Cleveland.com - "Rutgers Will Never Beat Ohio St. - Ever"

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Indiana vs OSU

Certainly OSU had had a huge advantage over Indiana for decades and decades.

OSU is currently on a 20 game streak.

The longest streak was 23 games.

I think it is safe to assume we can match Indiana in this regard if not better them.

So, I would assume 25 games would be the high end prediction for how long it will take to beat OSU. I would like that number to be 10 and for that to be realistic we have to become about twice as good as we are now.


But Urban Meyer has too many advantages.. like Saban as Alabama. He can pick and choose his recruits nationally. He will always be in reload mode.

We need a perfect storm or a very senior team for us vs an inexperienced OSU squad, early in the season.. at home.. with Meyer retired somewhere.

I think that might happen in 5-10 years... and that gives us a 50-50 shot to win that game.

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

What michigan needs to do is worry about their own beatings at the hands of Ohio State. We don't need Urban to pound you guys unmercifully.

Ask John Cooper

 

[kjb32812]

The are more college football teams in Ohio than in any other state.

And yet they all root for OSU.

Was really a revelation when I moved here. When I was a kid (grew up in PA) PITT and Penn State were both good and WVU also had some fans as well as your typical (at the time) ND and FSU followers who had jumped on the wagon. Not here. All OSU all the time.

 

[kjb32812]

Ask John Cooper

I'm a fan of UM as it was one of my final two for grad school. I also am not a fan of OSU. That being said, Urbs is going to beat the living hell out of Harbaugh.

 

[kjb32812]

Right now I want to beat the Iowa teams and Penn State.

 

[HailHailToMichigan]

I'm a fan of UM as it was one of my final two for grad school. I also am not a fan of OSU. That being said, Urbs is going to beat the living hell out of Harbaugh.

Meyer couldn't even "beat the living hell" out of Hoke in his 3 tries. We most likely lose going on the road but don't be silly. Even 2014 in the shoe with our 5 wins vs #2 OSU was a tie game going into the 4th quarter.

Last year we were missing interior defensive linemen and we couldn't stop spread offenses or any decent RB up the middle late in the year (see Indiana game). To expect the same this year is just ignorant.

 

[shields]

Sorry I put an s there, do you teach english? Teams like Iowa and Northwestern. Better?

 

[BoogieKnight]

I think you'll want to revisit your research on MSU. D'Antonio has done a great job, but MSU has great history. Game of the century v ND ring a bell? They're in a different category than Rutgers and they're 4th in in the division pecking order. Point is, RU is in a battle for 5th in the division, slightly behind Maryland and slightly ahead of Indiana. That's a tough spot. What's the appeal for the top NJ recruit? Outside of the guys who go SEC etc, top recruits have consistently gone to OSU, PSU, Michigan. What's stopping that?

I have nothing but respect for Mark Dantonio and the Michigan State football program. That said, we are 3-5 vs them all time with I believe two of those wins coming in East Lansing (88 & 91). We played their Big Ten championship team tough at home last year and we were terrible. In 2003 we hung with them out there and in 2004 beat them in our season opener at home. And that was really before our program turned the corner. I know it's only 8 games but we have a history of playing them tough. More so than our recent history vs PSU (1 win in the modern era) and WVU (2 wins in modern era).

 

[kjb32812]

Sorry I put an s there, do you teach english? Teams like Iowa and Northwestern. Better?

I just wondered if you needed a map with all of the B1G teams pinned on it.

 

[kjb32812]

Meyer couldn't even "beat the living hell" out of Hoke in his 3 tries. We most likely lose going on the road but don't be silly. Even 2014 in the shoe with our 5 wins vs #2 OSU was a tie game going into the 4th quarter.

Last year we were missing interior defensive linemen and we couldn't stop spread offenses or any decent RB up the middle late in the year (see Indiana game). To expect the same this year is just ignorant.

Walmarters gonna Walmart. We'll know soon enough.

 

[bac2therac]

Upsets happen but its a pretty good chance that RU does not beat OSU in the next decade

 

[BoroKnight]

In the mid-1980s, I heard a Texas fan exclaim confidently that "TCU will NEVER beat Texas."

Yes, that was a long time ago, and TCU drifted from conference to conference to conference before getting back in the same one as UT. But look now.

Never, my friends, is a very long time.

 

[Andy117]

Never is a long time.

Who knows, Chris Ash might be the next Meyer or Saban and Rutgers will be good for awhile...

 

[PharmD Blue]

Walmarters gonna Walmart. We'll know soon enough.

Something like 49-10, as was done to psu? Now that was a true humiliation.

