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My (late) thoughts on Wisconsin

Had the pleasure of meeting Hal Mumme and sitting and chatting with him on a couple of occasions. He and Leach created the air raid offense together. What a great time. Preached simplicity and repetition lead to mastery. And mastery leads to success.
I have taken a lot of my coaching philosophies from that simplistic process. Awesome stuff.
 
I would have moved my family to even GA for Leach.

Had the pleasure of meeting Hal Mumme and sitting and chatting with him on a couple of occasions. He and Leach created the air raid offense together. What a great time. Preached simplicity and repetition lead to mastery. And mastery leads to success.
If you have not, highly recommend reading the book Swing Your Sword by Leach. Some know Leach obtained a law degree from Pepperdine, but when he graduated, he was not "feeling it" about becoming an attorney. He was originally from Wyoming, and he wrote to the famed trial attorney Gerry Spence, and in a nutshell, Spence told Leach that if he was not passionate about the law, to do what he felt passionate about and his work would never feel like a job. I have shared that story with multiple young people, and in several cases, those young people went on to fulfilling lines of work. Nobody will ever top Leach's press conferences.

Was in Key West shortly after Mike Leach passed away. Mike Leach has a stool raised in his honor at Captain Tony's Saloon in his
honor with less important legends who preceded him.

Faber looked at the empty spot to the right of the stool that honors Ernest Hemingway and to the left of stools with the names of two U.S. Presidents, John F. Kennedy and Harry Truman.

"I really think we have to stick a guy like Mike between Hemingway and two presidents," Faber said that day. "I know he can tell better stories than Hemingway and is a lot smarter than Kennedy and Truman
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Nah, that's obviously not it. Nobody makes it their personal mission to bash a person the way you bash Schiano on an hourly basis without some kind of personal grudge. If it was just not thinking he's the guy for the job, you wouldn't be talking about his personality like that.

Arrogance? Obnoxiously high on himself? No sincere humility?

Because it would help recruiting for GS to stop projecting confidence? 😀

C'mon now. Tell us what he did to you. Let it out.
It's like this Mildy: imagine you make 50th anniversary reservations with your precious old lady at the finest of fine seafood restaurants in the most picturesque location. $1000 pp prix fixe. You both have looked forward to this special occasion for years, spending a big chunk of your Medicare check on this grand plan. You get the idea.

But then your highly anticipated and insanely expensive meal arrives: soggy fish sticks with the chef's hair on it, potato chips from an opened bag and a no-brand catsup packet on a re-used paper plate that just came out of the dishwasher.

How would you feel ? Not merely disappointed I bet. Your first words to your dear wife wouldn't be, "who cares, let's just go to Tim Hortons". You wouldn't make excuses for the restaurant. You wouldn't say, "well, a dollar doesn't go as far as it used to." You'd feel intensely aggravated. You would feel cheated.

He's nothing more than soggy fish sticks on a re-used paper plate. He's what no one takes from the "free stuff" pile on someone's curb that the town dump won't take either. No one else would hire him; no other fan base would allow it. Yet Rutgers took him.

That's how Shelby feels about this HC. Cheated and angry. Negative two point zero is completely unequipped to win consistently in this conference. Shelby expects much better from the football program.

Negative Two Point Zero had a few good years two decades ago only after the top teams left for the ACC. That mass defection isn't happening in this conference to falsely boost his accomplishments this time.

We're all wasting 10 years of our lives at least with no hope for consistent winning or bowls in warm places as RU fans with this HC.

That's how it is. Does that answer your question ?
 
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It's like this Mildy: imagine you make 50th anniversary reservations with your precious old lady at the finest of fine seafood restaurants in the most picturesque location. $1000 pp prix fixe. You both have looked forward to this special occasion for years, spending a big chunk of your Medicare check on this grand plan. You get the idea.

