Boomer and Carlton cover Rutgers early this morning

[NickKnight 1]

I get in my car and hear them talking Kyle Flood, and I put my
finger on the button ready to change the channel. What I got
was a pleasant surprise. The read the E Mail, and agreed there
was nothing intimidating about the letter. Flood went out of his
way to ensure the teacher he would back up his decision 100%.
and that decision would be final. and he would have no problem
with it. However, he says if you can help me help this student.I,ll
be appreciative. Any extra work will be on football time only,
and not take from other school work. Boomer says obviously,
this guy hates sports and was out to cause trouble. and the
papers and other media doing what they do and pounced on the
negative. Boomer went on to explain most people on the outside
don't understand the relationship between the players and the
coaches, how the coaches do everything they can to help
these young kids be successful in life..
He went on to explain how it was with him when he went to
Maryland and his relationship with the coaches.
I lnow some on this board will tear this perspective apart but
don't bother Politi and the rest already have done enough.

 

[Knight Shift]

Fair points, and nice to see someone with a REAL perspective who understands. However, that does not ameliorate the way Kyle Flood tried to sneak around referring to OPRA and meeting the professor in Princeton and telling him he is not wearing Rutgers gear so he would not be recognized, even after the academic advisor warned him. Looking at it in a light most favorably to Kyle Flood, his stubborn nature and his belief that he was ultimately doing the right thing made him believe that skirting his employer's rules were OK. Looking at it in a light most negatively to Kyle Flood, he selfishly and desperately did not want to lose one of his best defensive secondary players and he blindly ignored the rules hoping his "good guy" image would save him. I would like to believe it was the former, but only Kyle Flood can answer that question. I am disappointed in the way he handled himself, especially when the head coach is supposed to set the tone for the whole organization---follow the rules.

 

[Knight_Light]

Its one of the lead/main topics on ESPN Mike & Mike this AM.

 

[Scarlet16E]

Knight Shift - I agree 100%.

I'm hoping that Kyle can learn from this and we can move on.

 

[ron313]

I get in my car and hear them talking Kyle Flood, and I put my
finger on the button ready to change the channel. What I got
was a pleasant surprise. The read the E Mail, and agreed there
was nothing intimidating about the letter. Flood went out of his
way to ensure the teacher he would back up his decision 100%.
and that decision would be final. and he would have no problem
with it. However, he says if you can help me help this student.I,ll
be appreciative. Any extra work will be on football time only,
and not take from other school work. Boomer says obviously,
this guy hates sports and was out to cause trouble. and the
papers and other media doing what they do and pounced on the
negative. Boomer went on to explain most people on the outside
don't understand the relationship between the players and the
coaches, how the coaches do everything they can to help
these young kids be successful in life..
He went on to explain how it was with him when he went to
Maryland and his relationship with the coaches.
I lnow some on this board will tear this perspective apart but
don't bother Politi and the rest already have done enough.

Love it. That's my take on it. I would want my kid to play for Flood.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Before we fall off the couch blowing ourselves, who here thinks HCKF does this for a back-up left guard? How much of this has to do with the embarrassment, here and in the media, of having a once 4 star recruit ineligible?

And I like B&C, but they don't exactly have their finger on the pulse of this program. If you don't read the entire report, the seriousness of Flood's actions are absent in your analysis.

Let's get real...

 

[joshk ru03]

ruhusonfan. First off it has nothing to do with stars. Too many on here worry about that and i am sure Flood does not. It has to do with him helping a student who needed help. The back up left guard probably has a 3.5 gpa, but if he needed help Flood would have gone to bat for him as well. Do you really thing HCKF has a board of all of his players star ratings and uses that to guide him on who he is going to help. You need to get real.

 

[MozRU]

Flood knew what he was doing was wrong the entire time. I find it incredible in today's day an age Flood would put this all in print. It is known many RU faculty hate big time athletics and nothing good would come out of it (they are too stupid to realize bigger sports = better students, unless you are in the NESCAC and you don't need sports).

I appreciate Boomer's take but this isn't SEC country let alone Maryland where there is more cooperation. Its NJ. Everyone wants to take you down for their own benefit while their own neighborhood burns around them. Stupid culture.

Flood is cheap so that is why he is sticking around. But his actions were way out of line. Its not as though this kid was the last piece of a national championship run. Flood must be desperate. Add that on top of everything else (brutal performance in the AAC and any team with a pulse, the arrests). Shaking my head.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

ruhusonfan. First off it has nothing to do with stars. Too many on here worry about that and i am sure Flood does not. It has to do with him helping a student who needed help. The back up left guard probably has a 3.5 gpa, but if he needed help Flood would have gone to bat for him as well. Do you really thing HCKF has a board of all of his players star ratings and uses that to guide him on who he is going to help. You need to get real.

