Delbarton Football Schedule

[vkj91]

Doesn't anyone have a child that takes the bus? My kids are on the bus for 50 minutes in the morning and the school is 3 miles away. How is that different than a kid taking a train everyday?

Because they are butt hurt. I truly don't get all the angst over the Parochials. If I was a kid from Ridgewood I'd want to play one of those teams every year. They can sit in their dorm at Colby and tell their buddies they got to play against all these kids they are watching on TV. So what if you lose 50-0 most years. Doesn't keep you from making the playoffs or winning a State Title.

 

[JoeRU0304]

IMHO, parochial or private schools (who can pick and choose their students and can draw players from a wide geographic area) should not be in the same league as public schools (who must draw solely from their district). The publics are at a significant competitive disadvantage.

When it comes to Delbarton, I completely disagree with Rutgersdiehard1 that Delbarton is somehow different than Don Bosco Prep, St. Joes, Bergen Catholic, DePaul, Paramus Catholic. Delbarton is every bit as much of an "athletic powerhouse" as those other schools and is at no competitive disadvantage. I'm very familiar with Don Bosco Prep, Bergen Catholic, St. Joes and Paramus Catholic, and the vast majority of the students at those schools come from nearby towns. Do some kids come from farther away to play? Sure. But that's due to the football reputation these schools have achieved over the years and the desire of kids to want to play at the best school at the highest level, to further their college football ambitions. And if they want to, and are willing to put up with the commute, why not? Kids gravitate to Delbarton for the same reason.

His comment that those schools "recruit kids from all over to play for their football team, while being held under no academic standard", is uninformed and disrespectful. Academically, those are all very well respected schools. Do they want to win, sure. But they are no more likely to give a football player a "free pass" academically than is Delbarton.

Lastly, his comment that Delbarton "prefers artists over athletes", is just laughable. The many athletic championships Delbarton has won would seem to indicate otherwise.

Good post. For years publics and privates coexisted without major issue (there were definitely some imbalances and you had strong parochial programs, but for the most part they were still 'human' and not 600 levels above the better public programs like they are now). It wasnt considered a UFO sighting if say BC, SPP or DBP lost to a public school. However, in the early 2000's a handful of the parochials seem to go 'all in' on football, which started to put any type of talent gap into hyperdrive, where the advantages that the parochials had in regards to sports becoming even further pronounced.

...on some levels it's great, especially for the opportunity it affords kids who may not otherwise have had them. On the flipside, remember all of the complaints about the 'seedy underbelly' of major college sports and how these kids are 'treated like commodities' and 'taken advantage of'? Well, we're starting to see that happen now at the HS level/ at even younger ages. How far is this going to go? What happens to the kid who doesnt end up being the next Minkah Fitzpatrick? I do give schools like SHP, SPP, SJR, DBP and Delby credit; they never forgot the 'school' part of their name.


Joe P.

 

[kupuna133]

Wondering your guys take on the Delbarton football schedule. Forced to play some teams they don't feel like they should have to. Interesting discussion, as its in state.

Dear friends with 2 alumni that are class reps and their father who is on the Delbarton board. We had a discussion regarding this when it was first in the paper. The class reps and the board were against the Head Master and the AD making this announcement and creating this publicity. They were in agreement that Delbarton does not recruit to the level of the other parochials but does in fact recruit.

Delbarton does have students commuting from great distances and attending for both academic and athletic advantages. Their lacrosse and ice hockey team are notorious for recruiting the top talent from as far south as Red Bank and as far North as the NY/NJ border. Is it fair that Delbarton had such a long unbeaten streak in NJ hockey? Hockey is also a contact sport and people can face the same type of injury in that sport. Why weren't the Head Master and AD upset with that unfair playing field?

 

[knightfan7]

IMHO, parochial or private schools (who can pick and choose their students and can draw players from a wide geographic area) should not be in the same league as public schools (who must draw solely from their district). The publics are at a significant competitive disadvantage.

When it comes to Delbarton, I completely disagree with Rutgersdiehard1 that Delbarton is somehow different than Don Bosco Prep, St. Joes, Bergen Catholic, DePaul, Paramus Catholic. Delbarton is every bit as much of an "athletic powerhouse" as those other schools and is at no competitive disadvantage. I'm very familiar with Don Bosco Prep, Bergen Catholic, St. Joes and Paramus Catholic, and the vast majority of the students at those schools come from nearby towns. Do some kids come from farther away to play? Sure. But that's due to the football reputation these schools have achieved over the years and the desire of kids to want to play at the best school at the highest level, to further their college football ambitions. And if they want to, and are willing to put up with the commute, why not? Kids gravitate to Delbarton for the same reason.

His comment that those schools "recruit kids from all over to play for their football team, while being held under no academic standard", is uninformed and disrespectful. Academically, those are all very well respected schools. Do they want to win, sure. But they are no more likely to give a football player a "free pass" academically than is Delbarton.

