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Cincinnati vs Miami

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14-3 Cincy in the 1st

GS, you're on deck

(1. The U needs the Orange Bowl back bad. 2. The U needs the BE back bad. I don't see in this current internet environment, the U ever getting back,IMO)
 
Looked like Cincy was going to blow Miami's doors off after taking a 14-3 lead 5 minutes in. Miami's now come back to take a 17-14 lead half way thru the 2nd Qtr.
 
Cinci - backup QB (yet again) - would take us behind the woodshed right now.
 
Cinci - backup QB (yet again) - would take us behind the woodshed right now.
So ??????????? , there are probably other back-up QBs that might do it as well.
Kid looks like he could take many schools to the woodshed and Cincy always seems to have back-ups like that.

But back to the game :
Guess after this loss can expect to see those fire Golden banners flying over Sun Life Stadium during the Hurricanes' next home game.
 
Cinch pulled off getting Tuberbville and we got a career Oline coach.

Rutgers no doubt is cursed
 
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Cinch pulled off getting Tuberbville and we got a career Oline coach.

Rutgers no doubt is cursed

It was widely reported his wife had a connection to Cincinnati and wanted to live there. No big name coach is clamoring to come to expensive NJ for a football hostile administration and faculty for under $3 million/year. Could not get Mullen (?) here because we could not meet his requirements for assistants.

Or badly led. Cincinnati is proof that you don't need a ton of money to get good coaches, just smart leadership.

9-4 losses to 4-8 Illinois, 2-10 USF and a mediocre UNC
9-4 losses to Memphis and mediocre Miami and Virginia Tech
3-2 losses to Temple and Memphis
Hardly the stuff of legends.

Wut? $2.2 million/ year for those results? Umm, no thanks. But keep wetting your pants over beating a mediocre Miami team.
 
While I agree that cincy has a run of making good coaching selections from dantonio, Kelley, jones and now tuberville, TT did not come cheap and seemed to be based on a relationship with the ad at the time. He has kept the ball rolling but I think at this point it is more a testament to the program and the support from the school and it boosters. They have overcome the loss of coaches and being left behind in conference realignment but seem to always put out a competitive product.
 
I wouldn't say they pulled off getting Tuberville there were strong rumors he was going to be fired, so he just left before that happened and his wife was from the area. He's the example I've given before of why I say except for a select few no one is "proven" and hiring a BCS coach isn't some magic formula. It is something to take into account but it guarantees nothing. Tuberville had a very nice record at Auburn but he had 3 straight losing conference records at Texas Tech and this was after Leach hadn't had one since his first year there. Cincy paid Tuberville about 2M or so and I'm pretty sure that was about the same salary he was getting at Texas Tech.

Every situation is different and just because a coach was successful at one spot doesn't necessarily mean he'll be successful at his next. Take a look at Bielema from Wisconsin to Arkansas. I still think he's a good coach even if he were to fail there and it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be bad at another coaching destination.

Tuberville has done a solid job at Cincy no doubt but I don't think it's as great as people seem to be giving credit. I don't think he's made it up to the top 25 rankings once since he's been there.
 
I wouldn't say they pulled off getting Tuberville there were strong rumors he was going to be fired, so he just left before that happened and his wife was from the area. He's the example I've given before of why I say except for a select few no one is "proven" and hiring a BCS coach isn't some magic formula. It is something to take into account but it guarantees nothing. Tuberville had a very nice record at Auburn but he had 3 straight losing conference records at Texas Tech and this was after Leach hadn't had one since his first year there. Cincy paid Tuberville about 2M or so and I'm pretty sure that was about the same salary he was getting at Texas Tech.

Every situation is different and just because a coach was successful at one spot doesn't necessarily mean he'll be successful at his next. Take a look at Bielema from Wisconsin to Arkansas. I still think he's a good coach even if he were to fail there and it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be bad at another coaching destination.

Tuberville has done a solid job at Cincy no doubt but I don't think it's as great as people seem to be giving credit. I don't think he's made it up to the top 25 rankings once since he's been there.

Solid? Look at the record. Who has he beaten? Oh, I forgot, we can only use that against OUR coaches while we piss on them and be all blue sky while we are salivating over someone else's coach.
 
It was widely reported his wife had a connection to Cincinnati and wanted to live there. No big name coach is clamoring to come to expensive NJ for a football hostile administration and faculty for under $3 million/year. Could not get Mullen (?) here because we could not meet his requirements for assistants.



9-4 losses to 4-8 Illinois, 2-10 USF and a mediocre UNC
9-4 losses to Memphis and mediocre Miami and Virginia Tech
3-2 losses to Temple and Memphis
Hardly the stuff of legends.

