Conference Expansion Mistakes

[Knight Shift]

http://www.yardbarker.com/college_f...akes_over_the_past_15_years/s1_13132_22170154
BIG TEN: Rutgers
No one understands how Rutgers hit the jackpot and got into the Big Ten. Seriously. Think about it. Rutgers hasn't been a premiere football or basketball program and only mildly bring in the New York metro market that the Big Ten wanted to sell their Big Ten Network. Of all the realignment over the past 15 years, this was the most obvious sellout.

This isn't just living in the now and watching the Scarlet Knights football team lose 58-0 to Ohio State and 78-0 to Michigan. No, this is watching them win four Big Ten games in their three seasons and having a robbery scandal hit in 2015. The program has been a nightmare since joining the Big Ten. This is realizing this team doesn't belong in the Big Ten at all and maybe having that market isn't all its cracked up to be. I mean, does Rutgers football mean that much to an area that has so many sports to offer?

I guess. It's like being friends with the weird kid because he has cool video games and toys and his mom always cooks dinner. You deal with him because of what he can bring you. Same goes for the Big Ten and Rutgers marriage.


ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE: Boston College
SOUTHEAST CONFERENCE: Missouri
PAC-12 CONFERENCE: Colorado
BIG 12: West Virginia
AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE/BIG EAST: Tulane

 

[demauroj]

Another idiot who thinks it is about Football and not about money

 

[n1tlion]

http://www.yardbarker.com/college_f...akes_over_the_past_15_years/s1_13132_22170154
BIG TEN: Rutgers
No one understands how Rutgers hit the jackpot and got into the Big Ten. Seriously. Think about it. Rutgers hasn't been a premiere football or basketball program and only mildly bring in the New York metro market that the Big Ten wanted to sell their Big Ten Network. Of all the realignment over the past 15 years, this was the most obvious sellout.

This isn't just living in the now and watching the Scarlet Knights football team lose 58-0 to Ohio State and 78-0 to Michigan. No, this is watching them win four Big Ten games in their three seasons and having a robbery scandal hit in 2015. The program has been a nightmare since joining the Big Ten. This is realizing this team doesn't belong in the Big Ten at all and maybe having that market isn't all its cracked up to be. I mean, does Rutgers football mean that much to an area that has so many sports to offer?

I guess. It's like being friends with the weird kid because he has cool video games and toys and his mom always cooks dinner. You deal with him because of what he can bring you. Same goes for the Big Ten and Rutgers marriage.


ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE: Boston College
SOUTHEAST CONFERENCE: Missouri
PAC-12 CONFERENCE: Colorado
BIG 12: West Virginia
AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE/BIG EAST: Tulane

Living in Jersey I know the Rutgers institution fits the B1G mold as far as academics and culture...things I've heard though are that the B1G could have convinced a school like Syracuse to jump from the ACC instead and brought just as much exposure to the NYC metro area, with more of a football tradition, more so even than Maryland and obviously a very good basketball program (what they don't say is they've had their own run in with scandal recently as well). That the basketball boost alone would have moved the needle enough to warrant a midline football program.

 

[ATIOH]

I guess. It's like being friends with the weird kid because he has cool video games and toys and his mom always cooks dinner. You deal with him because of what he can bring you.

So angry. I'm taking my pot roast and Super Nintendo to my room.

 

[rubaseball78]

Didn't Missouri outplay much of the SEC their first 2 years?

 

[drewbagel423]

Another idiot who thinks it is about Football and not about money

Not only that but... yardbarker?

 

[sherrane]

Didn't Missouri outplay much of the SEC their first 2 years?

They won the SEC East in their second and third seasons in the SEC and were probably the 4th or 5th best team in the league those seasons. They have been terrible in every other season.

 

[ru8081]

http://www.yardbarker.com/college_f...akes_over_the_past_15_years/s1_13132_22170154
BIG TEN: Rutgers
No one understands how Rutgers hit the jackpot and got into the Big Ten. Seriously. Think about it. Rutgers hasn't been a premiere football or basketball program and only mildly bring in the New York metro market that the Big Ten wanted to sell their Big Ten Network. Of all the realignment over the past 15 years, this was the most obvious sellout.

This isn't just living in the now and watching the Scarlet Knights football team lose 58-0 to Ohio State and 78-0 to Michigan. No, this is watching them win four Big Ten games in their three seasons and having a robbery scandal hit in 2015. The program has been a nightmare since joining the Big Ten. This is realizing this team doesn't belong in the Big Ten at all and maybe having that market isn't all its cracked up to be. I mean, does Rutgers football mean that much to an area that has so many sports to offer?