But then your highly anticipated and insanely expensive meal arrives: soggy fish sticks with the chef's hair on it, potato chips from an opened bag and a no-brand catsup packet on a re-used paper plate that just came out of the dishwasher.

How would you feel ? Not merely disappointed I bet. Your first words to your dear wife wouldn't be, "who cares, let's just go to Tim Hortons". You wouldn't make excuses for the restaurant. You wouldn't say, "well, a dollar doesn't go as far as it used to." You'd feel intensely aggravated. You would feel cheated.

He's nothing more than soggy fish sticks on a re-used paper plate. He's what no one takes from the "free stuff" pile on someone's curb that the town dump won't take either. No one else would hire him; no other fan base would allow it. Yet Rutgers took him.

That's how Shelby feels about this HC. Cheated and angry. Negative two point zero is completely unequipped to win consistently in this conference. Shelby expects much better from the football program.

Negative Two Point Zero had a few good years two decades ago only after the top teams left for the ACC. That mass defection isn't happening in this conference to falsely boost his accomplishments this time.

We're all wasting 10 years of our lives at least with no hope for consistent winning or bowls in warm places as RU fans with this HC.

That's how it is. Does that answer your question ?
Well... no, it doesn't.

First of all, I'm not nearly old enough to have a 50th anniversary with anyone. And I hate seafood. I mean, if a cow, which I love eating, dips it's hoof into a stream, it's instantly removed from my list of possible foods.

But no worries, I'll just adjust your analogy a bit so it applies more closely to me.

So... Let's instead say that I take a few $10K/night hookers to the finest Italian restaurant at the most picturesque location on the planet to celebrate. That would mean flying to Italy for the night which is gonna set me back at least $80K for a decent plane, and lots more for lodging and other stuff. And of course, I've spent another $2K on pure uncut Bolivian blow for the ladies, who enjoy that sort of thing.

But as things go sometimes, the plane has maintenance delays, causing us to miss our reservation. Good thing I know the owner, so we get in anyway. But then a fire starts in the kitchen, and we wind up having to evacuate the restaurant just as we start digging into the main course of what is turning out to be the finest meal any of us has ever had in our lives (although I'll allow for the possibility that it could just be the blow talking).

At this point, it's too late to go anywhere else, so we're stuck eating at a 24 hour McDonalds. But just as I'm about to bite into my first Quarter Pounder w/cheese, one of the hookers faints from hunger and face-dives into her McNuggets, toppling the whole table over, spilling BBQ sauce everywhere including into the bag of blow and all over the $5K dresses I got each of the ladies as part of their tip, ruining them permanently. So now they're in a really rotten mood 'cause of the ruined dresses - and I'm all out of blow. On top of which, I'm starving.

I could let this really bad luck totally unbalance me, causing me to form a psychotic endless vendetta against the restaurant owner for allowing a fire in the kitchen, against the woman that supplied such easily irritated hookers, and against Learjet for not making planes that maintain themselves. I could spend countless hours per day online, writing negative reviews of all these people who ruined my night, hell-bent on disrupting any positive sentiment from anyone anywhere about any of the businesses or persons involved.

Or... I could get over myself and be an adult about it all. I could locate a local dealer with both blow and MDMA for the ladies. Convince the private airline to give me an extra day w/the plane and pilots for free given their delays. Wake up an Italian grocer friend to have him deliver me what I need to prepare a gourmet meal for myself at the hotel (the ladies having no appetite due to the blow and MDMA). And then, after eating, I could join the ladies, who already got started without me while I ate, for a wonderful day and a half of joyous fun.

See, there's two kinds of people in the world. People who let meaningless stuff like sports totally unbalance them for years on end and feel compelled to spread their silly misery as far and wide as possible. And then there's people who refuse to allow stuff they can't control to ruin their mood, and instead find joy doing little things to try and make everybody around them as happy as they are.

