Carino on Shaq Doorson

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

A player is a division 1 athlete, and is getting a scholarship,correct?

It is his personal responsibility, but it is also the coaches and strength coaches responsibilities to keep check, and make sure no one is going off the deep end. Shaq went off, and no one was there.

You are right, there is a good amount of personal responsibility. One player is getting a 40000 scholarship, and the coach is getting a 1.2 million salary.

It seems like Shaqs situation got pretty dire. That is his responsibility, and the responsibility of the coaches.

Here's Rick Pitino talking about star guard Donovan Mitchell. Donovan came in at Louisville at 6'2, 180. He got too heavy last year and this year he has a goal weight. His personal responsibility to eat right, work hard and meet the weight. Yes, people need to keep track, but, that alone won't do it...Mitchell has to work hard.

RP: He's about 204 now. I never realized how heavy he was last year. You're talking about a 6'1 and a half/6'2 guard at 215. I mean, a heavy, big-boned guy should be 195. So that's our goal, to get him to play this season at 195. He's got good athleticism, he runs very well up and down the court, he jumps out of the gym, but his lateral quickness on defense is not very great, and shedding 15 pounds is going to make a big difference to his game.

How can the Great Rick Pitino not know how heavy his star guard got last year and he was playing every game ???? Lets keep in mind, a 6'2, guard being 20 pounds overweight is a LOT more noticeable than a 270 guy being 40 pounds over.

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2016/5...tino-talks-chinanu-onuaku-2016-17-roster-ncaa

 

[higgins3]

Here's Rick Pitino talking about star guard Donovan Mitchell. Donovan came in at Louisville at 6'2, 180. He got too heavy last year and this year he has a goal weight. His personal responsibility to eat right, work hard and meet the weight. Yes, people need to keep track, but, that alone won't do it...Mitchell has to work hard.

RP: He's about 204 now. I never realized how heavy he was last year. You're talking about a 6'1 and a half/6'2 guard at 215. I mean, a heavy, big-boned guy should be 195. So that's our goal, to get him to play this season at 195. He's got good athleticism, he runs very well up and down the court, he jumps out of the gym, but his lateral quickness on defense is not very great, and shedding 15 pounds is going to make a big difference to his game.

How can the Great Rick Pitino not know how heavy his star guard got last year and he was playing every game ???? Lets keep in mind, a 6'2, guard being 20 pounds overweight is a LOT more noticeable than a 270 guy being 40 pounds over.

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2016/5...tino-talks-chinanu-onuaku-2016-17-roster-ncaa

All I am saying is that it should be monitored. These coaches get paid a lot of money, and it is in their best interest to look after their players.

If I am a teacher and my student is in rough shape in some way,shape, or form, I am not just going to let it continue.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Antony Bennet at UNLV, Oliver Miller at Arkansas, Khalid El-Amin at UConn, Zach Randolph at Michigan State, Sean May at UNC, Greg Ostertag at Kansas, Glen Davis at LSU, Barkley at Auburn, Tractor Traylor at Michigan, Michael Sweetney at Georgetown, ....thats off the top of my head a list of guys who played above their "ideal" playing weight. Many played at historic programs with HOF coaches.

Were the HC's not on top of it or were the players not dedicated enough?

The reports on Doorson are certainly encouraging.

Those are guys with immense talent so that could overcome it. On the flip side, college sports has many guys and gals that have ruined their careers by being undisciplined in their eating and not working hard enough. I love it that Shaq will not be one of them and look forward to seeing him this year.

You have guys like Tariq Cole in Football, who lost 80 + pounds by eating right and exercising....then you have a guy like Ryan Brodie who never maintained a proper diet or worked hard enough to stay in shape.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Christ. Shaq is a huge guy who broke his foot and missed the entire season and was wheeling around on some contraption where he wasn't putting weight on his foot for months. Diallo broke a bone in December and actually returned to play in games before the season ended. This whole outrage that a guy who was already around 300 pounds gained some weight under those circumstances is freaking ridiculous.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Christ. Shaq is a huge guy who broke his foot and missed the entire season and was wheeling around on some contraption where he wasn't putting weight on his foot for months. Diallo broke a bone in December and actually returned to play in games before the season ended. This whole outrage that a guy who was already around 300 pounds gained some weight under those circumstances is freaking ridiculous.

This is the reason they call you " The Colonel " . Watch out, someone is about to come in and call you "clueless" for using common sense.

Game, set and match

 

[Caliknight]

It all gets back to Eddie's lack of attention to detail, or really lack of attention to seemingly anything.