Wut? $2.2 million/ year for those results? Umm, no thanks. But keep wetting your pants over beating a mediocre Miami team.
I don't think 2.2M for those results is so bad. One shared conference title which I think went to Memphis and a couple 9-4 records. That's a solid job IMO. However, I don't think it is some stellar record like some here think it is. He hasn't gotten them ranked in the top 25 once yet. I still think he's a solid coach though and don't have a problem with his salary.

You know who I've mentioned as overpaid right from the start. The previous Cincy coach Butch Jones at Tenn. I said that 3M+ salary he got from them was too much and I didn't think he was worth it. People say he was recruiting gangbusters and he was but I didn't know how well he could coach. He was always following Kelly and I was never sure how much was coming from him and how much was from what Kelly left behind. He never stayed at CMU/Cincy long enough to be sure. So I thought Tenn was prematurely paying him. Some of his decisions the last couple weeks and losing 13pt leads in the 4th qtr make you wonder.

I was joking in the other game thread that he and Golden must have gone to the same school of coaching. He didn't go for 2 in the 4th qtr against Florida to go up 14 and they lost by 1. Golden went for it on 4th down being down 11 rather than just kicking the chip shot FG and trying to get the ball back and maybe get the tying TD/2pt conversion. The order you get them in doesn't matter.
 
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Solid? Look at the record. Who has he beaten? Oh, I forgot, we can only use that against OUR coaches while we piss on them and be all blue sky while we are salivating over someone else's coach.
Yes solid. I replied to your other post. 2 9-4 records and one shared conference title at 7-1 is certainly solid. Who they played and who they beat is something to look at but it's also Cincy. They're Cincy and handicapped in terms of resources and being in the shadow of OSU. That is solid performance. It's not as good as some here think, I think he gets talked up a bit too much but it's solid performance. It's nothing great though because he hasn't gotten them ranked in the top 25 yet in his time there.
 
Yes solid. I replied to your other post. 2 9-4 records and one shared conference title at 7-1 is certainly. Who they played and who they beat is something to look at but it's also Cincy. They're Cincy and handicapped in terms of resources and being in the shadow of OSU. That is solid performance. It's not as good as some here think, I think he gets talked up a bit too much but it's solid performance. It's nothing great though because he hasn't gotten them ranked in the top 25 yet in his time there.
Fair enough, but I say meh to Tuberville.
If a change is going to be made, I would rather we go after an up and coming coach like Rod Carey or someone else from the MAC than overpaying for a guy like Tuberville.
 
Fair enough, but I say meh to Tuberville.
If a change is going to be made, I would rather we go after an up and coming coach like Rod Carey or someone else from the MAC than overpaying for a guy like Tuberville.
I don't want Tuberville either. Whether we make a change or not, I always like to talk coaching candidates. That's just my fun playing "pretend AD" I barely pay any attention to recruiting.

To me Justin Fuente is the name I like if he can repeat similar results to last year. He's 4-0 so far. The offense has been good and his offenses at TCU were very good too. He's done it now with 2 qbs in Lynch/Dalton both not highly recruited. His defense this year has slipped though since he lost his DC to Mizzou. It's ranked in the 100s I think after last weeks Cincy game. To me if you have that high powered offense you don't need great defense but you need at least mediocre say something in the 50-65 range. Being that far back eventually catches up to you IMO.

As to Tuberville, his conference records were 6-2/7-1 and if you seen my posts conference record is something I put emphasis on because that's the majority of your schedule and to move up anywhere in the world you have to do well with it and can't run away from it. So those conference records and couple 9-4 records overall is solid for a place like Cincy. 2.2M is a nice salary but it isn't whopping by today's standards. It used to be, but not anymore. It's in the range of a salary,1.5-2.5M, for a coach on his first HC contract. This year he may take a step back but still early in the season.
 
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I don't want Tuberville either. Whether we make a change or not, I always like to talk coaching candidates. That's just my fun playing "pretend AD" I barely pay any attention to recruiting.

To me Justin Fuente is the name I like if he can repeat similar results to last year. He's 4-0 so far. The offense has been good and his offenses at TCU were very good too. He's done it now with 2 qbs in Lynch/Dalton both not highly recruited. His defense this year has slipped though since he lost his DC to Mizzou. It's ranked in the 100s I think after last weeks Cincy game. To me if you have that high powered offense you don't need great defense but you need at least mediocre say something in the 50-65 range. Being that far back eventually catches up to you IMO.

As to Tuberville, his conference records were 6-2/7-1 and if you seen my posts conference record is something I put emphasis on because that's the majority of your schedule and to move up anywhere in the world you have to do well with it and can't run away from it. So those conference records and couple 9-4 records overall is solid for a place like Cincy. 2.2M is a nice salary but it isn't whopping by today's standards, it used to be, but not anymore. It's in the range of a salary,1.5-2.5M, for a coach on his first HC contract would get. Ths year he may take a step back but still early in the season.