So. Which kind of person are you? 🙂
 
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I agree to all that but would just add the caveat that the degree to which elite QBs, WRs, or TEs can help overcome a bad OL is dependent upon two nuanced factors: (1) just how bad the OL is and (2) how good the OC is. IMO, a truly bad OL is a very hard thing to overcome no matter the eliteness of the rest of the offense. Not impossible, but very hard.

I don't know if our OL is super bad, or just a little bad, or somewhere inbetween. They sure ain't good. I suspect they're probably not so awful that a combination of an NFL first rounder QB combined with NFL first round WRs and TEs and a really good and creative OC might be able to overcome our OL's deficiencies.

But that's purely hypothetical as our QB and WRs and TEs have not been nearly good enough to overcome our OL's level of play.
well - if you look at 2010...and yes, I know, the injury. but- that OL is what killed us.

We had a future NFL QB and WR and you could even put Harrison as VERY good to go along with Sanu- and even if people don't realize it- Jersey Joe was a VERY good RB...But the OL was the problem.
 
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Well... no, it doesn't.

First of all, I'm not nearly old enough to have a 50th anniversary with anyone. And I hate seafood. I mean, if a cow, which I love eating, dips it's hoof into a stream, it's instantly removed from my list of possible foods.

But no worries, I'll just adjust your analogy a bit so it applies more closely to me.

So... Let's instead say that I take a few $10K/night hookers to the finest Italian restaurant at the most picturesque location on the planet to celebrate. That would mean flying to Italy for the night which is gonna set me back at least $80K for a decent plane, and lots more for lodging and other stuff. And of course, I've spent another $2K on pure uncut Bolivian blow for the ladies, who enjoy that sort of thing.

But as things go sometimes, the plane has maintenance delays, causing us to miss our reservation. Good thing I know the owner, so we get in anyway. But then a fire starts in the kitchen, and we wind up having to evacuate the restaurant just as we start digging into the main course of what is turning out to be the finest meal any of us has ever had in our lives (although I'll allow for the possibility that it could just be the blow talking).

At this point, it's too late to go anywhere else, so we're stuck eating at a 24 hour McDonalds. But just as I'm about to bite into my first Quarter Pounder w/cheese, one of the hookers faints from hunger and face-dives into her McNuggets, toppling the whole table over, spilling BBQ sauce everywhere including into the bag of blow and all over the $5K dresses I got each of the ladies as part of their tip, ruining them permanently. So now they're in a really rotten mood 'cause of the ruined dresses - and I'm all out of blow. On top of which, I'm starving.

I could let this really bad luck totally unbalance me, causing me to form a psychotic endless vendetta against the restaurant owner for allowing a fire in the kitchen, against the woman that supplied such easily irritated hookers, and against Learjet for not making planes that maintain themselves. I could spend countless hours per day online, writing negative reviews of all these people who ruined my night, hell-bent on disrupting any positive sentiment from anyone anywhere about any of the businesses or persons involved.

Or... I could get over myself and be an adult about it all. I could locate a local dealer with both blow and MDMA for the ladies. Convince the private airline to give me an extra day w/the plane and pilots for free given their delays. Wake up an Italian grocer friend to have him deliver me what I need to prepare a gourmet meal for myself at the hotel (the ladies having no appetite due to the blow and MDMA). And then, after eating, I could join the ladies, who already got started without me while I ate, for a wonderful day and a half of joyous fun.

See, there's two kinds of people in the world. People who let meaningless stuff like sports totally unbalance them for years on end and feel compelled to spread their silly misery as far and wide as possible. And then there's people who refuse to allow stuff they can't control to ruin their mood, and instead find joy doing little things to try and make everybody around them as happy as they are.

So. Which kind of person are you? 🙂
Shelby appreciates cow/stream humor, but all that followed seemed more Mildy's life experience than hypothetical. And Shelby doesn't know anything about hookers and blow. Nor would he want to, that's the story of Rutgers Al, at least the hookers part.

Planes don't have 5 year maintenance delays and Schiano's curse isn't bad luck. It's bad coaching.

