Biggest X factor in 2019-2020
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But you're the one who said they were? o.O
The low usage numbers and poor rebounding numbers were my thoughts...there is low usage and then there is Issa usage.
Stats totally support my theory.For someone who into analytics, your self validation of Corey is off base.
Now the arguement would be defense, trust as a ball handler
Back to your usage vs. efficency, though - in conference play last year:
Harper 18.5% usage, 116.1 ORtg
Thiam 12.0% usage, 88.1 ORtg
In conference Issa was terrible every year. Only way to make issa look good is to include non conference games
All games as a sophomore
108.1 O rating with a microscopic 11.5 usage
Raise the hood his sophomore year (in conference)
93.4 O rating 12.9 usage
His non conference was off the charts that year.
Bottom line bad comparison.
All games as a sophomore
108.1 O rating with a microscopic 11.5 usage
Raise the hood his sophomore year (in conference)
93.4 O rating 12.9 usage
His non conference was off the charts that year.
Bottom line bad comparison.
Nobody is making that comparison! You're the one who brought him up.
This is what I said
These aren't quite Issa numbers (more from a usage standpoint) but they are in the same ballpark.
The ballpark i was referring to was PetCo Park before they moved the fences in.
These aren't quite Issa numbers (more from a usage standpoint) but they are in the same ballpark.
The ballpark i was referring to was PetCo Park before they moved the fences in.
Don’t you dare come at me with facts! That not how this board nor myself operates!
What do you mean by usage? That he wasnt shooting enough? Because his splits are very solid for a freshamn in th B1G. 53% from the field is very good, 33% from 3 is solid, and he didn't turn over the ball. He was one of the most efficient players on the roster. I don't know if you just don't watch college b-ball but those are very positive numbers for a freshman on a team that is still building. It was clear at the end of the year he has the most talent on the potential and talent on the roster and got better as the competition got better.
Usage....ball in his hands more...making more plays.
Doesn’t mean his low usage numbers was his doing. I suspect his usage goes above 20% this year. There will be more possessions with the shot clock winding down where the ball is in his hands and not Eugene. He will have to take and make some lower quality shots.
We really need Baker’s usage to come down and efficiency up. Part of that goes to Harper and Caleb.
Doesn’t mean his low usage numbers was his doing. I suspect his usage goes above 20% this year. There will be more possessions with the shot clock winding down where the ball is in his hands and not Eugene. He will have to take and make some lower quality shots.
We really need Baker’s usage to come down and efficiency up. Part of that goes to Harper and Caleb.
Usage is a crazy stat.
From basketball-reference.com:
Usg% - Usage Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * ((FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV) * (Tm MP / 5)) / (MP * (Tm FGA + 0.44 * Tm FTA + Tm TOV)). Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.
I like it. #BadTakeFIG takes down his own bad comparison. Progress my friends. Progress.
Eugene isn't here and the 3 players incoming are legitimate players....that has nothing to do with when Eugene was out or the final 3 games.
I have to suggest that we look at the 1st 15 games vs the last 15 games.....the 1st 15 games by most metrics were not good....unless you count Drexel as some sort of litmus test.
We ended the season with Eugene unable to score against Nebraska, having Eugene nearly end the career of James Palmer with an ugly flagrant foul that would have been a suspension for certain if Palmer was hurt and I'm supposed to hitch my wagon as that season translating to this year??
RU is going to win more games than they lose this year and I'm planning to enjoy the process while it happens.
What are your thoughts of using it to define or quantify a players weight in the average possession?
Seems a little flawed, but am sure it has some relevance.
NJH,
Every player coming in to our program is considered legitimate by you. At some point you lose credibility when you arent very objective. Nothing is certain especially 2 transfers and a freshman.
Every player coming in to our program is considered legitimate by you. At some point you lose credibility when you arent very objective. Nothing is certain especially 2 transfers and a freshman.
You tried to compare Harper’s stats in the last 18 games (all B1G) to Issa’s OVERALL numbers for the year, which mostly included OOC since Issa fell off the map thereafter. You were trying to prove a point that Harper wasn’t much better than Issa.
It was, and is, a TERRIBLE and FLAWED comparison, likely done in your haste to downplay everybody’s excitement over Harper.
Since Pike has gotten here, beyond Souf and Bullock who were gone a year after their arrival, which player hasn't factored into the equation??
Eugene was one of his 1st recruits and was not a high major player in his 1st year. He was developed into one.
If most of the players since then, were ahead of Eugene upon arrival at RU, who hasn't played well in spots??
That doesn't mean RU has every recruit as a starter but there are far more hits than misses.
I'm sure it has its uses, but it's weird that it includes turnovers but not rebounds or assists. I mean, someone could touch the ball on every possession, pull down a ton of rebounds, initiate fast breaks for others, and kick out for threes.... and have that show up nowhere in Usage.
http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2015&p=Anthony Collins&t=South FloridaI thought for sure assists would be included
Someone like Collins who played for USF and some other team used to dribble forever but take a few shots
Someone like Collins who played for USF and some other team used to dribble forever but take a few shots
At least as far as college-reference.com, he only had a usage of 15.2% in 2014-15, while Bart has him at 16.7%. So, the formula must be different. Bart and college-reference also have different values for ORtg. Not sure why.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-collins-1.html
You lost me on how sharing the ball on offense makes you better defensively.
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