Lastly, his comment that Delbarton "prefers artists over athletes", is just laughable. The many athletic championships Delbarton has won would seem to indicate otherwise.

I'm going to turn 180 and defend Delbarton here. It's a very difficult school to get into if you're not a legacy which at one time was a deciding factor. Don't know if it still is. They do put a lot of stock into the applicants outside activities. The Arts are one such measurement. So is community service and so is athletics. The ratio of applicants vs acceptances was around 4:1 years ago. I can only imagine it's even more difficult these days.

 

[vkj91]

Good post. For years publics and privates coexisted without major issue (there were definitely some imbalances and you had strong parochial programs, but for the most part they were still 'human' and not 600 levels above the better public programs like they are now). It wasnt considered a UFO sighting if say BC, SPP or DBP lost to a public school. However, in the early 2000's a handful of the parochials seem to go 'all in' on football, which started to put any type of talent gap into hyperdrive, where the advantages that the parochials had in regards to sports becoming even further pronounced.

...on some levels it's great, especially for the opportunity it affords kids who may not otherwise have had them. On the flipside, remember all of the complaints about the 'seedy underbelly' of major college sports and how these kids are 'treated like commodities' and 'taken advantage of'? Well, we're starting to see that happen now at the HS level/ at even younger ages. How far is this going to go? What happens to the kid who doesnt end up being the next Minkah Fitzpatrick? I do give schools like SHP, SPP, SJR, DBP and Delby credit; they never forgot the 'school' part of their name.


Joe P.

What was the driving force that caused these schools to become 600 levels above the public programs? It was the unintended consequences of the initial split by the publics. They forced the Parochials to go out and play OOS games which ended up getting televised and started the whole unraveling.

 

[Local Shill]

Doesn't anyone have a child that takes the bus? My kids are on the bus for 50 minutes in the morning and the school is 3 miles away. How is that different than a kid taking a train everyday?

You serious? Don't you have to get to the train station from your residence and then get from the train station to the school after it arrives? Don't buses drop you off either in front of your house or down the street? See the difference.

 

[JoeRU0304]

Because they are butt hurt. I truly don't get all the angst over the Parochials. If I was a kid from Ridgewood I'd want to play one of those teams every year. They can sit in their dorm at Colby and tell their buddies they got to play against all these kids they are watching on TV. So what if you lose 50-0 most years. Doesn't keep you from making the playoffs or winning a State Title.

I can agree with your point regarding the over-the-top venom/angst towards parochials in general, though I do think it's similar to those who were mocking a number of the public schools for basically calling out the obvious issues regarding catchment area, recruiting issues, etc.


Joe P.

 

[JoeRU0304]

What was the driving force that caused these schools to become 600 levels above the public programs? It was the unintended consequences of the initial split by the publics. They forced the Parochials to go out and play OOS games which ended up getting televised and started the whole unraveling.

IMO it was starting before that. The initial hard split happened in 2009. This began around 2001 (look at scores). IMO the initial 'game changing' event was DBP hiring Toal. Within 5 years Toal took DBP from an 'up and down but on the rise' program to an annual state title condender, and from there he totally changed the game as DBP took it to another level and became a national power. The other North Jersey parochials were starting to get left behind and thus followed suit. The '09 split might have turned it up to 11 like in Spinal Tap, but it was already at an 8 before that.


Joe P.

 

[BRKnightsFan]

I'm going to turn 180 and defend Delbarton here. It's a very difficult school to get into if you're not a legacy which at one time was a deciding factor. Don't know if it still is. They do put a lot of stock into the applicants outside activities. The Arts are one such measurement. So is community service and so is athletics. The ratio of applicants vs acceptances was around 4:1 years ago. I can only imagine it's even more difficult these days.

I was not in any way asserting that Delbarton is not a very fine school. It is, as are the other schools that Rutgersdiehard1 slammed for allegedly not holding their players to academic standards. My point was that Delbarton is at no competitive disadvantage to those other schools and is every bit as much an "athletic powerhouse".

 

[knightfan7]

You serious? Don't you have to get to the train station from your residence and then get from the train station to the school after it arrives? Don't buses drop you off either in front of your house or down the street? See the difference.

My son had to walk about a half mile to get the 6:30am bus to PJ. They had pick up locations rather than at or near your house. Did that for 3 1/2 years till I bought him a junk car on his 18th birthday so he could drive. Lasted a little more than a month before he smashed it up and finished his HS career back on the bus lol.

 

[rufamily]

So your insulting your own family? Also Delby is mostly morris county. Got some buddies who have kids there who say furthest he knows is northern bergen county about 1 hour away. This school prefers artists over athletes, I think we can agree on that.