Last, Shelby is balanced perfectly and he certainly isn't miserable. Rather, he has minimum expectation which this coach will never reach no matter how many raises and extensions he bilks from the university.

He probably has more excuses at the ready than Ol Shelby has hairs on his head.
 
Had the pleasure of meeting Hal Mumme and sitting and chatting with him on a couple of occasions. He and Leach created the air raid offense together. What a great time. Preached simplicity and repetition lead to mastery. And mastery leads to success.
I have always thought the Air Raid would be appropriate to run here.

Recruit to the system and plug and play as depth requires.

It doesn’t require 5-star OL because it’s a lot of 3 and 5 step drops. Lots of teams give up on pressure schemes and routinely play 8 in coverage against it.

And it would aid recruiting QBs and WRs who want to play in a pass-heavy system.

And on defense, as long as the offense is humming, it’ll allow us to play more of our preferred 2-high coverages since the opponent has to “keep up” on the scoreboard.

People say you can’t be pass-happy in the Northeast, but any Eagles fan from the Andy Reid era will tell you it can be done quite successfully.
 
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I have always thought the Air Raid would be appropriate to run here.

Recruit to the system and plug and play as depth requires.

It doesn’t require 5-star OL because it’s a lot of 3 and 5 step drops. Lots of teams give up on pressure schemes and routinely play 8 in coverage against it.

And it would aid recruiting QBs and WRs who want to play in a pass-heavy system.

And on defense, as long as the offense is humming, it’ll allow us to play more of our preferred 2-high coverages since the opponent has to “keep up” on the scoreboard.

People say you can’t be pass-happy in the Northeast, but any Eagles fan from the Andy Reid era will tell you it can be done quite successfully.
Need the right QB for it. We've struggled to find accurate QBs. But is take an undersized guy like dodd any days of the week.
 
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Had the pleasure of meeting Hal Mumme and sitting and chatting with him on a couple of occasions. He and Leach created the air raid offense together. What a great time. Preached simplicity and repetition lead to mastery. And mastery leads to success.

Right out of KC's mind.
KC said this would be "GW's year for mastery."

 
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Need the right QB for it. We've struggled to find accurate QBs. But is take an undersized guy like dodd any days of the week.
Dodd would get to 80% of the playbook, but would be unable to consistently hit the Air Raid’s trademark shot play: 4-verts.

Need an arm to throw that flag/fade on the outside without fear of an INT. Same goes for the other main shot play, Y-cross to the field.

Chris Laviano would have cooked in that system.
 
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Dodd would get to 80% of the playbook, but would be unable to consistently hit the Air Raid’s trademark shot play: 4-verts.

Need an arm to throw that flag/fade on the outside without fear of an INT. Same goes for the other main shot play, Y-cross to the field.

Chris Laviano would have cooked in that system.
Dodd had more than adequate arm strength for anything on the air raid route tree.
 
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I have always thought the Air Raid would be appropriate to run here.

Recruit to the system and plug and play as depth requires.

It doesn’t require 5-star OL because it’s a lot of 3 and 5 step drops. Lots of teams give up on pressure schemes and routinely play 8 in coverage against it.

And it would aid recruiting QBs and WRs who want to play in a pass-heavy system.

And on defense, as long as the offense is humming, it’ll allow us to play more of our preferred 2-high coverages since the opponent has to “keep up” on the scoreboard.

People say you can’t be pass-happy in the Northeast, but any Eagles fan from the Andy Reid era will tell you it can be done quite successfully.
Agreed. As I have said on this forum in the past. Longo wanted to be in NJ. Petitioned for the job multiple times. The way longo runs the system would compliment what Schiano wants to do as well.

What stood out to me with my talks with Mumme is he wanted to run just as much as pass. It’s about getting the ball efficiently to your playmakers in space. Getting the ball out fast because he couldn’t recruit high level linemen that could keep the pocket clean for extended periods of time even at Kentucky.
 