Right...

HCKF is alluding to avoiding OPRA requests in his emails and wearing Groucho Marx mustache and glasses in front of the Princeton Library, but the embarrassment of one of his highest profile recruits flunking out never factored into his calculus.

SUUUUURRRRREEEEEEEE....

 

[rutino]

ruhusonfan. First off it has nothing to do with stars. Too many on here worry about that and i am sure Flood does not. It has to do with him helping a student who needed help. The back up left guard probably has a 3.5 gpa, but if he needed help Flood would have gone to bat for him as well. Do you really thing HCKF has a board of all of his players star ratings and uses that to guide him on who he is going to help. You need to get real.

On page 4 of the report Flood and the academic advisor discussed that the PR from Barnwell's ineligiblilty would be bad because the student was a top recruit.

 

[ScarletNYC]

ruhusonfan. First off it has nothing to do with stars. Too many on here worry about that and i am sure Flood does not. It has to do with him helping a student who needed help. The back up left guard probably has a 3.5 gpa, but if he needed help Flood would have gone to bat for him as well. Do you really thing HCKF has a board of all of his players star ratings and uses that to guide him on who he is going to help. You need to get real.

You're a fool if you think Flood knowingly breaks a rule for a backup guard. Just one of the sheep.

 

[joshk ru03]

Wow you really are not in touch with reality my friend

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Wow you really are not in touch with reality my friend

Are you serious?

Before we continue this charade of a conversation, honestly answer if you've read the report or not...

 

[MozRU]

Right...

HCKF is alluding to avoiding OPRA requests in his emails and wearing Groucho Marx mustache and glasses in front of the Princeton Library, but the embarrassment of one of his highest profile recruits flunking out never factored into his calculus.

SUUUUURRRRREEEEEEEE....

Agreed. A kid can't get a D on his own? Really? If you show up everyday, show your are trying a professor WON'T fail you. You put your career on the line for that?

 

[joshk ru03]

So floid ignored the advisors when they told him not to meet with the professor but when they tell him the pr is going to be bad now he's going to listen to him

 

[srru86]

Right...

...wearing Groucho Marx mustache and glasses...

I could not help but be reminded of this...

 

[ruhudsonfan]

So floid ignored the advisors when they told him not to meet with the professor but when they tell him the pr is going to be bad now he's going to listen to him

You are dense and have a drastic inability to follow a time line and infer what the flow of the conversation is.

Do you honestly think that there are no conversations among the coaching staff and the academic support staff over the eligibility of certain high profile players? Or are you one of these Fantasyland guys that thing everyone in the program is treated the same?

 

[rutino]

So floid ignored the advisors when they told him not to meet with the professor but when they tell him the pr is going to be bad now he's going to listen to him

You need to read the report. That isn't how the conversation went down. Regardless, if Flood chose to ignore advice and forge ahead he alone is accountable for his actions.

 

[joshk ru03]

Ok. I'll have to read the full report because I only got the highlights. I'll bow out on this one as I have not had time to read the full report.

 

[biazza38]

Wait a second, the only thing Nadir had to do in order to be eligible was to pass the class? Are you kidding me?

 

[ruhudsonfan]

You need to read the report. That isn't how the conversation went down. Regardless, if Flood chose to ignore advice and forge ahead he alone is accountable for his actions.

Exactly. Another person arguing the case without reading the report...

 

[cougarpines]

This article from Yahoo Sports is ridiculous. I can't believe how this has been blown out of proportion.

"Only problem is, the only time the Big Ten’s New York-area school makes news is when it is embarrassing itself. Which, from nearly the day it accepted the infamous invitation, has been all the time."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rutger...ues-to-drag-down-big-ten-010806500-ncaaf.html

 

[AreYouNUTS]

- been saying for weeks now on my distro, to other posters on these boards privately through e-mails/texts/etc,, and even here once or twice, that Flood must have "known his secondary was in trouble," simply based on he single e-mail sent - which was just my opinion - but now knowing ALL the stupid shit he did, and the "sneaking around," etc, etc., there' NO doubt in my mind he was doing this because was trying to salvage a secondary he felt would be, maybe, the difference between 5 and 7 wins this season and, if he did all this knowing that his secondary may have been part of the off-field altercations (which he claims to have known about, through other members of the program, but not to have known exactly "who" was involved, which I find rather funny, btw...) and that, maybe, Barnwell was a part of that group, then he REALLY is walking around with a big "D'Oh" over his head right now.

