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Cleveland.com - "Rutgers Will Never Beat Ohio St. - Ever"

Michigan said the same thing when we joined the conference. We were 0-13 vs Miami in the Big East before they left for the ACC. In 2006 we would have likely beaten them. So it may take us 15-20 years but to say RU will never beat OSU is a bit much. They are not going to win at this clip forever.
 
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"Ohio State is 72-9-4 against Indiana -- and on a 21-game winning streak.
Ohio State is 60-14-1 against Northwestern -- and 29-1 in the last 30 games.
Ohio State is 45-7 against Minnesota -- and 26-1 in the last 27 games.
Those recent results are what make the case for never."

Michigan is 55-9 against Indiana -- and on a 20 game winning streak and has won 35 of the last 36..
Michigan is 57-15-2 against Northwestern -- and 33-3 the last 36 games.
Michigan is 74-25-4 against Minnesota -- and 40-4 the last 44 games.

And we lost to Rutgers. Sure we might be 48-5 against RU 50 years from now.. But we've lost before and will lose again in our lifetime. That's sports.

Urban will not be coaching forever. Look at their 2011 season (where they lost to Purdue). Or 99-2001. Or 87-95 They are not "indestructible".
 
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It may not happen for years and years. And it may well be to a superior Ohio State team that has a "WTF" game (read that USF home game w 5 fumbles). However sooner or later is WILL happen-perhaps not in some of R lifetimes. Even schools like Ohio State have down years, scandals or maybe even Schiano as head coach.

During the 4th quarter latest of the 2014 home Michigan game (latest) I was thinking and perhaps said to Piscataway Mike "I didn't think I'd see us beating Michigan in my lifetime." That Knight been there done that.

Also at one point Nebraska was #1 and in September 1988 Rutgers was 21 point road dogs to Rose Bowl Champs Michigan State (no matter what the excuse such as no Mandarich-Rutgers won). BTW maybe that one was devine intervention because within the same hour-maybe even same minute of R game winning fumble recovery I met friends of and was discussing that player (and now longest RUuning staffer I think and ex classmate) by sheer chance with a couple I met in the UNC Art Museum killing time before a game with the "Sooners". Their son had played football with R player in Michigan in high school.

Prediction-it will happen within the 2nd term of popular President HillaRy Clinton.
 
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Sigh... here is the thing we have been at a bad spot the last few years, The Big Ten folks have not seen us at our best yet. So get your easy wins in now while you still can, because that will not last forever. I will say in 3 years Rutgers will not be considered an easy win by anyone anymore and a few years after that, anything can happen.
 
AshSaturday said:
It may not happen for years and years. And it may well be to a superior Ohio State team that has a "WTF" game (read that USF home game w 5 fumbles). However sooner or later is WILL happen-perhaps not in some of R lifetimes. Even schools like Ohio State have down years, scandals or maybe even Schiano as head coach.

During the 4th quarter latest of the 2014 home Michigan game (latest) I was thinking and perhaps said to Piscataway Mike "I didn't think I'd see us beating Michigan in my lifetime." That Knight been there done that.

Also at one point Nebraska was #1 and in September 1988 Rutgers was 21 point road dogs to Rose Bowl Champs Michigan State (no matter what the excuse such as no Mandarich-Rutgers won). BTW maybe that one was devine intervention because within the same hour-maybe even same minute of R game winning fumble recovery I met friends of and was discussing that player (and now longest RUuning staffer I think and ex classmate) by sheer chance with a couple I met in the UNC Art Museum killing time before a game with the "Sooners". Their son had played football with R player in Michigan in high school.

Prediction-it will happen within the 2nd term of popular President HillaRy Clinton.
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You had me, until you said a 2 term Hillary,lol, no way.
 
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Love the knocks at Ru. Purdue lost to maryland by what 43 points? And they have been in conference forever.
 
Define "ever". You see, that's the problem here. Everything changes over time and OSU's dominance will also. Right now, RU is becoming as bad as any in recent history. That too will change.
We have had some incredible upsets in our history. That too will happen again.
Clearly, we are not in good shape right now and getting out of this will take some real time.
 
Good bulletin board material for every game from here on out. Will be the next "What's a Rutgers?"
 
We have too many advantages. As long as the administration stays on board with doing what it needs to do to build the athletic program, we are not going to settle in at the median Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern level. We are going to settle in at the 4-8 level.
 
Programs are turned around by great coaches and blue chip athletes. The following may be controversial but any University with a sports 1st mindset will compete in the playoffs and maybe a National Championship. We here at Rutgers would accept a 9-3 season to be a fine accomplishment and anything else not necessary. Why? Because to achieve a record better than 9-3 especially in the B10 would require millions to be spent on recruiting a HC who could work independently from any AD supervision or university president for that matter. Take the time and look around and you'll see that winning programs have environments similar to what I just described. Unless OSU allowed Urban to do his thing on and off the field they were not winning another NC game and the same applies at Michigan with Harbaugh.
 