I guess. It's like being friends with the weird kid because he has cool video games and toys and his mom always cooks dinner. You deal with him because of what he can bring you. Same goes for the Big Ten and Rutgers marriage.


ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE: Boston College
SOUTHEAST CONFERENCE: Missouri
PAC-12 CONFERENCE: Colorado
BIG 12: West Virginia
AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE/BIG EAST: Tulane

You are an Idiot! West Virginia is doing quite well in the B12. BC did well in the ACC when the first joined.

 

[Knight Shift]

Not only that but... yardbarker?

Yeah, it's a blog, but it showed up in my Yahoo page. Why, in 2016, I still have a Yahoo home page is another question. Old habits die hard.

 

[Knight Shift]

You are an Idiot! West Virginia is doing quite well in the B12. BC did well in the ACC when the first joined.

umm, I did not write the piece or say I agree with it.

 

[shields]

Rutgers has not even received the full share yet. BC for example has been in ACC for what at least 9 years? If Ru had been in conference for awhile I could understand. Heck we haven't even played Purdue yet. Let us be honest two years ago we play Purdue instead of Nebraska we have 9 wins the first year.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

What is the point of sneaking out negative moronic articles and blog posts?

The article has zero clue on how any of this works, zero.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Living in Jersey I know the Rutgers institution fits the B1G mold as far as academics and culture...things I've heard though are that the B1G could have convinced a school like Syracuse to jump from the ACC instead and brought just as much exposure to the NYC metro area, with more of a football tradition, more so even than Maryland and obviously a very good basketball program (what they don't say is they've had their own run in with scandal recently as well). That the basketball boost alone would have moved the needle enough to warrant a midline football program.

100% FALSE, Syracuse are NOT in any way shape or form part of the NYC TV Market. In fact they are located nearly 6 hours away.

Furthermore they are one of the few schools to redraw their AAU membership. Their are a private school and not a state flagship like most Big Ten schools.

They have zero in common with with most Big Ten schools.

Finally for people who like to take cheap shots at Rutgers football during the 1st season of a major program overhaul and rebuilding job... we are still far better than Cuse Football:

Here is our record against them since 2003:

2012/10/13 Rutgers 23 - Syracuse 15 W
2011/10/01 Rutgers 19 - Syracuse 16 W OT
2010/11/13 Rutgers 10 - Syracuse 13 L
2009/11/21 Rutgers 13 - Syracuse 31 L
2008/11/08 Rutgers 35 - Syracuse 17 W
2007/10/13 Rutgers 38 - Syracuse 14 W
2006/11/25 Rutgers 38 - Syracuse 7 W
2005/10/15 Rutgers 31 - Syracuse 9 W
2004/10/02 Rutgers 31 - Syracuse 41 L
2003/11/29 Rutgers 24 - Syracuse 7 W

 

[Steve91562]

They need to wait until RU gets a full share of the B10 finances b4 they declare it a mistake.

Didn't Rutgers win their last 8 out of 11 versus Syracuse? Didn't RU go to like 8 bowl games in the last decade? Doesn't RU have a better winning percentage over the last decade then many of the middling ACC teams? At the very least that shows RU can get back to beating mid-tier ACC teams.

Too many fans and sports writer focus on the present -- w/o understanding the facts -- instead understanding what is just around the corner.

I guess the B10 commissioner is stupid.

 

[RutgersROB]

We r a great fit for the Big Ten...give it a couple years when we are really good and its gonna be huge

 

[RUfinal4]

I am not defending this guy but let's look at his supposed list of conference mistakes:

B10: Rutgers (we were added for the CIC and $ for the BTN. The mistake for Rutgers was Flood replacing Schiano and Eddie Jordan being unsuccessful at the collegiate level. The support from trenton for Rutgers also hurts our chances to compete since it is possible Trenton will cut support when more B10 $ comes in)
ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE: Boston College (maybe they don't add as much for viewership and winning as the other newcomers)
SOUTHEAST CONFERENCE: Missouri (not sure about this other than they are not as easy to travel to as other SEC schools. maybe because they get cold weather too)
PAC-12 CONFERENCE: Colorado (Utah can be mentioned too since both don't really fit into the Pac 12 mold and haven't been winning)
BIG 12: West Virginia (The mistake here was not adding Louisville and Cincy at the same time for an eastern block. Having 1 travel outlier school is tough for the rest of the conference)
AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE/BIG EAST: Tulane (The AAC needed members and quick. Tulane is a respected school in a decent sized town. They are private but don't really hurt the AAC)

 

[RU-05]

Living in Jersey I know the Rutgers institution fits the B1G mold as far as academics and culture...things I've heard though are that the B1G could have convinced a school like Syracuse to jump from the ACC instead and brought just as much exposure to the NYC metro area, with more of a football tradition, more so even than Maryland and obviously a very good basketball program (what they don't say is they've had their own run in with scandal recently as well). That the basketball boost alone would have moved the needle enough to warrant a midline football program.

