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I'm sure you've seen me mention him multiple times in various threads but since others are starting threads on different names I figure I'll aggregate all his info here. If we didn't make a play for him as HC and hire one of the "cheaper" coaches I really hope we make a play for him as DC or someone like him if we go offensive HC. If the rumors are true of opening the wallet, if not on the head man let's see it on the staff. Do what Clemson did for Dabo with 1M coordinators on each side with Morris/Venables. I really feel we'd be missing out on a great coach like him if we can't get him on staff in some capacity as HC or DC. He makes 500K as Wisconsin's DC right now.

I'd prefer him to Chis Ash who I see mentioned now.

Here are articles posted before but just aggregated now in case anyone missed them.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/...cle_ebdf76fd-c897-504e-9c6a-26cca3bbf2da.html

http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/the-professor-badgers-defensive-coordinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114

http://www.uwbadgers.com/story.aspx?filename=FB_1105150746&file_date=11/5/2015

http://madtownbadgers.com/uncategor...eckbook-and-keep-dave-aranda-in-the-fold.html

 
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rutgersguy1 said:
I'm sure you've seen me mention him multiple times in various threads but since others are starting threads on different names I figure I'll aggregate all his info here. If we didn't make a play for him as HC and hire one of the "cheaper" coaches I really hope we make a play for him as DC or someone like him if we go offensive HC. If the rumors are true of opening the wallet, if not on the head man let's see it on the staff. Do what Clemson did for Dabo with 1M coordinators on each side with Morris/Venables. I really feel we'd be missing out on a great coach like him if we can't get him on staff in some capacity as HC or DC. He makes 500K as Wisconsin's DC right now.

I'd prefer him to Chis Ash who I see mentioned now.

Here are articles posted before but just aggregated now in case anyone missed them.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/...cle_ebdf76fd-c897-504e-9c6a-26cca3bbf2da.html

http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/the-professor-badgers-defensive-coordinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114

http://www.uwbadgers.com/story.aspx?filename=FB_1105150746&file_date=11/5/2015
http://www.uwbadgers.com/story.aspx?filename=FB_1105150746&file_date=11/5/2015
http://madtownbadgers.com/uncategor...eckbook-and-keep-dave-aranda-in-the-fold.html

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We're not getting him as DC so it would have to be bringing him in as an HC hire. Again, if you're going the coordinator route it's not a bad play and probably better than some of the "name" coaches on the list.
 
sodakboy93 said:
We're not getting him as DC so it would have to be bringing him in as an HC hire. Again, if you're going the coordinator route it's not a bad play and probably better than some of the "name" coaches on the list.
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Really his name gets little to no play. I'm guessing it's because maybe his demeanor or what I don't know. So honestly maybe he wouldn't be the best of recruiters I couldn't say but the guy gets the job done with whatever he has and that's the bottom line and what I like. And no matter who comes here it's gonna have to be a guy who does more with less and Aranda does that. He's a soft spoken guy but you know there's an intensity behind it. Very unusual frankly for defensive coaches. Most of them are pretty animated.

I only bring up DC because he just makes 500K at Wisconsin and if we're truly spending money let's see it in the staff if not the HC. Pay a 1M for a great coordinator like this. Do what Clemson did for Dabo. Then I'll believe the attitude has changed even if those big name coach rumors didn't come to fruition. Otherwise, I can't really believe there's been a significant change in attitude.
 
BROTHERSKINNY said:
I always thought the HC got to pick his staff?
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Of course a HC gets to pick their staff, it shouldn't be forced on him but I'd strongly suggest a guy like this or on a lesser scale a Barry Odom. Somehow I don't think a smart HC would turn down a guy like this if he could get him but who knows.
 
I don't think he wants to be a HC. I think he stays at Wisconsin a few more years and then becomes a DC in the NFL. Likes X's and O's too much. Hates dealing with the media.
 
nacorwin said:
I don't think he wants to be a HC. I think he stays at Wisconsin a few more years and then becomes a DC in the NFL. Likes X's and O's too much. Hates dealing with the media.
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Do you think he'd leave for a DC spot if he got a bump in salary to 1M?
 
rutgersguy1 said:
Do you think he'd leave for a DC spot if he got a bump in salary to 1M?
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I don't know. He has been quoted as saying that he and his family like Madison. I would also assume that Wisconsin would match, or at least come close, any salary we offer.
 