RU31trap said:
Programs are turned around by great coaches and blue chip athletes. The following may be controversial but any University with a sports 1st mindset will compete in the playoffs and maybe a National Championship. We here at Rutgers would accept a 9-3 season to be a fine accomplishment and anything else not necessary. Why? Because to achieve a record better than 9-3 especially in the B10 would require millions to be spent on recruiting a HC who could work independently from any AD supervision or university president for that matter. Take the time and look around and you'll see that winning programs have environments similar to what I just described. Unless OSU allowed Urban to do his thing on and off the field they were not winning another NC game and the same applies at Michigan with Harbaugh.
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Are you suggesting that OSU and UM may do things like edit term papers or threaten teachers for better grades?

BTW, that article was a fluff piece to get the locals all excited about the only game in town. OSU is an awesome football program but I've never seen another state where there is literally no other team in the state that is even close to relevant. The closest thing is right across the border in AA.
 
kjb32812 said:
Are you suggesting that OSU and UM may do things like edit term papers or threaten teachers for better grades?

BTW, that article was a fluff piece to get the locals all excited about the only game in town. OSU is an awesome football program but I've never seen another state where there is literally no other team in the state that is even close to relevant. The closest thing is right across the border in AA.
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Are you telling me the Bengals are a second class NFL franchise? LOL. (Of course they are).
 
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Are you telling me the Bengals are a second class NFL franchise? LOL. (Of course they are).
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I was talking more about just the college game but didn't word it well. It's OSU and then half the MAC. Even programs like Temple (not flaming) and Villanova have some alumni support and pride. Go to a Kent State game and you feel like you're at a high school game. Regardless of where they went to school...even if Miami, Kent, Akron or Ohio, they all root for OSU.

And yes, the professional dynamic is much like PA except minus the incredible Steeler bias. Go to Columbus and poll 1,000 people and you probably get pretty close to 50/50 on Bengals or Browns.
 
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Rutgers ceiling isn't Indiana, Minnesota or Northwestern.

Bad comparison.
 
There is no reason whatsoever that we can't get as good or better than Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, MSU and Penn State. It will take years but we can get there.

OSU and Michigan are both on a different level that we can't sustain but that doesn't mean we can never beat them every once and awhile.
 
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Look Navy had lost 43 games to Notre Dame and has won 4 of the last 5.
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There was a time when the the best catholic football school was Holy Cross or Fordham. Notre Dame was an upstart program.
Before that Yale was a perennial power.
Forever is a long time.
 
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Nothing is absolute in sports. We will be playing them every year for the next century. Of course we will beat them.

It's just unlikely for a spell.
 
Who can say what the future holds but given the local talent base our program certainly has the potential to be competitive.
 
Shoeless Joe has a great example with Navy. OSU fans/Ohio media forget how beatable they were in the "Luke Fickel" season. Sanctions could hamper OSU at anytime. Lots of great programs hit periods of under performance and become beatable for a variety of reasons. RU could certainly beat OSU, but its position in the BIG East Division is difficult. Way behind 4 programs. Behind, or, at best, able to consistently challenge Maryland. Probably better than IU. Doesn't add up to a lot of conference wins.
 
Right in the article he states the flaw is his dictate.
Malcolm Jenkins gave 1/4 a million $ tosu a home grown Piscataway talent that when they stay home will change RU's fortune and fate on the field.
michigan said the same thing about MSU for much of the latter part of the last century
 
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Right in the article he states the flaw is his dictate.
Malcolm Jenkins gave 1/4 a million $ tosu a home grown Piscataway talent that when they stay home will change RU's fortune and fate on the field.
michigan said the same thing about MSU for much of the latter part of the last century
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A little tough to understand your post. Rutgers fans consistently say "If we keep NJ talent home..." Not just football, but hoops and other sports. Fact is, RU doesn't keep talent at home. Football has improved some, but not enough. OSU and Michigan have always been top dogs in BIG. PSU has a much better history, facilities and a history against RU as an Eastern school. MSU is light years ahead of RU and won't be passed consistently. That's just the division!
 
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I'm pretty sure Navy lost 4 of the last 5 to Notre Dame. But I get your point.
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Correction, Notre Dame has won 5 straight. Last 5 years of Navy vs Notre Dame. All Notre Dame wins:

2011W 56 South Bend, IN 14
2012 W 50 Dublin, Ireland 10
2013 W 38 South Bend, IN 34
2014 W 49 Landover, MD 39
2015 W 41 South Bend, IN 24
 
After an historically long losing streak from 1963-2007,Navy beat ND and won 3 out of 4. ND has won 5 straight. Never say never premise is still valid.
 
wcicci said:
A little tough to understand your post. Rutgers fans consistently say "If we keep NJ talent home..." Not just football, but hoops and other sports. Fact is, RU doesn't keep talent at home. Football has improved some, but not enough. OSU and Michigan have always been top dogs in BIG. PSU has a much better history, facilities and a history against RU as an Eastern school. MSU is light years ahead of RU and won't be passed consistently. That's just the division!
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before Coach D took over MSU they sucked even ole RU beat them.
yes we are years away from MSU/OSU/Mich. But we well see how we do with the lower half of the league Then after some success we can start on the upper half
 
HailHailToMichigan said:
"Ohio State is 72-9-4 against Indiana -- and on a 21-game winning streak.
Ohio State is 60-14-1 against Northwestern -- and 29-1 in the last 30 games.
Ohio State is 45-7 against Minnesota -- and 26-1 in the last 27 games.
Those recent results are what make the case for never."