Ya, no way they bring the exposure to the market that NJ does. And that really was the point.

Look RU was brought in more on potential then it's current abilities, so there was expected to be a rough patch at the start, sure no one expected a home invasion and coaching scandal, nor was 136-0 an expected part of early chapters in the B1G, but no one expected RU to be competing with top teams in conference early in this process.

 

[ru8081]

umm, I did not write the piece or say I agree with it.

Sorry. Usually people who diss our move to the B1G in ignorant morons. Their list is indicative of their ignorance. Thank goodness that Mr. Delany is not one of them.

 

[wheezer]

We r a great fit for the Big Ten...give it a couple years when we are really good and its gonna be huge

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It is easy to pick on RU right now...... talk to me in 10 years..... it could be similar to now, but I doubt it

 

[srru86]

.things I've heard though are that the B1G could have convinced a school like Syracuse to jump from the ACC instead and brought just as much exposure to the NYC metro area

Things you heard that are factually incorrect. Are you listening to the same ignorant folks that can't fathom that it is about cable boxes? The ones that don't realize Syracuse is closer to Toronto than NYC? The ones that don't realize RU outdraws 'Cuse when they play a national power in NJ while we host a HBCU? That some of the highest ratings for CFB in the NY TV market are RU games? That the massive NYC TV market is many, many times larger and more affluent than whatever Podunk town they live in. And about a third of that market is actually in NJ?

 

[RU-05]

Are other schools, like BC, Syracuse, WVU going through the improvements, both athletically and institutionally like Rutgers has over the past however many years.

 

[Leonard23]

Living in Jersey I know the Rutgers institution fits the B1G mold as far as academics and culture...things I've heard though are that the B1G could have convinced a school like Syracuse to jump from the ACC instead and brought just as much exposure to the NYC metro area, with more of a football tradition, more so even than Maryland and obviously a very good basketball program (what they don't say is they've had their own run in with scandal recently as well). That the basketball boost alone would have moved the needle enough to warrant a midline football program.

100% FALSE, Syracuse are NOT in any way shape or form part of the NYC TV Market. In fact they are located nearly 6 hours away.

Furthermore they are one of the few schools to redraw their AAU membership. Their are a private school and not a state flagship like most Big Ten schools.

They have zero in common with with most Big Ten schools.

Finally for people who like to take cheap shots at Rutgers football during the 1st season of a major program overhaul and rebuilding job... we are still far better than Cuse Football:

Here is our record against them since 2003:

2012/10/13 Rutgers 23 - Syracuse 15 W
2011/10/01 Rutgers 19 - Syracuse 16 W OT
2010/11/13 Rutgers 10 - Syracuse 13 L
2009/11/21 Rutgers 13 - Syracuse 31 L
2008/11/08 Rutgers 35 - Syracuse 17 W
2007/10/13 Rutgers 38 - Syracuse 14 W
2006/11/25 Rutgers 38 - Syracuse 7 W
2005/10/15 Rutgers 31 - Syracuse 9 W
2004/10/02 Rutgers 31 - Syracuse 41 L
2003/11/29 Rutgers 24 - Syracuse 7 W

Things you heard that are factually incorrect. Are you listening to the same ignorant folks that can't fathom that it is about cable boxes? The ones that don't realize Syracuse is closer to Toronto than NYC? The ones that don't realize RU outdraws 'Cuse when they play a national power in NJ while we host a HBCU? That some of the highest ratings for CFB in the NY TV market are RU games? That the massive NYC TV market is many, many times larger and more affluent than whatever Podunk town they live in. And about a third of that market is actually in NJ?

We delivered significant increases in BTN carriage fees & subscribers, as well as national brands:

Addition of Rutgers, Maryland Helps Grow Affiliate, Ad Sales Revenue
http://adage.com/article/media/east-young-man-expansion-a-boon-big-ten-network/300748/

- Cablevision's (2.64M subscribers) payout alone to BTN increased to $31.7M from $13.9M due to the contract we delivered in the NYC DMA. We don't know what the Comcast & TWC payouts increased to but that's additional $ as well.

