dont like them...too hot and cold for my taste

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Are they well coached YES
Can they shoot YES
Upper classmen leadership YES
Guards YES
Experience YES (Walton and Irvin a whisker away from Final 4)
Unique team YES can give you different looks, think CUSE winning with less because of 2-3 zone you don't see

Can they not make the tourney YES
Can they lose in the 1st round YES

 

[rutger80]

I think Wisconsin has the best shot to get to the Final 4, with the Happ/Koenig combo. Haven't seen Purdue at all although I know that Swanigan is a force.

 

[TDIrish27]

Purdue

 

[goru7]

Purdue has the best balance of offense , inside and out, and defense with shot blockers. They are the one Big 10 team that can beat anyone and get to the Final Four. The rest of the teams have warts , so as usual matchups are critical but Purdue can play fast or slow and can shoot with anybody in the country and has better low post scorers than almost anyone in the country.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Purdue...guards are young and not a strength. Not easy to get the ball inside. Some #13 or #14 seed has a very good chance of beating them in round 1.

 

[bac2therac]

Are they well coached YES
Can they shoot YES
Upper classmen leadership YES
Guards YES
Experience YES (Walton and Irvin a whisker away from Final 4)
Unique team YES can give you different looks, think CUSE winning with less because of 2-3 zone you don't see

Can they not make the tourney YES
Can they lose in the 1st round YES

unless they lose out they are making the tournament...edit thought you were talking about Nwstern

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Thu Feb 16 15 Wisconsin W, 63-62 57 52% Home ×
Sun Feb 19 37 Minnesota L, 69-66 63 41% Away ×
Wed Feb 22 136 Rutgers W, 68-62 61 70% Away ×
Sat Feb 25 11 Purdue L, 72-71 63 47% Home ×
Wed Mar 1 30 Northwestern L, 68-64 60 37% Away ×
Sun Mar 5 89 Nebraska W, 69-66 62 60% Away ×
Projected record: 19-12 9-9

2-4 0-1 leaves them at 18-14 8-10 and a signature win list that only has SMU. NIT!

They need 3 more wins (including B1G) I'd think. Again what does the bubble look like.

 

[bac2therac]

Thu Feb 16 15 Wisconsin W, 63-62 57 52% Home ×
Sun Feb 19 37 Minnesota L, 69-66 63 41% Away ×
Wed Feb 22 136 Rutgers W, 68-62 61 70% Away ×
Sat Feb 25 11 Purdue L, 72-71 63 47% Home ×
Wed Mar 1 30 Northwestern L, 68-64 60 37% Away ×
Sun Mar 5 89 Nebraska W, 69-66 62 60% Away ×
Projected record: 19-12 9-9

2-4 0-1 leaves them at 18-14 8-10 and a signature win list that only has SMU. NIT!

They need 3 more wins (including B1G) I'd think. Again what does the bubble look like.

oops I thought you were talking about Northwestern....yes Michigan has work to do..last 4 in....I do not think they beat Wisky or Purdue but have shots to win at Nwstern and Nebby. I think they need 3 wins to be right on the bubble but probably also need a win or two in the Big 10 tourney

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

NW 19-13 0-1 losing 7 in a row. Would be interesting. Other than RU @home all games are tough. never going to happen though.

 

[TC4THREE]

Purdue...guards are young and not a strength. Not easy to get the ball inside. Some #13 or #14 seed has a very good chance of beating them in round 1.

Hold that thought. We are a very different team than last year so if you haven't seen much of us this year you probably aren't judging us with good information. Our guards are very good at a couple of important things. Mainly at shooting (top 5 collectively over 40% from 3) and taking care of the ball (top 5 has 2.4 A/T ratio).

Creating off the dribble? Not so much. Defensively they are average but have improved throughout the season and Mathias is starting to get in the conversation for being one of the best perimeter defenders in the conference.

Could we get upset again in the tournament? It's possible but I'd consider it highly unlikely, especially if we get a top 4 seed.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I don't like your 2 small guards (3 and 11) defensively. Yes they are much better than last year.

Don't get me wrong I would take them at RU in a heartbeat.

Can painter win 3 or 4 tournament games. Can swanigan stay out of foul trouble?

 

[goru7]

Hold that thought. We are a very different team than last year so if you haven't seen much of us this year you probably aren't judging us with good information. Our guards are very good at a couple of important things. Mainly at shooting (top 5 collectively over 40% from 3) and taking care of the ball (top 5 has 2.4 A/T ratio).

Creating off the dribble? Not so much. Defensively they are average but have improved throughout the season and Mathias is starting to get in the conversation for being one of the best perimeter defenders in the conference.

Could we get upset again in the tournament? It's possible but I'd consider it highly unlikely, especially if we get a top 4 seed.

I agree as I said in the above thread . Mathias and Thompson are shooting lights out from three and your freshman , Carsen Edwards is the best of the lot and the fastest and most skilled of your guards. Very impressed with Purdue and the only Big 10 team capable of making a long run in the tourney or a realistic chance to win it all. The only thing that I am reserved on is that Matt Painter's teams have underachieved and disappointing in the tourney. I would think you would agree with that last statement.

 

[TC4THREE]

I don't like your 2 small guards (3 and 11) defensively. Yes they are much better than last year.

Don't get me wrong I would take them at RU in a heartbeat.

Can painter win 3 or 4 tournament games. Can swanigan stay out of foul trouble?

Valid questions regarding a deep tournament run. I was mainly just saying that our guards are improved over last season so I think the likelihood of a first round loss is less. Time will tell though. I do feel like we have the highest ceiling of the Big Ten teams this year but a high ceiling doesn't guarantee squat in the NCAA tournament.