actually it was Uncle Bob who allowed tons of money to be spent on football and his push for stadium expansion.
CVS goes nuclear on the RAC
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Star Ledger should call out Christie for his support of Note Dame and lack of support for Rutgers.
There was a time when I championed this type of stuff. Not anymore. Just so tired of RU sports constantly looking for money. Yes, I get it. You need money to compete with other schools. I am not denying most of her comments are accurate. I guess I have reached that point where I think it's ridiculous to complain that we don't have $50 million to build an arena to play basketball. Anyway, just my opinion. I am sure I am in minority.
Good for Stringer and good for Lesniak. The facilities are an embarrassment and it shows a lack of commitment to the sports programs at Rutgers.
Joining the Big Ten appears to have done nothing to embarrass the so called leaders in Trenton into finding the money to upgrade the facilities.
Leaders lead and these people ( Christie, Guadagno, Prieto,Greenwald and Sweeney) are doing nothing.
Anyone with any pride whatsoever would be working day in and day out to find the money to upgrade the facilities.
But not our friends in Trenton that do nothing.
Joining the Big Ten appears to have done nothing to embarrass the so called leaders in Trenton into finding the money to upgrade the facilities.
Leaders lead and these people ( Christie, Guadagno, Prieto,Greenwald and Sweeney) are doing nothing.
Anyone with any pride whatsoever would be working day in and day out to find the money to upgrade the facilities.
But not our friends in Trenton that do nothing.
Regardless of cost, how much did the State pay for improvements so that the Giants & Jets owners could build a new stadium which is privately owned, while RU is the State University. How much debt did the State force on RU to take over UMDNJ, last I heard it was in the area of $750 million with no money coming from the State.
I pointed this out on the CVS thread on the bb board. Barchi, just put Rutgers in debt for over 500 million dollars with the merger for an asset that some are valuing right now at 50 million. How is that for a subsidy?
So Barchi goes on a massive spending spree for over a half billion dollars, and then decides a Big Ten school can not borrow any money to be competitive in athletics. Remember, the charter for the BIG says the schools will strive to be the best academically and athletically. That is the conference we have joined.
We can't even get leadership from him to help push for a facilities upgrade and get a plan put together so they can go to donors and corporate sponsors for help.
Again, this from a guy who had no issue putting RU in the hole for half a billion, now says RU won't spend any money on athletic facilitiy upgrades for 6 years. How does this reconcile?
Nice coment JPhobeken. But once again many people on this board have no clue.
Barchi was not at RU when the decision was made to merge the Med School into Rutgers. He was President of Jefferson Med School at the time and was brought in to integrate the Med School into the University. He is in over his head as the job is too big for him. He should have been retained as a consultant to integrate the schools, even if we paid him his same salary that he is now receiving. We needed a president that could run a very large and complex university. But, he is not the one that made the decision or the one to put all this debt on RU's books.
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This post was edited on 3/19 9:39 PM by RAA-1
We need someone capable and who believes in running a BIG school. I get he didn't make the original merger decision, but the fact is, he had lots of time on how to do it, and the bottom line is he is the President of the University, and signing up for half a billion in debt would not happen unless he approved it. I have never heard one peep out of him about the enormous debt RU now has due to the merger, but have heard plenty of times how RU can not afford to put any money, borrowed or otherwise, into any facility upgrades for 6 years. Just wrong.
Originally posted by bitnez:
There was a time when I championed this type of stuff. Not anymore. Just so tired of RU sports constantly looking for money. Yes, I get it. You need money to compete with other schools. I am not denying most of her comments are accurate. I guess I have reached that point where I think it's ridiculous to complain that we don't have $50 million to build an arena to play basketball. Anyway, just my opinion. I am sure I am in minority.
This isnt the first time she's said anything about it. What else can she do when the RAC is not filled with fans for a winning program
We don't make money because the RAC isn't filled.
JMO
There was a time when I championed this type of stuff. Not anymore. Just so tired of RU sports constantly looking for money. Yes, I get it. You need money to compete with other schools. I am not denying most of her comments are accurate. I guess I have reached that point where I think it's ridiculous to complain that we don't have $50 million to build an arena to play basketball. Anyway, just my opinion. I am sure I am in minority.
This isnt the first time she's said anything about it. What else can she do when the RAC is not filled with fans for a winning program
We don't make money because the RAC isn't filled.
JMO
You think a medical school is less important than a basketball program?
