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Bring in Rettig

Ash is not a fool. There is nothing Rettig could have done to be declared the starter or even leader during Spring. He will win the job outright in the summer. Little by little Ash is taking Laviano down to earth. It's more of a gradual demotion. Just listen to comment Ash has made during Spring. Laviano has a year of experience over Rettig. If Ash wanted him as the starter it would be so obvious by now.
 
It's pretty simple, like all backup players that want to start...the next time Rettig takes the field, make it impossible for coach to take you out.
 
It's pretty simple, like all backup players that want to start...the next time Rettig takes the field, make it impossible for coach to take you out.
It is not a coincidence that Hayden came back much improved after spring practice last year .He spent time with QB guru Anton Clarkson .He will go back to Cal again for a week to work with Clarkson prior to summer camp.The foundation will be tweaked & look for Hayden to do what is necessary to pull away.
 
Please know, Laviano totally missed on his two long passes. One
he over threw and one under threw Rettig completed his long passes,
and one for a touchdown. Just saying. Also Rettig had a great post game
press interview, saying amongst other things when classes are over
he has a personal trainer coming in, to help with training for this system.
Sounding positive all the way. On the other hand Laviano declared
himself unavailable to the press.
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And Rettig missed on his last 4 straight long passes to close out the game. Bad decisions and bad passes thrown into coverage. Please tell me you saw that.
 
You guys crack me up! This is a Spring Scrimmage with a brand new "O" and new "D" being installed with what, 10 practices? What did you expect out there, Joe Montana, Tom Brady,....
Let's see if they continue to grow and if they can "master" this offense, of course, both these guys are not a fit for the type of offense Coach wants to run. I think Oden takes over sometime during the year and doesn't look back. I think our coaches will be willing to go thru growing pains with Oden than couple of Qb's who aren't a fit for the system.
 
It is not a coincidence that Hayden came back much improved after spring practice last year .He spent time with QB guru Anton Clarkson .He will go back to Cal again for a week to work with Clarkson prior to summer camp.The foundation will be tweaked & look for Hayden to do what is necessary to pull away.

Laviano started the spring the clear leader. He ended the spring even with Rettig. Now is that because Rettig got better, or Laviano got worse? Take your pick based on what side you are on.

We'll see what they bring when summer practice starts.
Never a dull moment with Laviano supporters. You guys are like the people who obsessively hate Donald Trump. The second you hear someone mention voting for him you immediately jump down their throats.

I think you have it backwards. Laviano fans are like establishment Republicans. Their guy isn't winning so all the candidates must suck.
 
Anyone with eyes would take Barry over smith. Smith played behind one of the best O-lines in NFL history. Scary to imagine what Barry could have done if he was on Dallas. Smith would have been a bum on the lions

Side note: please don't bring trump into this. Trump and all supporters are complete morons and an embarrassment to the country
 
And Rettig missed on his last 4 straight long passes to close out the game. Bad decisions and bad passes thrown into coverage. Please tell me you saw that.

Huh ???
How about Grant dropping a perfect pass ( right thru his hands) just in the Endzone from Rettig.
The second pass was a ball that Patton could have caught in the corner of the Endzone if he fought for the ball.
 
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Ash is not a fool. There is nothing Rettig could have done to be declared the starter or even leader during Spring. He will win the job outright in the summer. Little by little Ash is taking Laviano down to earth. It's more of a gradual demotion. Just listen to comment Ash has made during Spring. Laviano has a year of experience over Rettig. If Ash wanted him as the starter it would be so obvious by now.

+1, I really like this. It would indicate a level of sophistication and understanding of nuance, as well as dynamic and fluid leadership from Coach Ash.

If so, then Coach Ash is a brilliant football mind. I truly hope this is the case. He did after all learn from the QB Whisperer, Urban Meyer.
 
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Lol what did you guys expect??? Seriously, it's the teams first time running a completely new offense in a somewhat real game situation. It takes time. I don't expect the team to look the same on gameday when we play Washington in September as we do today. With that said shut up and watch the game...

While that is true, I expect that when a D1 QB throws a pass that it goes where he intended it. Laviano seems to have difficulty throwing long and Rettig seems to have some general accuracy issues on occasion.

On top of arm strength and accuracy you then have knowing the playbook, mastering the system, making great pre-snap reads and audibles, communicating the play to the team, reading coverage, decision making, escapability, ability to run the ball, ability to take a hit, durability, not fumbling, etc etc etc.

But of the two, I haven't seen Rettig's occasional inaccurate throws result in ints. He doesn't seem to be "wild in the strike zone", to mix metaphors. Meanwhile I think Caroo's ability to comeback and compete for the ball on underthrown long balls has resulted in Laviano looking like he can throw the deep ball. I don't think he can. I think opposing teams will know that he cannot and they can then go tighter on coverage on the short and medium pass zone which will help in run support situations as well.

Bottom line: I think we need to see much more of Rettig in game situations order to know who is best. And maybe the new guy will be obviously better than both. I think we can trust Ash to make the right call. he has no "baggage" in this area, unlike Flood who, seemed to me, was trying to differentiate himself from Schiano is picking a QB and sticking with him no matter what. I think Ash and staff will make the right call, even if it differs with my relatively uninformed opinion.
 