 

[PharmD Blue]

I'm a fan of UM as it was one of my final two for grad school. I also am not a fan of OSU. That being said, Urbs is going to beat the living hell out of Harbaugh.

I can understand your frustration when you are stuck with such a god-awful coach in James Franklin...arguably the worst in-game manager in the country. 49-10 must leave a lot of marks.

 

[LC-88]

Give us ten years with a full share of B1G money. Something we have never had, $$$$.

 

[kjb32812]

I can understand your frustration when you are stuck with such a god-awful coach in James Franklin...arguably the worst in-game manager in the country. 49-10 must leave a lot of marks.

Luckily I can still see Andrew Quarless running down the middle of the Big House field to help compensate.

Really looking forward to watching Urbs run train on that batshit crazy tool you have as a HC.

 

[PharmD Blue]

Luckily I can still see Andrew Quarless running down the middle of the Big House field to help compensate.

Really looking forward to watching Urbs run train on that batshit crazy tool you have as a HC.

Yeah, history is all you have now. 49-10. And one of the worst coaches in college football. I wonder how bad psu will be embarrassed again this year, this time by osu? Sucks to be psu

 

[kjb32812]

Yeah, history is all you have now. 49-10. And one of the worst coaches in college football. I wonder how bad psu will be embarrassed again this year, this time by osu? Sucks to be psu

LOL. You've managed to win one NC in the past 70 years with your "history." Congrats.

 

[PharmD Blue]

LOL. You've managed to win one NC in the past 70 years with your "history." Congrats.

49-10. Again, the psu program is ancient history now and will forever be at the level of Iowa, northwestern, etc.

You must have lots of wounds still. Especially with your ped-enabling dirtbag ex-coach. Lol some history there!

 

[kjb32812]

49-10. Again, the psu program is ancient history now and will forever be at the level of Iowa, northwestern, etc.

You must have lots of wounds still. Especially with your ped-enabling dirtbag ex-coach. Lol some history there!

A little worse than your rape enabling President Coleman, no doubt. You know, the hag who sent out the university wide email telling Michigan students not to be like Penn State while she covered up for two rapists on your football team.

 

[robcac26]

Upsets happen but its a pretty good chance that RU does not beat OSU in the next decade

Yeah well I once had pizza in Cleveland and I'm pretty sure it was made of cardboard, so at the end of the day who are the real winners?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

"Ohio State is 72-9-4 against Indiana -- and on a 21-game winning streak.
Ohio State is 60-14-1 against Northwestern -- and 29-1 in the last 30 games.
Ohio State is 45-7 against Minnesota -- and 26-1 in the last 27 games.
Those recent results are what make the case for never."

Michigan is 55-9 against Indiana -- and on a 20 game winning streak and has won 35 of the last 36..
Michigan is 57-15-2 against Northwestern -- and 33-3 the last 36 games.
Michigan is 74-25-4 against Minnesota -- and 40-4 the last 44 games.

And we lost to Rutgers. Sure we might be 48-5 against RU 50 years from now.. But we've lost before and will lose again in our lifetime. That's sports.

Urban will not be coaching forever. Look at their 2011 season (where they lost to Purdue). Or 99-2001. Or 87-95 They are not "indestructible".

I love this post. I've brought up in the past - when some of our posters are like "you can't be a rival until you beat the team a lot" - to show that that theory is bullshit. Yes, some rivalries are born out of great games and somewhat even W-L records in them, BUT, most of the longest-standing rivalries in college football are lopsided. Many of them thanks to OSU/Mich in the B1G, OU/Nebraska from the old Big 8, Texas/TAMU from the old SWC, and USC/UCLA from the Pac. Those schools literally owned, for decades and decades, many of their conference opponents. Not sure about the SEC other than series against Vandy and MSU (SC and Arky didn't become members until '91). Probably KU as well. Georgia, Bama, LSU, Florida, Ole Miss, Tenn, have all had several long periods of very good to great teams (even though Ole Miss was really bad for a while...). Anyway, my point, is that there are a lot of HUGE rivalries in those conferences that were built due to proximity and not competitiveness on the field.

IMHO we ARE rivals with Penn State and Maryland, automatically, for a slew of reasons of which, "competitiveness," has really never been one (2-24). The recruiting battles, the # of alumni in each state (especially PSU in NJ), the job market hiring practices, the # of students that go to the other state's school, etc., etc., etc., make it as such IMHO. The RU-Maryland (5-7) series is starting off very, very strong, IMHO, but also has a lot of similar connections to those of the RU-PSU series. Just not as much "hate" between the two.

Both need trophies, IMHO, should have started them 2 years ago!