We agree on a lot. But if Prof. Hughes and the remnants of the RU 1000 gang are intimidated by Flood's salary, there will be rioting in the halls of Winants if the coach's salary goes north of $2 million, and professors will demand bodyguards and a lawyer if they have to talk to the football coach.
Amazing that RU is in the B1G, but we have an administration and faculty that things small.
 
We agree on a lot. But if Prof. Hughes and the remnants of the RU 1000 gang are intimidated by Flood's salary, there will be rioting in the halls of Winants if the coach's salary goes north of $2 million, and professors will demand bodyguards and a lawyer if they have to talk to the football coach.
Amazing that RU is in the B1G, but we have an administration and faculty that things small.
I don't have a problem with Flood's salary and I don't think it's a harbinger of what we'd pay a new coach. I've said before he's getting what a coach of his credentials should get. I don't see it as Flood gets nothing the next guy will get nothing. I see it as Flood is getting what he deserves and the next guy will get what his credentials warrant. We were going to pay Cristoabal 1.3M and I'm sure Addazio would have been the same. Mind you we've also bumped up Flood's salary too.

I expect the range to be what I mentioned 1.5-2.5M if a change is made. Not all up and coming coaches deserve the high end of that range, so it depends on the person. So a person like Fuente would probably need to be in that high end of the range because he already makes 1.4M and also would have a nice record at Memphis to justify it. But say some coordinator out there like Frost wouldn't need to be that high because he's only been a coordinator for 3 years total, 2 with Mariota, and makes only about 400K. So again it depends.

As far as that range of salary, I'm not worried about that with regards to faculty/subsidy or whatever other perceived threat. I expect it to be around that 1.5-2.5M range. We were willing to pay Cristobal 1.3m in the AAC, you don't think we'll pay at least that much in the B10. All depends on the credentials of the candidate IMO.
 
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Solid? Look at the record. Who has he beaten? Oh, I forgot, we can only use that against OUR coaches while we piss on them and be all blue sky while we are salivating over someone else's coach.
What do you want an undefeated record? We have some stupid fans. Two years, 2013 and 2014, they went 9-4 but they didn't play anyone. RUTGERS LOST TO CINN IN 2013 52-17. Rutgers who has no defense thanks to Flood and doesn't know how to score thanks to Floods gets blown out again. The next coach will be paid $2 million no matter who he is.

Rutgers fans criticized Schiano when he went 9-4 2 out of his last 3 years also. I pretty sure we will not see 9 wins at Rutgers for at least 15 years.
 
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What do you want an undefeated record? We have some stupid fans. Two years, 2013 and 2014, they went 9-4 but they didn't play anyone. RUTGERS LOST TO CINN IN 2013 52-17. Rutgers who has no defense thanks to Flood and doesn't know how to score thanks to Floods gets blown out again. The next coach will be paid $2 million no matter who he is.

Rutgers fans criticized Schiano when he went 9-4 2 out of his last 3 years also. I pretty sure we will not see 9 wins at Rutgers for at least 15 years.

No need to resort to calling people stupid, OK dave? Your last statement is just plain silly. It's comparing apples and raisins. I think the competition is a bit stiffer now. And no, my post was not in defense of Flood, it was simply that for what he is making, Tuberville has not been all that great. Look behind the 9-4 numbers, and the emperor has not clothes.
 
2.2Million and you get old Tommy Tuberville Sorry but not the best investment but some many love big name coaches lets go with Charlie Wies he can recruit NJ better then TT
 
So ??????????? , there are probably other back-up QBs that might do it as well.
Kid looks like he could take many schools to the woodshed and Cincy always seems to have back-ups like that.

But back to the game :
Guess after this loss can expect to see those fire Golden banners flying over Sun Life Stadium during the Hurricanes' next home game.

You obviously missed my point. Cinci is the land of WANTING to be the backup QB. You play, you start, you make a name for yourself, almost without question!
 
Sad thing is that Cincy has no conference, no recruiting ground to itself, no real history outside of the Kelly era, and no academic prestige really...and they just had a better win than any win of the Flood era probably.

The difference is they've been smart enough over the years to realize their "issues," run O's that take advantage of their skill sets instead of attempting to recruit for an O that you need bigger, better kids, across the board, to run consistently and successfully, and have excelled as such.
 
Cincinnati gets after it recruiting. Their roster has players from 18 states ... AL, AR, CA, DE, FL, GA, IL, IN, KS, KY, MD, MI, MS, NY, OH, TN, TX, VA. Rutgers doesn't have a prayer of landing "Southern" players from Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Texas. And their roster is chock-full of players from Cincinnati and Cleveland, two football rich areas.
 
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