Better watch it.....making too much sense. Just like politics: best to avoid being reactionary and emotional and going by pre-conceived notions. Listen/watch to what they've done/said in the past. What they're doing /saying now. Don't just look at one throw, one fumble, examine the total package.
 
Huh ???
How about Grant dropping a perfect pass ( right thru his hands) just in the Endzone from Rettig.
The second pass was a ball that Patton could have caught in the corner of the Endzone if he fought for the ball.

Rettig 2 for 8 on long passes in the game. If Ash sits him that will be the 3rd coaching staff that thinks he best serves his team sitting on the bench.
 
Rettig 2 for 8 on long passes in the game. If Ash sits him that will be the 3rd coaching staff that thinks he best serves his team sitting on the bench.

3rd ?
Transferring from LSU as a true freshman certainly does not apply.... Totally off base here.
And the actual 1st Coaching staff he had at RU had a HC who was an incompetent Buffon. Keeping Nova in while throwing 6 picks vs. Kent St or the fiasco in the Russell Athletics Bowl in Orlando. Brilliant
Plus keeping CL while he was clearly struggling in games.
 
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Consistent mediocrity is better than spectacular talent. Wow, what s concept. That certainly explains why the Bulls and the Lakers never won any championships.


I think that Impertente's message/analogy that you were responding to was not correct in the use of the word Spectacular. Neither of these guys (Rettig / Laviano) has shown to have spectacular talent. If Rettig has more upside than Laviano but is very inconsistent.......I would understand why a coach would want to go with the more consistent guy when implementing a new offense. Either way, I believe that Ash will not be the type of coach to stick with one QB if he is performing poorly.

That being said I tend to look at our QB situation this way........
  • Laviano performed ok to well mostly against mediocre competition. He does not appear to be the QB to take RU to the promised land because he generally folded like a cheap suit against the better Defenses we faced. Like any QB - much of that may not be directly his fault because the RU Coaches were out-coached and the Superior Teams we played....were ....Superior in almost every way. Many RU Fans despise Laviano unreasonably because he will forever be attached at the hip to Flood, because of his relative lack of arm strength and because of his reaction to the boos when coming back in after being injured in a game where he was playing arguably his best football. I think that Laviano get's too much flack from RU Fans as he was a Sophomore in basically in his first year as starter...which would generally mean he should get better. Is he the guy I want....not really....but I'll live with him and wait as the program gets better (hopefully).
  • Rettig has a big arm and was the back-up QB behind a shaky starter on a shaky team. These factors alone make him a fan favorite. Combine that with being a 4**** recruit and transfer from a big time program to RU it has worked people up into a rabid frenzy wanting to see the kid play big minutes. Life is about opportunity and that opportunity is not for Rettig. He has a new coach and staff and a second chance to impress on an unbiased / level playing field. If he indeed is more talented than Laviano, he should work to do what it takes to show this in Camp. If he is not the starting QB coming out of Training Camp this year....should tell us all what we needed to know about the situation.
 
I'm really at the point where whoever it is, we stick with them the entire season. Nothing is more frustrating than QB controversy mid-way through the season. This is something that needs to be decided preseason and maybe the first game or two. After that, whoever is under center is the guy.
 
I'm really at the point where whoever it is, we stick with them the entire season. Nothing is more frustrating than QB controversy mid-way through the season. This is something that needs to be decided preseason and maybe the first game or two. After that, whoever is under center is the guy.
Rutgers did that last year and look how that turned out.:cry:

A lack of competition breeds complacency...right Laviano[eyeroll]
 
I'm really at the point where whoever it is, we stick with them the entire season. Nothing is more frustrating than QB controversy mid-way through the season. This is something that needs to be decided preseason and maybe the first game or two. After that, whoever is under center is the guy.

I'm okay with sticking with one guy once the starter is named, BUT not if, on a given day, he is not performing well. I never advocated for Laviano to be shown the bench for good last year, only that we not stick with what wasn't working.
 
Rutgers did that last year and look how that turned out.:cry:

A lack of competition breeds complacency...right Laviano[eyeroll]
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Just think that probably about -0-% of what happened last year is applicable to the up coming season

Also think that next season may seem odd in some ways - certainly if viewed in isolation / as just one individual season.
There may be a lot of things that are done that will only make sense in a multi-year perspective.
 
I'm really at the point where whoever it is, we stick with them the entire season. Nothing is more frustrating than QB controversy mid-way through the season. This is something that needs to be decided preseason and maybe the first game or two. After that, whoever is under center is the guy.

211 you are old school as that was Flood's view (be it right or wrong).
I just do not see that "old school' attitude in HCCA, coming from osu they did have 3 QB playing when they won the NC. Part a result of injuries and part to stimulate scoring. the spread gives more options in play calling catered to QB talent, again see osu's NC year games. Ash has already hinted He likes GR running and plans to have plays for his skill set. Just like osu. BTW the spread by it design dictates having backups ready as accidents happen when the QB must run as part of the game plan. be it a tweaked knee for a few plays or the broken bone for 6 weeks to a full season.
 
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