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It's like this Mildy: imagine you make 50th anniversary reservations with your precious old lady at the finest of fine seafood restaurants in the most picturesque location. $1000 pp prix fixe. You both have looked forward to this special occasion for years, spending a big chunk of your Medicare check on this grand plan. You get the idea.

But then your highly anticipated and insanely expensive meal arrives: soggy fish sticks with the chef's hair on it, potato chips from an opened bag and a no-brand catsup packet on a re-used paper plate that just came out of the dishwasher.

How would you feel ? Not merely disappointed I bet. Your first words to your dear wife wouldn't be, "who cares, let's just go to Tim Hortons". You wouldn't make excuses for the restaurant. You wouldn't say, "well, a dollar doesn't go as far as it used to." You'd feel intensely aggravated. You would feel cheated.

He's nothing more than soggy fish sticks on a re-used paper plate. He's what no one takes from the "free stuff" pile on someone's curb that the town dump won't take either. No one else would hire him; no other fan base would allow it. Yet Rutgers took him.

That's how Shelby feels about this HC. Cheated and angry. Negative two point zero is completely unequipped to win consistently in this conference. Shelby expects much better from the football program.

Negative Two Point Zero had a few good years two decades ago only after the top teams left for the ACC. That mass defection isn't happening in this conference to falsely boost his accomplishments this time.

We're all wasting 10 years of our lives at least with no hope for consistent winning or bowls in warm places as RU fans with this HC.

That's how it is. Does that answer your question ?
So much poorly thought out drivel from you. It's beyond tiresome.
 
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Yea the kid had no problem spinning the ball.
I thought Dodd got a raw Deal at RU.
He was BE Offensive Player of the Week in a fill-in start vs UConn in hideous 2010 season.

One of my fav RU plays is Dodd to Sanu vs USF.
Dodd knew he couldn't throw in front of - or to - Sanu since DB was right there - so he threw ball behind Sanu where only he could get it. Pass looks like a bad throw to some but it was more strategically placed. QBs often throw off-target. Sanu was prefect receiver for that pass

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I thought Dodd got a raw Deal at RU.
He was BE Offensive Player of the Week in a fill-in start vs UConn in hideous 2010 season.

One of my fav RU plays is Dodd to Sanu vs USF.
Dodd knew he couldn't throw in front of - or to - Sanu since DB was right there - so he threw ball behind Sanu where only he could get it. Pass looks like a bad throw to some but it was more strategically placed. QBs often throw off-target. Sanu was prefect receiver for that pass

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If AK threw that, you would be on him like a ton of bricks.
 
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…But Rutgers has whiffed BIG TIME in the 2021, 2022 and 2023 classes.

Had Greg not landed the following guys after he was hired for the 2020 class, think of how screwed we'd be...

CB Robert Longerbeam (12/11/19)
CB Max Melton (12/11/19)
LB Tyreem Powell (12/12/19)
RB Kyle Monangai (12/17/19)
DE Wesley Bailey (12/21/19)
DL Rene Konga (7/14/20)
DE Aaron Lewis (7/20/20)
OT Hollin Pierce (walked on)

How many of these guys were Fran Brown recruits?
 
If AK threw that, you would be on him like a ton of bricks.
Not even close.
I've never been one of the guys hung-up on accuracy in isolation
I had a HS QB with 7 years in pros and going to games with him I learned a lot about passing game.
Inaccurate passes are often by design to keep DBs away.
Some passes are a couple feet off and some are seven feet off - the later is the problem
 
Off the top of my head he was lead/primary recruiter for:
Longerbeam
Melton
Powell
Bailey
Konga
Lewis

Were all Fran Brown recruits. And I 'm sure he had something to do with Monangai as well.

My presumption had been after losing Brown. It took Shano some time to get his sea legs back and replace that horsepower. He also needs to reestablish relationships with the high level recruits Brown was on.
 
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