- BTN added 8M subscribers to increase subscriptions to 60M households

Syracuse couldn't have delivered any of that.

 

[Saint Puppy]

Can't say blog is completely wrong from a present day football and basketball perspective. Flood ran this program into the ground and we are seeing the fruits of his labor (or lack thereof now) and NOBODY can defend our basketball program over the past couple of decades. Yes, I certainly understand the $ aspect of all this, but I can see how others could be disappointed in our current performance and want us to push the envelope to get better.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

B1G expansion mistakes: none.

 

[Leonard23]

Can't say blog is completely wrong from a present day football and basketball perspective. Flood ran this program into the ground and we are seeing the fruits of his labor (or lack thereof now) and NOBODY can defend our basketball program over the past couple of decades. Yes, I certainly understand the $ aspect of all this, but I can see how others could be disappointed in our current performance and want us to push the envelope to get better.

You clearly missed the point of expansion. The B1G brought us in for $ & access to the NYC TV DMA, academics & athletics potential, not current performance. Do you realize that we make less $ from conference payouts than every other P5 school & by a wide margin of 2x-3x or 4x less & have been for many years now? If the B1G or any of its other members want us to get better faster, then pay us at least the increase of the new TV revenue now.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

I am not defending this guy but let's look at his supposed list of conference mistakes:

B10: Rutgers (we were added for the CIC and $ for the BTN. The mistake for Rutgers was Flood replacing Schiano and Eddie Jordan being unsuccessful at the collegiate level. The support from trenton for Rutgers also hurts our chances to compete since it is possible Trenton will cut support when more B10 $ comes in) It's easy to pick on Rutgers because of the Flood situation and last year's failures. No one will ever mention how the program has been respectable the last dozen years. Plus had a successful first year in the B1G. Also, the writer failed to mention the B1G has been looking at Rutgers since the early 90s as a possible candidate for the B1G. Bottom line, it's agenda driven to make the author's point in the article. Otherwise, the argument is weak and based around hate.
ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE: Boston College (maybe they don't add as much for viewership and winning as the other newcomers) Can't defend BC because this has been a trend for them since joining the ACC. Otherwise, they fit mode of the ACC of some state schools and several small private schools.
SOUTHEAST CONFERENCE: Missouri (not sure about this other than they are not as easy to travel to as other SEC schools. maybe because they get cold weather too) For the first few years in the SEC Missouri was one of the better teams. They appeared in 2 straight SEC championship games. Besides, the last year and this year Missouri has been a solid program for some time now.
PAC-12 CONFERENCE: Colorado (Utah can be mentioned too since both don't really fit into the Pac 12 mold and haven't been winning) Colorado has struggled the last 10 years, but overall they have a solid history. Colorado didn't pursue the Pac 12. It's the other way around and it been after CU since the late 70s right after the league added Arizona and Arizona State. Utah benefited from the Pac 12 due to their long history (100+ years) with CU. It gave CU balance when entering the Pac 12.
BIG 12: West Virginia (The mistake here was not adding Louisville and Cincy at the same time for an eastern block. Having 1 travel outlier school is tough for the rest of the conference) WVU biggest issue is its location and the quick decision by the Big 12 to add a school without thinking the process out. WVU has been a solid member of the Big 12 when compared to Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech and Kansas State, so it was a step up for the league.
AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE/BIG EAST: Tulane (The AAC needed members and quick. Tulane is a respected school in a decent sized town. They are private but don't really hurt the AAC) This is none power 5 school, so movement among them doesn't make much of a difference is the grand scheme of things.

Haters are always going to hate no matter what. If it rains today, those haters will argue there is no rain and have no real facts to back it up.

 

[RobertG]

With the addition of Maryland and Rutgers in July 2014, the Big Ten Conference began seriously flexing its financial strength, the conference’s new federal tax return shows.

The conference had $448.8 million in total revenue during a fiscal year ending June 30, 2015 — a figure that represents a nearly $110 million increase over what it pulled in during its 2014 fiscal year.

As a result, the conference distributed roughly $32.4 million to each of its longest-standing 11 members, amounts that put those schools on par with amounts the Southeastern Conference distributed to each of its 14 member schools from conference revenue that totaled $527.4 million.

And another

Rutgers alone has helped BTN improve its positioning within New York-area cable systems owned by Comcast, Time Warner Cable and Cablevision, and the Maryland affiliation has raised the network's profile in the greater Washington, D.C. area.

