I know a lot has been said here about what a great recruiter and fiery enthusiastic coach he is, and both may be true. But in all honesty, our defensive line play has been putrid during his tenure. We get ZERO pass rush on anyone, can't stuff the run, and no longer swarm to the ball like we used to. I don't think there's any question that there is an issue with the development and performance of our D line and anytime that happens with a particular position group, that position coach usually comes under fire. I feel like Panagos has been getting a pass because of his other entangables, but I'm not sure it's worth the trade off.
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Under Schiano we were never able to get pressure while rushing 4 (except for 2006 with the Meekins, Foster combo) which is why we blitzed so much. Under Panagos our front 4 have gotten better bringing pressure while rushing 4 against weak teams. We need better talent to do this against the average to above average teams. Guys like Rashan Gary are what's needed. You can't coach that kind of quickness/strength/technique package.
We don't blitz as much anymore. That's on the DC. To the DC's defense when we used to blitz so much under Schiano and Smith it was due to having a strong secondary most years, allowing the front 7 to play more exotic blitzes to confuse linemen and QBs. The secondary acted like a safety net for both the pass and run. Since Schiano left, our secondary has been putrid meaning that we can't blitz too much. Last time we really did it was under Robb Smith in 2012 right before most of our senior 2 deep at DB went into the NFL.
We don't blitz as much anymore. That's on the DC. To the DC's defense when we used to blitz so much under Schiano and Smith it was due to having a strong secondary most years, allowing the front 7 to play more exotic blitzes to confuse linemen and QBs. The secondary acted like a safety net for both the pass and run. Since Schiano left, our secondary has been putrid meaning that we can't blitz too much. Last time we really did it was under Robb Smith in 2012 right before most of our senior 2 deep at DB went into the NFL.
Foster, Meekins, Freeny, Johnson, Vallone, Westerman, Silvestro, Tverdov, Orr, Francis are just a few of the names off the top of my head from the Schiano era. Outside of Hamilton, there's not 1 guy under Paganos that you can compare to any of those guys, AND most of those guys weren't rated very highly as recruits. We just developed our players that much better then.
Let's not forget about Turay. Kid basically played zero football before he got here and now is one of the most important defensive players we have. If it wasn't for his injury he would be playing major minutes. I think coach Paganos has done a tremendous job developing him.
Vallone played only his senior year under Panagos, so no, he was in no way developed by him. We've been hearing about JPO forever now yet he still hasn't done anything and the jury is still out on Wilkins, but didn't even when the starting job
Vallone only played one season under Panagos. Not sure he can take credit for Vallones career. Panagos is a serviceable D-Line coach. Seems to be involved with many of the higher profile recruits but not sure if he has a signature player he can take credit for developing. D-Line has lacked in the last couple of years but I think that is more to do with not having the access to big run stuffers.
And Hamilton only got in for 15 plays this year, and was basically playing on 1 leg. That's not going to have an impact on the pass rush? Did OSU have the same level of pass rush when Joey Bosa was suspended? You also seemed to have forgotten Turay, who also was playing hurt in some of these games.
I'm talking about his entire tenure here, not just this season, so please stop with the injury excuses
While it's true when they say "everything starts up front". As far as having a very good defensive team in contemporary football...I think it's most important to have a good and experienced secondary. RU's 2 best defensive teams over the last 10 years (2012 and 2006) had experienced and pretty talented DBs. Even the backups had played a lot in the defensive system. It allows the DC to be more creative and to bring more pressure which helps the pass rush. I caught some of the Oregon/Utah replay and Oregon's defense is really bad right now. The biggest problem they have is a very inexperienced and young secondary. They remind me of RU's secondary in 2013. Mass confusion, breakdowns, poor tackling, poor angles. I think RU's DL is decent but they will struggle against the talented OLs that have to face (see MSU, OSU, Wisc). One of these years RU will actually have a very experienced secondary.
Every year we have an excuse under Flood. Secondary was brand new 2 years ago and they should have been experienced this year but again excuses.
That's why backups are suppose to be ready to play. The depth isn't there due to our recruiting.
The secondary was brand new 2 years ago. Unfortunately they had to kick the 4 DBs with actual game experience off the team before the season started this year. Not making excuses, it's because of their own idiocy, but it is a fact and if you don't think that is going to hurt the defensive play..you're kidding yourself.
Being a returning player from last year's torched secondary doesn't exactly establish you as a defense-changing player.
Isn't inexperience a lot about getting reps for guys you will need in the future?
For Instance the statement that Rettig didn't know the playbook because he was focused on scout team. If we brought him in to challenge for start this year shouldn't we got him learning our system? Same argument for giving him reps.
Maybe this whole 1-0 mantra is taken to the extreme at long term development costs.
For Instance the statement that Rettig didn't know the playbook because he was focused on scout team. If we brought him in to challenge for start this year shouldn't we got him learning our system? Same argument for giving him reps.
Maybe this whole 1-0 mantra is taken to the extreme at long term development costs.
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