If Eddie wins 10 games next year he will be removed. I hope we don't waste 2017. Time to remove the bandaid.
Booster comment on Jordan's and fans call for change or no change
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they display it by not going, indifference, general lack of any atmosphere at the RAC is a constant. Its an apathetic crowd for the most part except for a few cheers here and there. I think everyone is resigned to the fate
it is but do you think its possible to go from 6-26 to 16-16...I don't. Fans who are saying this are dealing in a best case scenario that we have not seen happen at this school. More like we get to 13-19/12-20 and then once again we are faced with the same no mans land and at that point you might as well keep him another year. I against a one year trial..its got to be fired this year or two more years
no, this was never a 2 or 3 year build. Just look at Danny Hurley demanding 7 years for an idea of his timeframe to build it.
Every time the hurley 7 year demand is mentioned, no one responds. Except one guy who said, he did not need that long but he was just using the bad spot that Rutgers was in after Rice to get a few more years upfront.
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You're ignoring the fact that the on the court product and the record has regressed. And recruiting this year is down. There has been no improvement.
oh by the way Hurley has 3 injured players including I believe their best player and last time I checked they were 14-10
well one he never would have been hired. Eddie never got a sniff from any coaching opening and only got this one because of our dire straights and because we were too cheap/shortsighted to go after Howland
but yeah he would have easily been let go if not an alum, I have no doubt on that at all
I think EJ comes back even if RU goes O for the B1G schedule. However, there is still no guarantee that the roster will be healthy or full as you mentioned. Injuries are unpredictable and part of the game. The same is true for attrition via transferring.
URI has markedly improved under Hurley. They went from 7 wins to 23 wins and a spot in the NIT in just three seasons. RU has not been in the NIT since Waters. I would prefer Amaker or Lonergan over Hurley. But, RU could do a lot worse than Hurley.
That's the thing with speculation and opinion...no way to prove it. All you can is do is keep saying it over and over to the point where you'll have some people agreeing and accepting it as fact. BUT, it's still just opinion and speculation.
But posters are essentially guaranteeing a healthy Team coached by Eddie will be markedly better next year when the previous Jordan coached teams don't show that trend.
I disagree with this....5 of the next 6 games are winnable. I don't expect them to win all or even half but if he cant pull a win or two out here somewhere that's a bad sign for this team. And there cant be any blowouts. Talent differential is not all that great against these schools besides the obvious one against MSU.
the numbers of 34 straight Big 10 losses, 0-41 vs rpi top 250 and 41 losses in 46 games are just too much of a bad stain to overcome
All opinions and speculation. One of the reasons I have NEVER participated in any prediction thread, while it may be good board conversation, it's silly.
I am hoping for a full, healthy roster next year and a NIT run. It is less about opinion and more about me hoping for the best in a sea of unknown next year.
You realize you have to win 18 or 19 games next year to get to the NIT, right? That's 10 OOC wins and then 8 conference wins. Thats, at minimum, a 10 win increase on this season.
so a program that has lost 27 straight games against conference opponents and who may go 34 straight games without a win vs conference opponents and with a possible record of 5-41 in its last 46 games is suddenly going to win 18 games or more to make the NIT...got it. I forget to read about the 3 all americans we are bringing in next year.
The one thing that I can always count on be true is Rutgers fans overrating incoming players and wildly counting on improvement from average players
This isn't 1992 when a15-14 RU team that finished 8th in a then-9 team Atlantic 10 made the NIT.
As another poster said, it takes a lot more than that these days.
As another poster said, it takes a lot more than that these days.
Most of the schools that offered Corey backed off of him. Michigan really wanted him at one point, Florida was involved, granted that was Billy Donovan's staff, then they backed off as well. Multiple sources told me that they were unable to wait for Corey to get fully qualified so schools moved on to other point guard options. There were other reasons as well.
Ultimately, it worked out great for RU.
Looking at the schedule one can easily speculate that the team this year may have gone 13-19 with a full and healthy roster. Using the severely undermanned 6 win team year as the baseline is not the way to look at the situation.
Just off the top of my head..... a full and healthy roster probably beats SJ, Wake, Monmouth, Illinois, maybe Creighton, maybe home against OSU. Yes, having a big body 6' 11 ",260 Doorson off the bench helps a lot down low in his two strong areas....defense and rebounding.
It's all speculation....no one knows.......well, there is one recent poster in this thread that knows everything and is always right.
Just off the top of my head..... a full and healthy roster probably beats SJ, Wake, Monmouth, Illinois, maybe Creighton, maybe home against OSU. Yes, having a big body 6' 11 ",260 Doorson off the bench helps a lot down low in his two strong areas....defense and rebounding.
It's all speculation....no one knows.......well, there is one recent poster in this thread that knows everything and is always right.
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But he didn't take the job, so you can only guess if he would have more wins.
The Rams are only 14-11 so far this season , so maybe Danny isn't the savior like some thought he was.
There is a reason Danny isn't the RU MBB HC and it's not because RU didn't discuss the job with him.
Maybe Danny felt he wouldn't be showing progress in his third year and wanted to make sure he had enough time to fix the mess he'd be walking into.
We can guess what Hurley would or would not have done as the RU HC, but the fact is he isn't and my guess is that was his choice.
When "he" says something it's not opinion, guess or speculation.....it's fact with a capital F.
It's not that the fanbase *is* split, but that the fanbase *has* split. Attendance is down 21% from last season (which saw a boost from joining the Big Ten). At this point, we have our second lowest average attendance since we joined the Big East twenty years ago... the lowest was Jordan's first season after the Rice scandal.