- it's not about "wanting the best for his kids," or "doing everything he can to help," it's about doing things he wasn't supposed to do, skipping courses he was supposed to take to ensure that he knew better, about purposely attempting to "sneak around" to hide what he was doing, and about flat-out NOT taking the advice, of the academic support staff, and continuing the harassment of the professor about a grade. Helping him with the paper a little, with "ideas" and "editing," eh, I have no problem with that, but, on top of everything else, Boomer is just wrong and, well, living in the early 80's of the college football world.

 

[RobotHunter]

Flood emailed the prof 2 days after meeting her and said 'let me know when you make the change in the system' before Barnwell even did the paper. Flood was insinuating that this change was a done deal and that prob put pressure on the prof. Combine that with him trying to avoid OPRA requests, the Princeton meeting he was told not to do and all the arrests I'm surprised he still has a job.

 

[saran]

Any coach at RU would have to know about the landmines involved with media, hostile staff, quisling admins etc. Flood decided to walk through that minefield like a boob.

 

[Felix]

I get in my car and hear them talking Kyle Flood, and I put my
finger on the button ready to change the channel. What I got
was a pleasant surprise. The read the E Mail, and agreed there
was nothing intimidating about the letter. Flood went out of his
way to ensure the teacher he would back up his decision 100%.
and that decision would be final. and he would have no problem
with it. However, he says if you can help me help this student.I,ll
be appreciative. Any extra work will be on football time only,
and not take from other school work. Boomer says obviously,
this guy hates sports and was out to cause trouble. and the
papers and other media doing what they do and pounced on the
negative. Boomer went on to explain most people on the outside
don't understand the relationship between the players and the
coaches, how the coaches do everything they can to help
these young kids be successful in life..
He went on to explain how it was with him when he went to
Maryland and his relationship with the coaches.
I lnow some on this board will tear this perspective apart but
don't bother Politi and the rest already have done enough.

Sounds to me like Boomer bought into the very mindset that led to the present situation and that mindset and culture apparently existed at Maryland in the early 80s. I have heard opinions of other former high D-1 players who completely disagree with the take offered by Boomer. Yes, the relationship between players and certain coaches can be life changing and very special. That still doesn't mean that rules should not be followed and, apparently here, purposely skirted.

 

[Knight Shift]

This article from Yahoo Sports is ridiculous. I can't believe how this has been blown out of proportion.

"Only problem is, the only time the Big Ten’s New York-area school makes news is when it is embarrassing itself. Which, from nearly the day it accepted the infamous invitation, has been all the time."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rutger...ues-to-drag-down-big-ten-010806500-ncaaf.html

I did not even have to click on the article to know who wrote it. Forde is an @sshat who seems to have a "thing" for slamming Rutgers and the B1G.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I did not even have to click on the article to know who wrote it. Forde is an @sshat who seems to have a "thing" for slamming Rutgers and the B1G.

They drag him on BTN sometimes to be the counter view since he hates the Big Ten so much. To keep things balance.

The Anti-Sports people at Rutgers are loving that article, however.

 

[Caliknight]

Right...

HCKF is alluding to avoiding OPRA requests in his emails and wearing Groucho Marx mustache and glasses in front of the Princeton Library, but the embarrassment of one of his highest profile recruits flunking out never factored into his calculus.

SUUUUURRRRREEEEEEEE....

I actually believe he would do it for any of his players. And let's not embellish the fake mustaches and wigs. It belittles your argument, which I believe you have one. To some extent.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I actually believe he would do it for any of his players. And let's not embellish the fake mustaches and wigs. It belittles your argument, which I believe you have one. To some extent.

If you think Flood would:

1. Write an e-mail from a personal account to avoid "the public vetting process" whatever the hell that even means;

2. Ignore the advice of the support staff who's job it is to handle these situations;

3. Pursue the matter further AFTER the support staff person tells him "they wanted nothing to do with this" because it was a landmine;

4. Admits to not knowing a core principal of the university;

5. Admits to blowing off the training class that supports point 4 above;

6. Doesn't know that his contract has a "policy and procedure clause in it";

7. Lied to the media and the fans all summer about what we were all actually waiting for (he repeatedly referred to a grade in a summer course);

8. Conducting a half assed clandestine meeting in a town 10 miles down the road and told the prof that he would not be wearing RU gear in an attempt to avoid recognition;

9. Would sit in front of reporters and admit to having multiple contact with faculty about student athletes;

10. Be so tone deaf to the relationship between faculty and athletics as to refer to them as "part of his program";

11. E-mail the prof YET AGAIN before Barnwell even submitted the missing paper asking if the grade was changed;

for any and every player on the team, then his pure ignorance and stupidity should result in his immediate termination for cause, and the university should offer no settlement thereby taking the case to court.

