Chances with Will Fries?
- Thread starter RC85
- Start date
Players from NJ with multiple choices and sought after don't come here. I wouldn't even recruit him. Let him be perplexed that his own state university isn't groveling over him.
Penn State or Michigan. Decision probably within the next month.
Maybe he goes by a nickname instead of Will, could be known as Curly Fries. .
So let's be mad at the kid and not the people recruiting him, awesome strategy.
So you want to continue the bitch and moan fest against our coaching staff after winning 8 games last year including s blow out bowl win.
When will a NJ kid with 50 offers realize he could do very special things right here?
By the way, I'm not mad at Fries, but we're going in another direction and recruiting out of state.
When will a NJ kid with 50 offers realize he could do very special things right here?
By the way, I'm not mad at Fries, but we're going in another direction and recruiting out of state.
What wins the last 3yrs gets your heart pumping? What wins the next 3yrs to you foresee?
Moz
You're very aware I'm a realist and tell it like I see it. I've been saying for 40 years if we kept the Fries's, Walkers and JG's home, we'd have a team full of guys capable of the same level of production as we get from Carroo and Hamilton.
The salivating and begging by our fanbase and staff isn't working, it seems the only way is 2006 like lightning in a bottle, or as some suggest, be happy we don't cheat, win 5 to 8 games a year and enjoy the fall weather and tailgate.
I'm a believer the recruiting woes and mismatches rears its ugly head on defense, Seymour will be good, but you need studs on defense, and lots of them, we are very thin and limited on defense.
You're very aware I'm a realist and tell it like I see it. I've been saying for 40 years if we kept the Fries's, Walkers and JG's home, we'd have a team full of guys capable of the same level of production as we get from Carroo and Hamilton.
The salivating and begging by our fanbase and staff isn't working, it seems the only way is 2006 like lightning in a bottle, or as some suggest, be happy we don't cheat, win 5 to 8 games a year and enjoy the fall weather and tailgate.
I'm a believer the recruiting woes and mismatches rears its ugly head on defense, Seymour will be good, but you need studs on defense, and lots of them, we are very thin and limited on defense.
Last edited:
Cue the: go root for Alabama crowd. The frustrating thing is we could be Alabama if we kept the kids home. There's a crew on here that says the NJ kids are over-rated, but the reality is our kids are starting and productive all over the country.
What's interesting to note here is that while Maryland whacks you over the head to let you know they are "Maryland's Team", Rutgers has taken the complete opposite approach and seemingly banished anything & everything "New Jersey" from the uniforms, to logos, right down to the endzone design.
You would need a ridiculous hit rate (near 100%) of NJ kids staying home and even then it would not be close to Bama. TOS has a recruiting calculator that allows you to add recruits that you want to a class and it gives you the final "score" in recruiting. I did this for the NJ four stars and high-end three stars and then added additional three stars from other states and the result was a finish of what would be 13th in the nation (if compared to last year). That's an excellent class, but that is certainly not at the Bama/OSU level.
If Rutgers wants to be a force, they cannot do it without making in-roads out of state. A 100% in state hit rate is unrealistic... 50% is more like it which means that Rutgers would get 5-6 four-plus stars from NJ. They would need another 7 or so from out of state to be in the top 10 in the nation in recruiting. That's tough sledding.
Well, when the population and politicians openly cheer against the state university or ignore you what other options do you follow. There is hate between those who love Rutgers and those who don't care. There is no in between.
Zap stop blaming the recruits for our recruiting woes. They aren't buying what is being sold to them because the sales pitch is terrible. We were able to recruit whoever we wanted in 2012. It can be done, you need the right sales team to do it.
Here's are a few things NJ Politicians can do to get NJ on Helmets etc.
1) Fund the school back to where it should be. I'd say immediate 35% increase in funding.
2) Build New Brunswick down town arena.
3) Build permanent football practice facility.
Just a few.
The facts are it is not Rutgers that does not want to be associated with NJ. It is NJ (not all) that does not want to be associated with Rutgers.
I hear you, but I'm going to remain bullish on NJ despite your evidence. Give me 50% of our best, coupled with the out of state recruiting we already do, that puts in a strong top 25 every year, with a lighting in the bottle year every decade…I'm good with that!
