Originally posted by rutgersdave:
I see 6 players recruited from 2013 that have seen the field out of 22 recruits and maybe 1-2 starters. A lot of them left the program already. From 2011 recruiting class there were about 11 that were starters or were significant contributors. From the 2012 class there were about 12 starters or significant contributors. 2013 recruiting class was not deep enough since half the class should be contributing on the field. Looking at the 2014 class, many of them have left the program already.
That is a problem when you have a few good players but you need about 11-12 good players recruited each year. You can not field a team with only 6-7 good players every year. You need at least 11 good players a year.
This post was edited on 3/30 11:59 PM by rutgersdave
So ... 2013 players. Statement: "6 have seen the field, and 1-2 are starters." Forgetting that those players were either redshirt Frosh or true Soph in the just completed 2014 season. Here is the ACTUAL count:
Played: Barnwell, Cioffi, Goodwin, Grant, Joseph, Laviano, Liston (now gone), Patton, Deion Stephenson (DB) - originally in 2012 class but went prep, Tsimis, Turay ... by my count 11 players from this class have already played ... not 6.
Starters (likely): Barnwell, Patton, Stephenson, Turay ... 4, not 1-2.
Other Contributors Likely: Dorian Miller, Waife (though I see him also listed on the 2014 list - not sure which is right), Arcidiacono, Nash, TJ Taylor ... another 5 players.
Now let's look at 2014, who were true Frosh LAST season:
Already Played: Boggs, Hicks, Martin, Lucy ... who am I missing, as I thought 6 played?
Possible Additional 2015 Contributors (some on special teams): Applefield (though more likely in 2016), Cole, Hampton, Russell, Waife (or was he really 2013?), Wilkins, Wharton.
That is a total of 11 from the 2014 class ... with several others as longer term developers, like Heeman and Webb ... and this was the class that fell apart ... not so bad considering. Applefield, Cole, Heeman, Wilkins and Waife could all end up starters at some point, as could Boggs ( a sometimes starter as a Frosh), Hicks OR Martin. True, fewer than many classes, but we KNOW this class was full of fill-ins after so many decommits.
Perspective ... Class of 2012:
Already Started: Caroo, Hamilton, Longa, C. Muller, Peele (though won't be one of the starting 2 WR this coming year), Peoples (though only due to injuries), Federico ... only 7), though this was supposed to be such a good class, eh? And this class were all true Juniors and redshirt Sophs last year.
Possible Additional Starters in 2015: Denman, JPO (though he looks like he will back-up at DT rather than start at DE).
Other Possible Contributors: Brodie, Nelson, Davon Jacobs, Lambert, Agudosi.
For Perspective ... Class of 2011: 9 Starters (Aiken - only started 1 year, Gause - still here, Kaleb Johnson, Kirksey, Kroft, Lumpkin - still here, Mera - still here, Nova, Snyder).
Summary:[/B]
RutgersDave Statements: 2012- 12 Starters or Significant Contributors; 2013 - 1-2 Starters, 6 Contributors; 2014 - Many have left the program. Plus 2011 had 11 starters.
2011:[/B] 9 starters overall ... Likely or Possible 2015 Starters = 3
2012:[/B] Likely or Possible 2015 Starters = 6; Additional Most Likely Contributors = 5 (not Nelson or Brodie yet)
2013: Likely or Possible 2015 Starters = 4; Additional Most Likely Contributors = 8 (not including Waife or Goodwin - not sure where Goodwin plays)
2014: Likely or Possible 2015 Starters = 4 (Hicks or Martin, Boggs, Wilkins, Cole); Additional Most Likely Contributors = 4
But, please, do not let actual facts get in the way of uninformed opinions and statements.