Our current coach is all over this type of stuff, and rightfully so. We may not have the most talented team, but we will have a fit one. We will actually look like a D1 hoops team instead of a bunch of doughy street ballers who looked like they didn't practice.

 

[SkilletHead2]

I disagree that he comes off as clueless. I think what we need to do is stop killing Eddie for EVERY issue the bball team had/has. We are doing it now with Flood on the football board. All I heard last year was "if we had a good coach there is no way we would be getting killed." Then this off season all that was talked about was how the changes Ash is making will make a huge difference. The NUTRITION bar, the S&C coach etc will pay off huge. Guess what? We look worse than we did last year.

TALENT WINS PERIOD. The ONLY thing I will kill Eddie and/or Flood for is LOUSY recruiting. Short of that the rest of this stuff is just fluff. I am not saying it is not important. Perfect nutrition, S&C coaching, weight room being cared for. All the little things MIGHT get us an extra win. Recruiting high threee low four star players, top 150 guys year in and year out is all that matters.

This isn't even wrong. Why go for high three and low fours? We should recruit nothing but five star players and then we'd be there! Anything else is fluff!

Silly. We are who we are. Our facilities are our facilities. It looks like they will improve, and now we have what could be an excellent staff, but we need to work our way up. And that will happen with coaching, both in player development, and in game coaching.

If everything you have is great (recruiting, coaching, facilities, staff), you'll win, and if everything you have is lousy, you'll lose. But where most programs reside is in between those two.

The data on recruiting/coaching show that coaching is essential (more data on this in football than basketball). Not knocking recruiting, but if you don't do something with what you have, you're a Steve Lavin or a Cristobal. I think for both football and bball, we have who we want as HC, and in bball, the staff looks terrific as well. But it will take a couple of years in both sports to turn this around. We lost a ton of talent off of last year's football team, which I believe had a not too terrific year.

 

[RickB113]

This isn't even wrong. Why go for high three and low fours? We should recruit nothing but five star players and then we'd be there! Anything else is fluff!

Silly. We are who we are. Our facilities are our facilities. It looks like they will improve, and now we have what could be an excellent staff, but we need to work our way up. And that will happen with coaching, both in player development, and in game coaching.

If everything you have is great (recruiting, coaching, facilities, staff), you'll win, and if everything you have is lousy, you'll lose. But where most programs reside is in between those two.

The data on recruiting/coaching show that coaching is essential (more data on this in football than basketball). Not knocking recruiting, but if you don't do something with what you have, you're a Steve Lavin or a Cristobal. I think for both football and bball, we have who we want as HC, and in bball, the staff looks terrific as well. But it will take a couple of years in both sports to turn this around. We lost a ton of talent off of last year's football team, which I believe had a not too terrific year.

I am sorry. This is flat out wrong. There is NO evidence of teams winning in power five conferences without recruiting top 150 players consistently. You can fail while recruiting good, but you have no chance at winning if you are recruiting bad.

 

[TDIrish27]

In the Big Ten Iowa and Purdue put good teams on the floor almost every year and they don't get the highly rated recruits. They get some but they also get some 2 star guys who fit what they want to do.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

You are not going to win solely with 2 star guys

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

There were 2 John Williams. Hot rod and hot plate. Both went to NBA I believe

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

There were 2 John Williams. Hot rod and hot plate. Both went to NBA I believe

Dinner bell Mel Turpin

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Shaq is gaining confidence and in very good shape....he's definitely moved ahead of Diallo on the depth chart for minutes at the five...he's far from a finished product, but miles better with conditioning and stamina from what I gathered recently.

 

[higgins3]

It all gets back to Eddie's lack of attention to detail, or really lack of attention to seemingly anything.

Our current coach is all over this type of stuff, and rightfully so. We may not have the most talented team, but we will have a fit one. We will actually look like a D1 hoops team instead of a bunch of doughy street ballers who looked like they didn't practice.

Thank you for being my conscious on this one,knight. I am not bad at Doorson, or not happy about his progress, but I do think it was a joke that it had to happen, and that our old coaching staff looked over the situation.

 

[RUChoppin]

Credit to Pikiell and his staff for helping Shaq get back into shape this year, and for giving him whatever it was he needed to make that commitment.

It's okay to give coaches credit for player development. It's okay to criticize coaches if players don't develop, or if they regress. All success at the college level is not attributed to the player in a vacuum.

 

[RUinFla]

Am happy with wife #9, but will say nothing bad about #1-#8. After all, I chose them. Some people want to talk about EJ's and his staff's failings ad infinitum, but what is the point? Do you ever hear Patriot fans complaining about how bad the coach was before Chatty Billy?
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