 

[ScarletKnightRider]

A little tough to understand your post. Rutgers fans consistently say "If we keep NJ talent home..." Not just football, but hoops and other sports. Fact is, RU doesn't keep talent at home. Football has improved some, but not enough. OSU and Michigan have always been top dogs in BIG. PSU has a much better history, facilities and a history against RU as an Eastern school. MSU is light years ahead of RU and won't be passed consistently. That's just the division!

Whoa there. First off MSU is not "light years" ahead of us. 10 years ago, If i said that MSU would win the B1G in a decade, ppl would tell me I was insane. 10 years ago if I were to tell you that Rutgers would be a top 10 football team for that year and proceed to go to 10 straight bowl games, I would also be called insane. They got good recently just like how we got good in the mid 2000's for a while.

They were never a powerhouse blueblood in football. We have beaten them or played them close multiple times in recent matchups. Understand that we are currently in a massive multi-year rebuild. We are not normally this bad.

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

[QUOTE="PharmD Blue, post: 2388620, member: 33598"]I can understand your frustration when you are stuck with such a god-awful coach in James Franklin...arguably the worst in-game manager in the country. 49-10 must leave a lot of marks.[/QUOTE]

Now that is unfair. Perhaps you forgot that Franklin was sharp enough to call time out to avoid having to kick a 26 yard fg instead of a 21 yarder while down by 28 points. He is a coaching genius. :rolleyes:

 

[colbert17]

If you had PSU and 41 points it was genius.

 

[shields]

And lets be honest the penn state series was either at the Meadowlands or Beaver Stadium. I could just imagine if PSU played Bama and series was at Bama home field and Penn State had to play "home" at Heintz Field. Two years ago was first time we played at RU since 1955.

 

[AshSaturday]

Walmarters gonna Walmart. We'll know soon enough.

??? Just got back from Walmart. Shopped from 2:30AM-4:30AM. Great at night as few other customers .However as always always have to dodge staff...

 

[RU from Jersey]

All Rutgers needs is a stud QB to come to The Banks(and play like a stud) to get the ball rolling. Frankly, even with the overall lack of talent now, if that QB was in place the team would be 3-2 and there would be excitement building.

 

[cicero grimes]

"Forever is a mighty long time" - Prince

 

[PharmD Blue]

A little worse than your rape enabling President Coleman, no doubt. You know, the hag who sent out the university wide email telling Michigan students not to be like Penn State while she covered up for two rapists on your football team.

Ahh yes. A ped state fan who wants to talk about rape. Sorry, when your POS former coach KNEW about it as early as the 70s...that says a lot. What a joke of a culture at ped state, much like your current team and coach.

 

[kjb32812]

Ahh yes. A ped state fan who wants to talk about rape. Sorry, when your POS former coach KNEW about it as early as the 70s...that says a lot. What a joke of a culture at ped state, much like your current team and coach.

As early as the 70s? Sorry but those allegations were debunked.

Just stick to the easy stuff.

 

[PharmD Blue]

As early as the 70s? Sorry but those allegations were debunked.

Just stick to the easy stuff.

Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better at night. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

 

[wolverheel]

Why is there an argument between Penn State and Michigan fans about Ohio State on a Rutgers board?
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The are more college football teams in Ohio than in any other state.

And if any of them drew a fan base bigger than the current students then I'm sure your comment would be relevant.

 

[RU-05]

Keep this thread handy. Because at some point in the next 50 years we might be able to rub it in someones face.

 

[srru86]

Why is there an argument between Penn State and Michigan fans about Ohio State on a Rutgers board?

Because this board is just that awesome.

 

[RUsince52]

In the mid-1980s, I heard a Texas fan exclaim confidently that "TCU will NEVER beat Texas."

Yes, that was a long time ago, and TCU drifted from conference to conference to conference before getting back in the same one as UT. But look now.

Never, my friends, is a very long time.

Should have said again. Didn't TCU beat Texas 6-0 about 50 years ago. So excited to score they missed the extra point.
But their circumstances were similar to ours, Texas got the better players all the time. But the planet's were aligned just right and it happened.

 

[RUScrew85]

That's just written by a jackass. "Ever" is a very long time.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

"Rutgers Will Never Beat Ohio St. - Ever"
yeah yeah ... until they do ...

 

[RUsince52]

Upsets happen but its a pretty good chance that RU does not beat OSU in the next decade

We might get lucky and beat the upper tier B1G teams occasionally, but until we get the players to become competitive , it's a crap shoot. Of course, it great to beat someone now and than for morale, but we have to get to a point where we have a chance of winning whenever we step on the field. We'll get a sense we're getting close when the oddsmakers take note and we're single digit underdogs. Might not agree, but it's reality. It's going to take small steps and patience for us fans.
We will become competitive and consistent. Keep the faith.