nacorwin said:
I don't know. He has been quoted as saying that he and his family like Madison. I would also assume that Wisconsin would match, or at least come close, any salary we offer.
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Yea I've seen that, that's why he stayed when Andersen left but Wisconsin isn't notorious for paying big salaries and that's part of the reason Bielema left. So maybe a bump to 600K or something but I'd be surprised if they would match a 1M salary for a coordinator. At least that's not been their MO in the past.
 
rutgersguy1 said:
I'm sure you've seen me mention him multiple times in various threads but since others are starting threads on different names I figure I'll aggregate all his info here. If we didn't make a play for him as HC and hire one of the "cheaper" coaches I really hope we make a play for him as DC or someone like him if we go offensive HC. If the rumors are true of opening the wallet, if not on the head man let's see it on the staff. Do what Clemson did for Dabo with 1M coordinators on each side with Morris/Venables. I really feel we'd be missing out on a great coach like him if we can't get him on staff in some capacity as HC or DC. He makes 500K as Wisconsin's DC right now.

I'd prefer him to Chis Ash who I see mentioned now.

Here are articles posted before but just aggregated now in case anyone missed them.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/...cle_ebdf76fd-c897-504e-9c6a-26cca3bbf2da.html

http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/the-professor-badgers-defensive-coordinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114

http://www.uwbadgers.com/story.aspx?filename=FB_1105150746&file_date=11/5/2015
http://www.uwbadgers.com/story.aspx?filename=FB_1105150746&file_date=11/5/2015
http://madtownbadgers.com/uncategor...eckbook-and-keep-dave-aranda-in-the-fold.html

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Coaches usually go where there is usually some form of six degrees of separation and money doesn't drive the whole boat. Chemistry is more important which is why you don't see coaches who are absolute strangers to each other coaching together. Some new HC's may hold over some of the previous staff for continuity sake, but they don't generally just bring in guys they have no relationship with.
 
lyndj said:
Coaches usually go where there is usually some form of six degrees of separation and money doesn't drive the whole boat. Chemistry is more important which is why you don't see coaches who are absolute strangers to each other coaching together. Some new HC's may hold over some of the previous staff for continuity sake, but they don't generally just bring in guys they have no relationship with.
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True but he had no prior relationship to Chryst when he decided to stay on and as far as I know had no prior relationship with Andersen when he joined him at Utah State. They stayed together there 1 year before coming to Wisconsin together and Aranda liked Wisconsin so much he decided to stay behind when Andersen left to Oregon State. I think what you say is generally true but there are always exceptions. Friedgen didn't know who Flood was either when he decided to join the staff.
 
NorthNJRUFan said:
Just curious...why do you prefer him to Durkin or Ash?
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Durkin is probably a better recruiter but I've said this before about him his defenses are good but he took over already top notch defenses and worked under a defensive coach at UF. He's also only been a DC for like 3 years total on any level IIRC. The DC prior to Durkin was Dan Quinn at UF he went off to Seattle to be DC and now is HC of the Falcons but he left behind a very good defense for Durkin to takeover. Muschamp is also a defensive minded coach so how much is flowing from him. At Michigan Durkin also took over a very good defense from Mattison who stayed on staff. So both defenses he took over were very good. Credit for maintenance no doubt but how good is he? He's probably good but how good, hard to say when you're just keeping things humming and one of his HC was a top defensive guy himself in Muschamp. He's probably a good recruiter though.

Ash is ok, he looks like he's done a solid job at Wisconsin and OSU. He had a bad year at Arkansas where the defense from the year prior to his arrival and the stats are the same. But it's 1 year so I can't read too much into that.

The reason I like Aranda is because he's improved on what was an already good defense at Wisconsin and he did it with various personnel. When he first got there Wisconsin had bigger bulkier guys on D and he adapted now they have smaller quicker guys on D and no drop in performance. He runs a 3-4 but he's very creative out of it. They don't get the best recruits but they still perform that to me is something we need with any coach. The guy who can get more from less because we're never going to outrecruit our top conference competitors. It's going to have to be done on the back of scheme and coaching acumen. You know in Aranda's time at Wisconsin he's held 17 opponents to 10 points or less the most of any team. Alabama is 2nd. He's been a coordinator at Wisconsin for 3 years, 1 at Utah State where he created a top 15 defense too and coincidentally was the year Andersen won a double digit number of games and then was a DC at Hawaii for a few years before that. I don't think the stats there were as good but he made up for it with having a D that was creating quite bit of TOs.