In expanding its scholastic footprint, the Big Ten also increased the value of the BTN's New York and D.C. subscribers. According to SNL Kagan data, cable operators pay an estimated "in-market" rate of $1 per sub per month, more than double the $0.44 fees charged outside the conference's home markets. Cablevision alone serves 2.64 million video customers in New York, New Jersey and southwestern Connecticut; with the upgraded fee in place, BTN sees its annual payout from the operator rise to around $31.7 million from $13.9 million.

Affiliate deals aside, BTN's increased penetration in the No. 1 and No. 7 DMAs can only lead to a concomitant lift in the network's advertising rates. At present, buyers say the average unit cost of a 30-second spot in one of BTN's live football telecasts is on par with the rates charged by the nation's No. 1 conference-affiliated channel, the ESPN-owned-and-operated SEC Network. That said, there is plenty of room for improvement; in September, the average cost of in-game :30 on both networks was south of $4,000 a pop.

 

[Saint Puppy]

You clearly missed the point of expansion. The B1G brought us in for $ & access to the NYC TV DMA, academics & athletics potential, not current performance. Do you realize that we make less $ from conference payouts than every other P5 school & by a wide margin of 2x-3x or 4x less & have been for many years now? If the B1G or any of its other members want us to get better faster, then pay us at least the increase of the new TV revenue now.

You clearly didn't read what I wrote - I specifically say I understand the money aspect of it. I am under no illusions that we are in the B1G because of our sports performance, however also realize that without the Schiano years we are most likely not it. So again I understand why we are in the B1G, and also understand others being disappointed with our performance.

 

[RU-05]

You clearly didn't read what I wrote - I specifically say I understand the money aspect of it. I am under no illusions that we are in the B1G because of our sports performance, however also realize that without the Schiano years we are most likely not it. So again I understand why we are in the B1G, and also understand others being disappointed with our performance.

I think there is no doubt that the Flood scandal's were an embarrassment and a disappointment. As was 136-0. In the story's argument I think those are solid premises. It's the conclusion on the argument that is the issue. Now I think RU does need to keep it's nose clean, and it does need to improve on both the football field and the b-ball court, as well as athletics in general, but the real conclusion should read: Despite embarrassments Big Ten is happy RU is aboard.

 

[RUsojo]

My only response to stuff like this now that we're in and it's over is:

Whatever.

 

[CERU00]

Why do people search out and post articles written by the obviously ignorant that put us in a bad light... This topic has already been discussed ad nauseam.

 

[Saint Puppy]

I think there is no doubt that the Flood scandal's were an embarrassment and a disappointment. As was 136-0. In the story's argument I think those are solid premises. It's the conclusion on the argument that is the issue. Now I think RU does need to keep it's nose clean, and it does need to improve on both the football field and the b-ball court, as well as athletics in general, but the real conclusion should read: Despite embarrassments Big Ten is happy RU is aboard.

Agree with you, but unfortunately (or fortunately depending on what school you are) the public perception on the value of a school is based on how they do in football and bball.

 

[MJL_52]

So angry. I'm taking my pot roast and Super Nintendo to my room.

Playing anything good?!?

 

[RAA-1]

Why do people search out and post articles written by the obviously ignorant that put us in a bad light... This topic has already been discussed ad e.

+1000 only RU fans would do this.

 

[CERU00]

Y

+1000 only RU fans would do this.

Yup....over and over. I don't see crap like this posted on other boards.

 

[mildone]

You are an Idiot! West Virginia is doing quite well in the B12. BC did well in the ACC when the first joined.

Killing the messenger softly with your song?

 

[NU 71 72 74]

B1G expansion mistakes: none.

x2 We still love ya !

.02

and, Go Cats !!

 

[Knight Shift]

Why do people search out and post articles written by the obviously ignorant that put us in a bad light... This topic has already been discussed ad nauseam.

1. Not searched out- it was in my Yahoo feed (having a Yahoo feed is more embarrassing than posting the blog link);
2. The broader topic had not been discussed of other P5 and non-P5 expansion mistakes. Sorry if the post offended you. Thought this was a football message board that discusses conferences and alignment/realignment.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

the mere fact he had Mizzou as a mistake is laughable as they cleaned house for a bit.

 

[cicero grimes]

the mere fact he had Mizzou as a mistake is laughable as they cleaned house for a bit.

Exactly. The writer has a short memory. I also do not recall any articles about this being a mistake when we went out and beat UM our first year in and crushed UNC in a bowl game.