Michigan is 55-9 against Indiana -- and on a 20 game winning streak and has won 35 of the last 36..
Michigan is 57-15-2 against Northwestern -- and 33-3 the last 36 games.
Michigan is 74-25-4 against Minnesota -- and 40-4 the last 44 games.

And we lost to Rutgers. Sure we might be 48-5 against RU 50 years from now.. But we've lost before and will lose again in our lifetime. That's sports.

Urban will not be coaching forever. Look at their 2011 season (where they lost to Purdue). Or 99-2001. Or 87-95 They are not "indestructible".
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What michigan needs to do is worry about their own beatings at the hands of Ohio State. We don't need Urban to pound you guys unmercifully.
 
Doug Lesmeresis posts things to get views. In this case, saying that Rutgers will never beat OSU is just to get eyes to his article. Most OSU fans think Rutgers can be much better than they are, and are happy to have them in conference (and are very glad they are trying to become a better program, unlike Purdue). Saying OSU will "never" get beaten by an opponent is stupid, unless it's determined that we never play that opponent again. No one thought these would happen:

2007: App St. over Michigan
2008: Toledo over Michigan

those are bigger upsets than RU over OSU. Illinois beat OSU in 2007 with Juice williams.
 
imbazza2 said:
before Coach D took over MSU they sucked even ole RU beat them.
yes we are years away from MSU/OSU/Mich. But we well see how we do with the lower half of the league Then after some success we can start on the upper half
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I think you'll want to revisit your research on MSU. D'Antonio has done a great job, but MSU has great history. Game of the century v ND ring a bell? They're in a different category than Rutgers and they're 4th in in the division pecking order. Point is, RU is in a battle for 5th in the division, slightly behind Maryland and slightly ahead of Indiana. That's a tough spot. What's the appeal for the top NJ recruit? Outside of the guys who go SEC etc, top recruits have consistently gone to OSU, PSU, Michigan. What's stopping that?
 
kjb32812 said:
I was talking more about just the college game but didn't word it well. It's OSU and then half the MAC. Even programs like Temple (not flaming) and Villanova have some alumni support and pride. Go to a Kent State game and you feel like you're at a high school game. Regardless of where they went to school...even if Miami, Kent, Akron or Ohio, they all root for OSU.

And yes, the professional dynamic is much like PA except minus the incredible Steeler bias. Go to Columbus and poll 1,000 people and you probably get pretty close to 50/50 on Bengals or Browns.
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The are more college football teams in Ohio than in any other state.
 
wcicci said:
I think you'll want to revisit your research on MSU. D'Antonio has done a great job, but MSU has great history. Game of the century v ND ring a bell? They're in a different category than Rutgers and they're 4th in in the division pecking order. Point is, RU is in a battle for 5th in the division, slightly behind Maryland and slightly ahead of Indiana. That's a tough spot. What's the appeal for the top NJ recruit? Outside of the guys who go SEC etc, top recruits have consistently gone to OSU, PSU, Michigan. What's stopping that?
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The appeal is not being behind a list of better players from around the country. The appeal is staying in your home state, playing in front of longtime friends and family members. The appeal is being the hero, not a cog in a smooth-running machine. The appeal is the chance to be a legend and not just a great player down the list of dozens of great players. The appeal is getting your own damn statue for bringing home the first NC/big bowl win ever. The appeal is being a true leader, not just a sheep in the flock.

Or at least it should be.
 
We are never going to beat OSU since they are a professional team masquerading as a college team. Granted we are not good, but to consistently get blown out means we are not in the same league.

When I look at BIG, I think we have a chance against all the teams except OSU. They are ruining the BIG since their only competition is Alabama.
 
FanuSanu52 said:
The appeal is not being behind a list of better players from around the country. The appeal is staying in your home state, playing in front of longtime friends and family members. The appeal is being the hero, not a cog in a smooth-running machine. The appeal is the chance to be a legend and not just a great player down the list of dozens of great players. The appeal is getting your own damn statue for bringing home the first NC/big bowl win ever. The appeal is being a true leader, not just a sheep in the flock.

Or at least it should be.
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Also, being able to start here right away to impress NFL scouts or ride the bench at an elite school hoping you can play a few games.

The NFL couldn't care less what school you play form they will draft you if you go to Alabama or Princeton.
 
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