Honestly, if you like recruiting I can't say he'll be all that good. Maybe maybe not, don't know. But recruiting is what? A means to an end. The end is getting your players to perform and he's getting his to do so, so that's what really counts to me. I don't want a Brady Hoke who recruits and can't do squat with it. Ideally, you'd like both but it's hard to find it all in 1 package.

So the main thing is I like coaches who do more with less through coaching acumen and scheme, etc... The ones who do that are the ones we need to look at both on offense and defense. We're never going to get as much talent as many of our conference mates so we need to make up for it.
 
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I've posted these stats before but here they are again for Wisconsin under Aranda. Wisconsin was in the teens to 30s I think in the years prior to Aranda he made them even better.

Year total scoring
2013 #7 #6
2014 #4 #17
2015 #3 #1

Also his one year at Utah State and the year before he got there, he was there in 2012 you see again the difference he made

Year total scoring
2012 #14 #7

prior to Aranda
2011 #50 #68
 
I would prefer Aranda over Durkin and Ash. He has just done more with less. Durkin and Ash are supposed to be better recruiters but how hard is it really to recruit at Ohio St. with Meyer closing in Ash's case. Or with Durkin recruiting at Florida and at Michigan really these schools recruit themselves. What we need right now is an innovative young head coach. Aranda fits that bill save money on his contract and give him a boat load to hire a competent offensive staff. He will definitely turn this defense around in one year and if he can find a good OC his staff will be complete.
 
koleszar said:
I would prefer Aranda over Durkin and Ash. He has just done more with less. Durkin and Ash are supposed to be better recruiters but how hard is it really to recruit at Ohio St. with Meyer closing in Ash's case. Or with Durkin recruiting at Florida and at Michigan really these schools recruit themselves. What we need right now is an innovative young head coach. Aranda fits that bill save money on his contract and give him a boat load to hire a competent offensive staff. He will definitely turn this defense around in one year and if he can find a good OC his staff will be complete.
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That's my thinking and I posted the stats just now of his Wisconsin and Utah State days. I'd love him on staff even if not HC but that would be based on rumors that we're really opening the wallet. If not on the HC, let's see the manifestation of the money in the staff then. Otherwise all those rumors from yesterday about that were pretty much BS. It doesn't have to be the HC, it can show up in other forms.
 
rutgersguy1 said:
Durkin is probably a better recruiter but I've said this before about him his defenses are good but he took over already top notch defenses and worked under a defensive coach at UF. He's also only been a DC for like 3 years total on any level IIRC. The DC prior to Durkin was Dan Quinn at UF he went off to Seattle to be DC and now is HC of the Falcons but he left behind a very good defense for Durkin to takeover. Muschamp is also a defensive minded coach so how much is flowing from him. At Michigan Durkin also took over a very good defense from Mattison who stayed on staff. So both defenses he took over were very good. Credit for maintenance no doubt but how good is he? He's probably good but how good, hard to say when you're just keeping things humming and one of his HC was a top defensive guy himself in Muschamp. He's probably a good recruiter though.

Ash is ok, he looks like he's done a solid job at Wisconsin and OSU. He had a bad year at Arkansas where the defense from the year prior to his arrival and the stats are the same. But it's 1 year so I can't read too much into that.

The reason I like Aranda is because he's improved on what was an already good defense at Wisconsin and he did it with various personnel. When he first got there Wisconsin had bigger bulkier guys on D and he adapted now they have smaller quicker guys on D and no drop in performance. He runs a 3-4 but he's very creative out of it. They don't get the best recruits but they still perform that to me is something we need with any coach. The guy who can get more from less because we're never going to outrecruit our top conference competitors. It's going to have to be done on the back of scheme and coaching acumen. You know in Aranda's time at Wisconsin he's held 17 opponents to 10 points or less the most of any team. Alabama is 2nd. He's been a coordinator at Wisconsin for 3 years, 1 at Utah State where he created a top 15 defense too and coincidentally was the year Andersen won a double digit number of games and then was a DC at Hawaii for a few years before that. I don't think the stats there were as good but he made up for it with having a D that was creating quite bit of TOs.