Also Barchi is retained at the pleasure of the BOG, many of whom are appointed by the governor. Screaming about Barchi is like screaming at the tech in the Philippines about your Comcast bill.
Attendance at schools like UConn, Tennessee, and Ville (where JH had a big hand in WBB) was helped by being the only game in town,
Schiano did have a plan but he also had Greg Brown and a governor, President, and AD willing to jump when he said how high- our governor now spends all his time in Iowa, our President has been ordered to reduce the subsidy by the board appointed by Christie, and our AD is working within that mandate.
I'm not trying to be a smart @$$ when I ask, how the hell else should attention be brought to this besides shaming our sorry donors?
Where did I say a medical school is less important than a basketball program? I am talking about putting us half a billion in debt for it. Was this the best choice? Could we started our own for 300 million? I don't know. Point is, if we can borrow half a billion for that, we can borrow 15 or 20 million for facility upgrades.
If you believe that academics always has priority over athletics, then shouldn't you be pushing for Rutgers to drop sports. Honestly House, I think sometimes you just like to argue.
And suggesting that the president of the University has nothing to do with anything and his leadership means nothing, you can't possibly believe this.
This is a recurring theme here. In your professional life, do you make it a habit to publicly fight a fight you can't win? We have a blueprint for a new facility, she is trying to raise the money, why comment on it when the money isn't there?
Will CVS accept a paycut in order to fund the upgrades?
Better yet, why is she blaming the facilities for the fact that she can't seem to win, in spite of being the highest paid coach at RU? Why can't she beat mid-majors when her teams are stacked with All-Americans?
Clearly it's the RAC that's the problem.
Better yet, why is she blaming the facilities for the fact that she can't seem to win, in spite of being the highest paid coach at RU? Why can't she beat mid-majors when her teams are stacked with All-Americans?
Clearly it's the RAC that's the problem.
Base of 700k. Up to 1m with incentives. Neither KF nor EJ are earning up to 1m, and KF can actually win in the postseason. Thanks for playing.Originally posted by TRU2RU:
CVS makes much less than EJ or KF, stop making up bullsh*t, since once again you do not know what you are talking about as usual
I don't know, but Rutgers doesn't, either - Jordan has a 5-year $6.25 million contract, and Stringer's current contract wouldn't reach that level even if she met all of the incentives.
What a clueless rant. What exactly would you have her do to "help the situation" or "broaden the women's fan base"? I guess having the most successful program at Rutgers isn't enough for you. That should be more than enough, I and most other people could care less if she is "abrasive". If EJ was as successful and abrasive he would become a god around here.
Maybe she should stand at the intersections around the state waiving a sign saying come to our games. Do you think a bake sale or bikini car wash would help the situation or broaden the fan base?
We should be applauding her for leading her somewhat influential voice not trying to tear her down.
CVS is the most successful coach at RU, is a legend in her profession and in the hall of fame. She has her team in the tournament. Again.
When she talks about what other schools have and what it takes to win, she might be qualified to have that position, don't ya think?
When she talks about what other schools have and what it takes to win, she might be qualified to have that position, don't ya think?
Just curious do you donate part of your paycheck to upgrade and remodel the bathrooms at your work? Or when the toilet is leaking do you complain and tell the owner/boss?
If you own your own business feel free to come up with your own analogy.
EJ & KF both have base salaries higher than CVS, thanks for playing troll!!!Originally posted by mal359:
Base of 700k. Up to 1m with incentives. Neither KF nor EJ are earning up to 1m, and KF can actually win in the postseason. Thanks for playing.Originally posted by TRU2RU:
CVS makes much less than EJ or KF, stop making up bullsh*t, since once again you do not know what you are talking about as usual
and sexist.
But in reality, they are mostly just trolls who have escaped being banned or just misinformed.
Let me rephrase...
To sit in my center court seat at the RAC to watch men's hoops 525 gift + 617 face =1142
To sit at 50 yd line 350 gift + 560 face = 910 (forget parking and audi club costs)
To sit center court womans BB 0 gift + ??350?? face? = 350????
Definitely a mismatch. BTW woman's diving coach sent a diver to NCAA tournament this week.
Ooh, you're a fool. Don't throw that word around... I don't support most of these posters' views, but I do not remember reading any racist post.
could it be preventing us to spend more on men's basketball....which could have led to success...which could have led to investment????