And you are repeatedly making moral equivalences between RU and every other rogue rule breaking university. My argument is not the one being belittled here.

 

[Caliknight]

What other rogue universities exactly?

They should have fired him then. Or not. But this half ass cover yourself punishment does nothing.

The administration has no balls.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

What other rogue universities exactly?

They should have fired him then. Or not. But this half ass cover yourself punishment does nothing.

The administration has no balls.

You tell me which ones. You're the one making the equivalences, not me.

You're saying if winning was important, this wouldn't be an issue. You've said "UNC had 2 decades of phony classes." In the past, you've held up USC as a model of alumni pride and athletic accomplishment. You've said Maryland is ahead of us in so many ways.

I wouldn't get too comfortable thinking this is the end of this saga for Flood.

Leonte losing his shit probably forced the administration to act on the e-mail decision before they were ready. Giving Flood a hefty punishment buys them time. It shouldn't shock anyone if he is indeed fired before his 3 weeks are up.

The administration doesn't owe you, me, HCKF or anyone else for that matter, a demonstration of their balls. Their job is to protect the overall reputation of the university. That is what any risk management group in a company does. They, uh, MANAGE RISK. Flood heaped a whole steaming pile of enterprise risk turds on their desk. Now, people who haven't taken the time to familiarize themselves with the details of the report are clamoring that Barchi has no balls. It's absurd. Barchi's job isn't limited to the football program. Right, wrong or indifferent, Barchi has ushered in a merger with the medical school and is laying the groundwork for public private partnerships in Life Sciences, which will lead to 10 figure monetizations down the road. Meanwhile, his dimwitted football coach is singlehandedly--literally SINGLE HANDEDLY as no one else would get involved with this caper with him--tearing down the academic reputation of the program.

I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that the media, both local and national, isn't going to take the time to learn the details. Mike and Mike on ESPN this morning blasted Flood and his intentions as a means of circumventing the sanctity of the process. Those perceptions become reality. We don't have the gravitas of UNC to weather those storms. We don't have Phil Knight money. Or T. Boone Pickens money. Or the history of Bo and Woody or Knute Rockne. We can't weather homicides or kids falling out of scissor lifts at practice. In the grand scheme, we're nobody--except the newest member of the B10 which seems to self implode every 6 months on the national stage.

 

[Caliknight]

By not having any balls, the administration is making the school look worse. That's the point.

Umm yea, let's look at USC an example. With all of their problems, they still win. Their school is still awesome, and their academic reputation is rising every year, far above Rutgers now.

They also don't outside forces dictate what they do. They control their destiny, not some media hounds and self righteous professors.

It's part of the reason why they win and we are a national embarrassment. What Rutgers is doing clearly isn't working.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

By not having any balls, the administration is making the school look worse. That's the point.

Umm yea, let's look at USC an example. With all of their problems, they still win. Their school is still awesome, and their academic reputation is rising every year, far above Rutgers now.

They also don't outside forces dictate what they do. They control their destiny, not some media hounds and self righteous professors.

It's part of the reason why they win and we are a national embarrassment. What Rutgers is doing clearly isn't working.

Do your best to think in more than one plane at a time.

USC has passed us because NJ doesn't invest money in Rutgers. When NJ was investing money in Rutgers, it was ranked in the Top 35 and USC was about 60. And I don't want to hear about "winning" because USC has been winning since the 1940s.

USC's rise is dandy. It's not directly correlated to Pete Carroll, Carson Palmer and Reggie Bush--which is the analogy you're trying to make.

We're a national embarrassment because we don't spend on coaches. The very guy you're going to the mattreses for is not qualified to the coach. We might not have won at a high level under Greg, but we weren't an embarrassment. RU were media darlings, between Greg's gap toothed smile and Imus calling the women nappy headed hoes.

Logically, the portrait you're trying to paint doesn't follow the timeline of the actual events.

And RU's reputation is once again rising--not coincidentally, that rise accompanies B10 membership and a huge bond issuance by the state.

You don't like the state of things, write a check for a "winning" coach.

 

[knightfan7]

Before we fall off the couch blowing ourselves, who here thinks HCKF does this for a back-up left guard? How much of this has to do with the embarrassment, here and in the media, of having a once 4 star recruit ineligible?

And I like B&C, but they don't exactly have their finger on the pulse of this program. If you don't read the entire report, the seriousness of Flood's actions are absent in your analysis.