Honestly, if you like recruiting I can't say he'll be all that good. Maybe maybe not, don't know. But recruiting is what? A means to an end. The end is getting your players to perform and he's getting his to do so, so that's what really counts to me. I don't want a Brady Hoke who recruits and can't do squat with it. Ideally, you'd like both but it's hard to find it all in 1 package.

So the main thing is I like coaches who do more with less through coaching acumen and scheme, etc... The ones who do that are the ones we need to look at both on offense and defense. We're never going to get as much talent as many of our conference mates so we need to make up for it.
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But is he a better head coach candidate?
 
PaKnight said:
But is he a better head coach candidate?
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That's hard to know for sure. It's not like I get to interview him, lol. I think you could say that about Durkin or Ash too. What makes them any better or Muschamp when he got hired. You never really know that until they get hired and you can see what they can do.
 
Does the B-10 have a conference rule precluding the hiring away of a coach under contract by another member school for what is a lateral move i.e. DC to DC?
 
PaKnight said:
But is he a better head coach candidate?
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That's the question with a coordinator hire it's really a crap shoot. The one thing I can say about Aranda is if you watch his defenses he gets all three levels to play as one. They all work in conjunction with one another to make the whole greater than the some of all parts. Where as I know it's a poor analogy RU couldn't even get it's linebackers to work with the Dline. This shows he has the organizational skills to get everyone on the same page. Now I know it's just defense but it does bode well that he has the necessary skills to do it on a bigger stage. His defenses are not dominant because of individual talent rather his organizational and innovative skills. Where as in the case of Durkin and Ash I'm not sure if it's just superior talent. As they have always had that superior edge.
 
ponyfoot19 said:
Does the B-10 have a conference rule precluding the hiring away of a coach under contract by another member school for what is a lateral move i.e. DC to DC?
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It's not a player transfer haha. I don't know but it would be strange to me if they did.
 
ponyfoot19 said:
Does the B-10 have a conference rule precluding the hiring away of a coach under contract by another member school for what is a lateral move i.e. DC to DC?
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Obviously not because Maryland is hiring a michigan asst for its head coaching job.
 
Ajwich said:
Obviously not because Maryland is hiring a michigan asst for its head coaching job.
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He was talking about lateral move DC to DC but I'd be surprised if it did. This isn't player transfers.

As far as the NFL thing, that's possible but compared to college HC job? Don't know. GB did approach him for a position coach job but he didn't get it. Also if you paid him as 1M DC would he leave?
 
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Why the hell would he leave a great football school like Wisconsin in order to go to Rutgers?

He's more likely/qualified to be your head coach than your DC.
 
Hawks!!! said:
Why the hell would he leave a great football school like Wisconsin in order to go to Rutgers?

He's more likely/qualified to be your head coach than your DC.
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Of course duh, I'd want him as HC but I was mentioning DC if rumors of the amount of money we were willing to spend were true. Would Wisconsin pay him 1M to be DC? They don't have a history of that and coaching salaries were rumored to be part of the reason Bielema left.
 
Hawks!!! said:
Why the hell would he leave a great football school like Wisconsin in order to go to Rutgers?

He's more likely/qualified to be your head coach than your DC.
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Ummmm. I think that's what we were talking about. I also think he's qualified to be a head coach.
 
Well you know I think it's a very good hire for LSU. I wonder what salary they're paying him. I have to think it must be in the 1M range like I was mentioning above. I didn't think Wisconsin would pay him because they don't have a history of really opening the vault. Too bad the rumors of us opening up the vault didn't pan out. He made nice improvements both at Utah State and Wisconsin during his time there it'll interesting to see how he does now in the "mighty" SEC. I think this will be his last stop before a college head coaching job or possibly NFL DC job if he's successful at LSU.
 
He was given a three year contract, $1.3mil the first year and increasing each year. Only LSU assistant whose contract is not tied to the head coaches. Huge money. Something like 50% more than the highest paid Big Ten assistant and with multiyear guarantees.
 
nacorwin said:
He was given a three year contract, $1.3mil the first year and increasing each year. Only LSU assistant whose contract is not tied to the head coaches. Huge money. Something like 50% more than the highest paid Big Ten assistant and with multiyear guarantees.
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Head coach in waiting perhaps. FSU and WVU did the same kind of moves.
 
koleszar said:
Head coach in waiting perhaps. FSU and WVU did the same kind of moves.
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I'd be kind of surprised if that's the case but as I said if successful again at LSU like he was at his other stops to me this is his last step before HC in college or DC in the NFL.
 
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