I'm a racist because I think it's ridiculous that she gets routinely embarassed by coaches that likely make around half of her salary? Okay.
Is everyone who holds a negative opinion of Obama, Sharpton, Cosby, Rice, James Franklin, et. al. a racist?
Methinks you're trying a bit hard to project some feelings.
This post was edited on 3/20 12:33 PM by mal359
Is everyone who holds a negative opinion of Obama, Sharpton, Cosby, Rice, James Franklin, et. al. a racist?
Methinks you're trying a bit hard to project some feelings.
This post was edited on 3/20 12:33 PM by mal359
I usually don't call people names but its obvious you are a dumb stupid troll make crap up that's not true....who are the coaches she routinely gets embarrassed by
still waiting to here all the midmajor she lost to...idiots like you who try to talk like you know something should return to your basement..dumbass
One of the things I don't see a lot of discussion on is the non-athletic benefits RU would get from having good bball and football teams. This was driven home to me again yesterday. I was reading an article about the scandal at Syracuse and the negative impact on non-athletic stuff. The article was very clear the expectation is that Syracuse applications would drop during the years the school would not be participating in the NCAAs and as the team declines. It was personally also reinforced last month during a trip to Florida State. My daughter has been visiting colleges and visited Florida State. The admissions people told us that the admittance criteria is going up significantly this year. When we asked why, the told us it was because of the national championship in football. Application rates are up double digits increasing the number of high quality students applying and therefore raising the bar for admittance. Now I certainly don't believe they are choosing Florida State because of their football. What I believe is happening is more people become aware of the school as a result of their athletic success, check out the school and eventually apply for admission. I can certainly see this happening at RU. My point is investing in a bball facility or paying more for coaches isn't just about athletics, it is about investing in the Rutgers brand.
Are we actually raising money for improvement?
Last I read AThletic department was raising money for operational expenses (ie: yo can I have a grand to keep the electricity on? You give me cash to reduce the subsidy please - won't make a differ nice to athletes but Barchi ordered me to collect for this)?
I assume anyone who gave to the RAC improvement fund can be proud of the score board, speaker system, and doors?
Where do I give money that goes in th me right direction?
Last I read AThletic department was raising money for operational expenses (ie: yo can I have a grand to keep the electricity on? You give me cash to reduce the subsidy please - won't make a differ nice to athletes but Barchi ordered me to collect for this)?
I assume anyone who gave to the RAC improvement fund can be proud of the score board, speaker system, and doors?
Where do I give money that goes in th me right direction?
Clueless? You are an unmitigated idiot. CVS complaining to the press is a joke. She wants to piss and moan to the media, the same way she pisses and moans every single time the NCAA brackets come out. I understand she runs the most successful program at RU, but that doesn't give her the right to call the school out in the media. Beyond the fact that she works for the school, she is part of the problem, not part of the solution. It would be different if she was doing her part, but she has made it clear throughout her tenure at RU that she has no interest in doing anything besides coaching. She has consistently been not only abrasive, but outright hostile towards doing anything "extra-curricular" that might lend itself to broadening the fan base or increasing donor support. If she is not willing to help the cause,. then she should just shut her mouth and coach.
To be clear on my own point of view: The reason we do not have updated facilities has nothing to do with the current administration. The administration has shown itself willing to spend. The obstacles, however are (1) the highest athletics subsidy in the nation; (2) some of the largest student fees in the nation; (3) the fact that we are among the worst in donor support among pier institutions; (4) the State of New Jersey is the 48th worst state for higher ed spending and hasn't meaningfully increased our budget in something like 20 years; and (5) although RU is "in" the Big Ten, it is not earning any more money, and will remain on a Big East comparable payout for another 5 years.
So no, I am not clueless. CViv should stop complaining and start working toward a fix. Then she can complain some more if she likes. She may be a great coach, but she has never been anything more than that to RU. Lesniak should go to Trenton and ask for meaningful budgetary support if he wants us to "act like we are in the Big Ten" otherwise he should also shut the F up, and be reminded that the last time RU "just borrowed" to build athletics facilities we were absolutely shredded by the State legislature under calls for a State takeover of Rutgers governance amid cries of "out of control athletics spending" which was ultimately quelled only by running Mulcahy out of town. Remember that was for an expansion of a football stadium that actually brings in revenue. Rutgers "fans" should stop piling on the administration, and start looking in the mirror - all of you out there are the reason we don't have nice things.
But idiots like you seem to forget all of that.