Looking back at the last eight coaches, Jordan has the second lowest average attendance (4918)... still well ahead of Littlepage (3308), but behind Hill (5133). We're a far cry from the Waters era, which averaged 6245 or the Bannon era that averaged 6771. Over the Bannon/Waters period from 1997-2006, we averaged 6479 for home games. Right now, we're at 4561... which is a drop of about 30% in attendance from the start of the Hill era to this season.
And that's counting all tickets sold... which includes visiting fans, who have at times outnumbered the home fans..
The people who actually go to Rutgers games are in a niche minority in the state, and of that minority there is a difference of opinion on whether or not the coach should be retained. Most people in the state don't care one way or the other - and probably couldn't even name the coach or any of the players.
Looking back at the last eight coaches, Jordan has the second lowest average attendance (4918)... still well ahead of Littlepage (3308), but behind Hill (5133). We're a far cry from the Waters era, which averaged 6245 or the Bannon era that averaged 6771. Over the Bannon/Waters period from 1997-2006, we averaged 6479 for home games. Right now, we're at 4561... which is a drop of about 30% in attendance from the start of the Hill era to this season.
And that's counting all tickets sold... which includes visiting fans, who have at times outnumbered the home fans..
The people who actually go to Rutgers games are in a niche minority in the state, and of that minority there is a difference of opinion on whether or not the coach should be retained. Most people in the state don't care one way or the other - and probably couldn't even name the coach or any of the players.
Interesting and certainly not an endorsement for retaining EJ. More people not caring is not a good thing from a program that should be at least holding its own revenue wise. I know its been a long time since that has been the case but your attendance statistics are eye opening to see how far it has fallen despite being in the big ten. If you counted people going through the turnstiles it would probably be worse.
Playing young players and having no bigs will do that. sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward. With Sanders, we have an important building block we can build around.
"Have to credit Rutgers fans, still turning out in pretty solid numbers. And still not a single notable instance of booing this season. I told my media colleagues: Eddie Jordan will not get booed. He has too much equity with the Rutgers fans who still care enough to show up to games. One day your ship will come in, folks, and when it does, you will have earned it. (Keep eating your vegetables)."
Gotta love Rutgers fans. Throw out Hurley's name as the answer. URI isn't playing in the B1G the last time I checked. Using his record as a point of comparison is irrelevant really. And Amaker as the next savior because he has a relationship with Hobbs. We do realize that Amaker hasn't had to recruit like B1G coaches do in the last decade. He gets the list of the kids that are brilliant and play basketball and then go visit them. The ones that are an inch or so short or a step or two slow choose between Harvard and Yale. The rest choose between the rest of the Ivy League.
The Ohio State game did see a bump up in numbers to 5658 in attendance. It was the third highest attended game this season behind Monmouth and Indiana, and just ahead of Seton Hall.
The prior conference home games:
Illinois: 4500
#9 Iowa: 4209
#22 Purdue: 5085
Nebraska: 4454
Indiana: 6002
That doesn't carve out season ticket holders who didn't show, or opposing fans. I was at the Iowa game, and I know that a good portion of that 4200 were cheering for the Hawkeyes. Our highest attended game was Monmouth (6637...83% full) and that was given a huge boost by Monmouth fans.
Still, our Q Score is essentially nonexistent in the state right now. No one really cares if EJ is fired or retained outside a very small group of a few thousand people... only a small handful of which are represented on this board.
hello....RU was only missing Doorson for some of those games, EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL HAS AT LEAST ONE GUY HURT OR OUT AND POSSIBLY MORE....so don't try pulling that argument out for the non conference games because RU was full roster basically until Freeman got hurt. Your list of schools we should have beat is laughable. We SHOULD have beat SJU because we had a 13 point lead against a younger and more depleted program than ours. We should have beat Wake because we had a 13 point lead against a young team that played poorly. The Illinois game matched up two schools with both had 3 players out so the injury excuse doesn't work for that one oh and by the way they just had one big man too.
here we go again with more arrogance......What bac says is fact. What anyone else says is a stupid opinion. God love him, he is NEVER wrong, but those with a different opinion are Always wrong. I saw a post that Freeman went down against Wake in the 2nd. Injuries happen and they always impact a game. Here's another Bacism....when Rutgers has a close games or plays well it's ALWAYS because the other team played poorly......lol
Drop the arrogance...no one likes arrogance .
yes, both Rutgers and Illinois were hurting. That's a valid point. But, I have not checked, were Illinois' injuries concentrated in one area....all big men?
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The sole fact that makes me think this could be true is the $50k donation.
It is what it is. Another year of this will deepen the hole for the next coach, no doubt. But at least it seems unlikely that it could get much deeper. And basketball can be turned around more quickly than other sports with the right coach.
and FDU hits a few more foul shots, RU loses that game, Central Arkansas hits a 3 RU loses that game...so yeah we could be 4-20 right now..actually 3-20...see two can play that game
if you bothered to read the board, I extensively posted about Illinois and their injuries. They only played one guy over 6ft 7
Amaker could always recruit but the problem is he can't coach at this level, which is why he is in the Ivy League.
I agree but that doesn't mean I'm wrong about his recruiting. He recruits from a position of strength. We recruit from a position of weakness.
The won/loss record isn't opinion or speculation but rather reality.Some fans continue to believe in the if world regarding mens basketball.Decades of futility have turned me off that approach .Ifs and buts don't change the fact that Rutgers lacks the talent to successfully compete in the B1G.