Yea I'd take the 13th rated class. We'd obviously never have 100% NJ kids. But take your pick of 15 NJ kids, a couple lineman from the Midwest and a couple burners from Florida and we could compete for a championship every year.
My old man used to tell me as kid (when we'd see NJ guys walking around HS basketball gyms during Xmas break wearing their WVU, BC, PSU and ND FBall jackets) - If all those guys you see there, who are starting at those school stayed home, Rutgers would smoke all those schools.
I still believe what my old man told me.
I still believe what my old man told me.
God I love that, were supposedly self loathing and delusional, but my NJ best will whip your ass, I to will ALWAYS believe that.
Facts are stubborn things. Too many Jersey kids and their families view Rutgers as 13th grade. Those with options go elsewhere rather than subject themselves to the ridicule of their friends and neighbors. Do not abandon in State efforts but recruiting more heavily out of State is a must.
i'm reading a lot here that the New Jersey kids don't have much pride in the state. I think there is something to that - in comparison to states which have huge state universities and high profile football teams. I'm not being obnoxious but do kids from Delaware, New Hampshire and Vermont have state pride?
People in New Jersey actually hate the state university - that can't be that common in other states but i wouldn't know. But if Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh were the RU head coach, New Jersey 4 star kids would be tripping over themselves to play here - even the kids who claim, seemingly genuinely, that they want an out-of-state experience.
Flood needs a ten win season under his belt in order to be taken seriously on the living room couch that's been left warm by Dantonio, Franklin and the coaches with higher profiles. Short of that, it's just not realistic to expect him to get it done at RU with the 4 star kids. RU isn't a football school that sells itself to recruits. If Flood can't get it done - someone else will.
People in New Jersey actually hate the state university - that can't be that common in other states but i wouldn't know. But if Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh were the RU head coach, New Jersey 4 star kids would be tripping over themselves to play here - even the kids who claim, seemingly genuinely, that they want an out-of-state experience.
Flood needs a ten win season under his belt in order to be taken seriously on the living room couch that's been left warm by Dantonio, Franklin and the coaches with higher profiles. Short of that, it's just not realistic to expect him to get it done at RU with the 4 star kids. RU isn't a football school that sells itself to recruits. If Flood can't get it done - someone else will.
Would make sense.... since complaining about winning and complaining about being terrible at recruiting are two completely different subjects.
How many of these threads do we need on a daily or weekly basis. Same think over and over and over and over.
The same 5-10 critics hijack every one of these threads into an anti RU, anti Flood thread. Yet not one of you saying anything when someone like Krimm or Ford or Pollack pick RU over many other schools.
It's ALWAYS F%$#%$J negative with you people.
The same 5-10 critics hijack every one of these threads into an anti RU, anti Flood thread. Yet not one of you saying anything when someone like Krimm or Ford or Pollack pick RU over many other schools.
It's ALWAYS F%$#%$J negative with you people.
I feel your frustration about in state recruiting. Our new staff has done well, but over the last decade, Penn State has watched top talent go out of state too. Ohio State and Michigan for years seemed to be able to pull top tier kids with Penn State offers in ways that Penn State couldn't do to them. Prior and Henne are two good examples of difference makers. I read somewhere that Penn State hasn't pulled a kid from Ohio with an OSU offer since 2008 and that was a legacy recruit. It is really hard to lock down a state, particularly when they can go play in a better climate.
I won't go that extreme, but what I will say is what many others echoed here. People in NJ don't view RU as a school to go to, they want to get out of Jersey. its that simple. and guess what? the florida kids wanna leave FL. you know, the state that produces over 300 D1 athletes EVERY YEAR. again, read Friedman, Brown, Farrell, any of these recruiting guru's you guys follow as gospel, and they all said the same thing - if pollock was in Jersey, he would be the number 1 LB no question. if sneed was a jersey RB, we would be 1a behind walker. Ford would have been a top 2-3 DL in Jersey last year. give me the florida kids who WANT to be here vs the Jersey kids who can't stand staying in New Jersey, like their parents before them who viewed RU as a safety school. we know the potential of RU, they don't see it. so Kyle is doing what all of us would do - keep recruiting FL, PA, NY, keep the 7-8, hopefully 9 win, seasons coming until 1) the money starts coming in for upgrades to facilities, and 2) then the kids realize they want to stay. its year 2.
Similar threads