Let's get real...

He went out of his way to help T Johnson, giving him a position on the staff after it became apparent he'd never play again. It bit him on the ass but was he trying to give a kid with a "past" a direction in life? He gave Peele a 2nd or 3rd chance even tho he wasn't going to start.

No reasonable person can say KF didn't cross the line. Hell, he obliterated it. I just don't agree he wouldn't do this for many kids.

 

[Caliknight]

I would request the same of you. Why is it you think USC is so well funded by alum giving?

I give a lot to the department. After my last pledged installment (man of my word), I shall give no more until I find this administration no longer embarrassing. When I see they are truly interested in winning, I'll reconsider.

That place is a political cesspool. Giving is rewarding exceptionally poor leadership. It would be like knowingly investing in a bad company.

 

[RU4Real]

I actually believe he would do it for any of his players. And let's not embellish the fake mustaches and wigs. It belittles your argument, which I believe you have one. To some extent.

Nonsense.

The lines haven't really been drawn in the media narrative, here, but the events surrounding Nadir Barnwell and the events surrounding the Drug Posse are inexorably linked.

The cops started sniffing around the Boggs thing in April. The fight involving Peele, Barnwell, etc., was in August. Anybody with half an ounce of sense would have understood that the secondary was in serious deep shit going into the season. Flood probably figured that Barnwell was salvageable - maybe. Plus, the guy's a potential star. Even from the fan's perspective, Barnwell was the anchor of the cornerback rotation. He was the guy who was going to get it done. The prospect of losing him would be a huge weight - especially in a year when there's extraordinary pressure to win and the offence is breaking in a new QB.

This was a specifically targeted exercise. A lesser player in the cast of characters wouldn't have gotten the same treatment. Hell, that's already been proven. Our APR isn't perfect. Guys have left the program for academic reasons. Yet, this is generally agreed to be, after an investigation, the first time Flood threw himself under a bus for a kid's eligibility.

 

[knightfan7]

Nonsense.

The lines haven't really been drawn in the media narrative, here, but the events surrounding Nadir Barnwell and the events surrounding the Drug Posse are inexorably linked.

The cops started sniffing around the Boggs thing in April. The fight involving Peele, Barnwell, etc., was in August. Anybody with half an ounce of sense would have understood that the secondary was in serious deep shit going into the season. Flood probably figured that Barnwell was salvageable - maybe. Plus, the guy's a potential star. Even from the fan's perspective, Barnwell was the anchor of the cornerback rotation. He was the guy who was going to get it done. The prospect of losing him would be a huge weight - especially in a year when there's extraordinary pressure to win and the offence is breaking in a new QB.

This was a specifically targeted exercise. A lesser player in the cast of characters wouldn't have gotten the same treatment. Hell, that's already been proven. Our APR isn't perfect. Guys have left the program for academic reasons. Yet, this is generally agreed to be, after an investigation, the first time Flood threw himself under a bus for a kid's eligibility.

If as you say he knew about the fight, why bother? Can't be both scenarios.

 

[knightfan7]

Nonsense.

The lines haven't really been drawn in the media narrative, here, but the events surrounding Nadir Barnwell and the events surrounding the Drug Posse are inexorably linked.

The cops started sniffing around the Boggs thing in April. The fight involving Peele, Barnwell, etc., was in August. Anybody with half an ounce of sense would have understood that the secondary was in serious deep shit going into the season. Flood probably figured that Barnwell was salvageable - maybe. Plus, the guy's a potential star. Even from the fan's perspective, Barnwell was the anchor of the cornerback rotation. He was the guy who was going to get it done. The prospect of losing him would be a huge weight - especially in a year when there's extraordinary pressure to win and the offence is breaking in a new QB.

This was a specifically targeted exercise. A lesser player in the cast of characters wouldn't have gotten the same treatment. Hell, that's already been proven. Our APR isn't perfect. Guys have left the program for academic reasons. Yet, this is generally agreed to be, after an investigation, the first time Flood threw himself under a bus for a kid's eligibility.

If as you say he knew about the fight, why bother? Can't be both scenarios.

 

[RU4Real]

If as you say he knew about the fight, why bother? Can't be both scenarios.

Why bother?

Why bother emailing a professor after you're specifically told not to?

Why bother telling that professor that you're emailing between private accounts so that there's no public record?

Why bother telling an academic advisor that you're specifically trying to circumvent OPRA?

Why bother setting up a clandestine meeting with a professor at a location 15 miles from campus and intentionally wearing non-Rutgers attire so you won't be recognized?

Desperation. Pure and simple.