Gary Waters' refusal to hire any northeast assistant coaches when he started turned out to be a blueprint for disaster. Ash cannot make the same mistake. Relationships take time to develop. In my mind, it starts with retaining Barthel
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And waters was still the best X's and O's guy and most successful guy by far bere
Good recruiters are good recruiter, whether they're from the northeast, southwest, Midwest or southeast. He should simply pick the best people for the job and not be inhibited by any constraints.
And exactly when and how have NJ and Northeast ties benefited Rutgers? We are competing in a national conference with a national footprint. If the NJ HS football community wants to get on board with Rutgers, great, we want you and need you. If they don't we'll go elsewhere. After we build a track record of success in the BIG and have a few Rose Bowls under our belt, they will be beating down our doors.
And name exactly which Rutgers basketball coach with NJ/Northeast ties and northeast "stain" has been more successful then Gary Waters at Rutgers over the last twenty years?
Fred Hill Jr?
Mike Rice?
Kevin Bannon?
Ash needs to clean house, maybe keep Norries since he's had success with the RBs and has solid administrative experience running a program, but I'm looking for a real house cleaning. Get rid of the stink of failure and small mindedness.
Again we cannot compete in the B1G based on local kids. Schiano knew this when he took advantage of Fla.
People love to attack Waters but he's been doing significantly better then we have since he left.
Recruiting locally is way overrated. That ship has already sailed. Too many big-time programs already have huge footholds in NJ. Get the best available players. We'd all be proud if our program had the success of Iowa, Northwestern, and Nebraska -- all programs that do not rely on local talent. If Rutgers has consistent success, signature styles on offense and defense, and competes with the big boys, the recruit locally paradigm will take care of itself.
On the other hand, no one had better connections in NJ than FHJ. Everyone also loved Flood. It's about building and maintaining relationships. If you can sell yourself, your program, and your school, as well as treat people the right way, it doesn't matter if people have known you 30 years or 30 days.
LOL - agreed. Will take the Waters 'disaster' again any day of the week compared to this.
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Rutgers will never compete in the upper half of the B1G East unless they can recruit the top local talent in NJ.
Nothing. It's a back office job. No coaches or coordinators for a 4-8 team need to be retained.
Using Waters is a funny way to make the point. Since we gave him up for the well connected NJ guys, the program has been a total disaster. If anything, history has proven that we were far better off with Waters and his lack of NJ ties, then we were with his replacements.
Given the current state of the men's bball program and the terrible loss to SHU, this is the wrong time to make a Waters reference.
Agreed, talent is talent. Whether they are far from Alasks or NJ I don't care.
Would love to go back to the waters days... At least we sniffed the tourney a few times
At the position coach level and the recruiting level it would be nice to have some local flavor but outside of that I don't think it's absolutely necessary. The world is a much smaller place in this age of social media.
I know it's not the point of the OP, but I also would take the 'dark days' of 2001-05 over this. He didn't need a star studded line-up to be competitive.
With that said, the advantage to bring some local guy into the staff is that you have tons of talent within 50 miles. It probably helps you more in the short term until you develop a reputation for excellence. If it reduces the number of times I have to hear the word 'process', I'm all in.
With that said, the advantage to bring some local guy into the staff is that you have tons of talent within 50 miles. It probably helps you more in the short term until you develop a reputation for excellence. If it reduces the number of times I have to hear the word 'process', I'm all in.
While true, we don't know how dark it could have gotten if Waters had stayed. Douby was leaving and his recruiting wasn't good. The Waters-Hill tandem might have worked if given the chance -- since Waters could coach.
However, it's all speculation and Waters got to leave like so few before him -- with a winning record.
Recruiting locally might be "overrated," but it's still necessary. But the idea you need "New Jersey ties" is bull. The Rutgers football coach has to build those ties.
I'm sure a lot of guys with "New Jersey ties" are intensely disliked by the guys he has "ties" with. I don't care if the assistants are all from Idaho as long as they spend their first few months on the job getting to know the high school coaches here.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Greg Schiano's "New Jersey ties" included growing up in a town so far north you don't need to ever use the Turnpike and one year as a grad assistant. Those are ties? And yet, that worked out OK.
The reference OP should have made would be to one Terry Shea, not Gary Waters.
I'm sure a lot of guys with "New Jersey ties" are intensely disliked by the guys he has "ties" with. I don't care if the assistants are all from Idaho as long as they spend their first few months on the job getting to know the high school coaches here.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Greg Schiano's "New Jersey ties" included growing up in a town so far north you don't need to ever use the Turnpike and one year as a grad assistant. Those are ties? And yet, that worked out OK.
The reference OP should have made would be to one Terry Shea, not Gary Waters.
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