You're kidding right? so its ok for them to crush public school teams in Soccer, Hockey and Lacrosse but not fair when they have to go up against other private schools in football? really? The fact that you don't think they recruit is a joke. Their lacrosse program is populated by kids who play Patriot lacrosse which is run by... you guessed it their head lacrosse coach. If you do not like it then go and leave the NJSIAA all together and play an independent schedule in all sports. The belief that it is mostly Morris county is also false as a good number of Somerset and Union county (especially Summit) kids also attend Delby. I am fine with them leaving this conference but, I think that member schools in every other sport should be asked to leave that conference as well. Delbarton should not get to play by their own set of rules they should be forced to play the teams within the conference they were assigned or leave the NJSIAA.

 

[rufamily]

I'm going to turn 180 and defend Delbarton here. It's a very difficult school to get into if you're not a legacy which at one time was a deciding factor. Don't know if it still is. They do put a lot of stock into the applicants outside activities. The Arts are one such measurement. So is community service and so is athletics. The ratio of applicants vs acceptances was around 4:1 years ago. I can only imagine it's even more difficult these days.

not that hard as I know of a 7th grader who was approached by a person within the Delby community about going there and when asked about entrance they did not think it would be an issue. The kid is probably the best or one of the top two kids at his position in his grade

 

[knightfan7]

not that hard as I know of a 7th grader who was approached by a person within the Delby community about going there and when asked about entrance they did not think it would be an issue. The kid is probably the best or one of the top two kids at his position in his grade

Of course when recruiting is involved there will be exceptions. I was speaking more about the general student population.

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

Delbarton speaking out in the paper about their Football schedule was really laughable. As many have mentioned they are a power house in multiple sports and recruit from all over in those sports.
And the "over matched" Football team outscored the 7 public schools last year 260-75(about a 37-10 average). Yet they are worried about getting manhandled by the BC,DBP etc.
Too Funny!!!

 

[ruhudsonfan]

You are blowing a lot of smoke here. Wimbush and Fitzpatrick are the wrong examples to use. Both are elite athletes that would have been targets of the top programs regardless of where they played their ball. Isn't there a QB at Old Bridge HS right now, not nearly as elite an athlete, who will end up as a Florida Gator? And the kid probably has a normal life going on, including hanging with and playing alongside life-long friends and giving back to the community. And without pissing away multiple hours a day commuting.

Its not a matter of being a "target." It's a matter of showing up in Tuscaloosa and stepping on the field for a defense that has about 25 draft picks walking around and starting in week 1.

If you think he gets that level of coaching and training in Old Bridge, you're stoned.

These kids goals are not "to get noticed." They are to go to Top 25 programs and excel.

 

[Bagarocks]

Got the same thing going on in Sussex County with Pope John. It was all well and good when they were running rough shod over the teams in the o'l SCIL. With Sparta giving them comp some years and beating them once in the blue.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and they are crying the BLUES just like Barty.

 

[vkj91]

I can agree with your point regarding the over-the-top venom/angst towards parochials in general, though I do think it's similar to those who were mocking a number of the public schools for basically calling out the obvious issues regarding catchment area, recruiting issues, etc.


Joe P.

I agree Delbarton has no right to bitch as a singuaklr school. However, the State does the medium sized Parochials a disservice by lumping them all together.

 

[Local Shill]

Its not a matter of being a "target." It's a matter of showing up in Tuscaloosa and stepping on the field for a defense that has about 25 draft picks walking around and starting in week 1.

If you think he gets that level of coaching and training in Old Bridge, you're stoned.

These kids goals are not "to get noticed." They are to go to Top 25 programs and excel.

Do you even know anything about the coaching staff or players at the school you've again chosen to pile on? What a DB comment.

As for the local hero, he could have played in front of his family and friends and helped turn the school 10 miles up the road from where grew up into a top 25 program.

But that was never a real consideration. It was all about a factory and the biggest name.
Thank goodness Anthony Davis and Mo Sanu didn't have your smug attitude.

 

[G- RUnit]

I agree Delbarton has no right to bitch as a singuaklr school. However, the State does the medium sized Parochials a disservice by lumping them all together.

Zzzzzz. They dont complain when lumped together and winning county championships.

 

[bitnez]

Do you even know anything about the coaching staff or players at the school you've again chosen to pile on? What a DB comment.

As for the local hero, he could have played in front of his family and friends and helped turn the school 10 miles up the road from where grew up into a top 25 program.

But that was never a real consideration. It was all about a factory and the biggest name.
Thank goodness Anthony Davis and Mo Sanu didn't have your smug attitude.

Everyone appreciates that you are not a fan of the parochial schools but you make some of the most ridiculous comments. What HS kid's family doesn't go to see him play? As for friends, I guess you believe that you can only be friends with kids you knew when you were 8-12 years old. No one meets new friends in HS or college, etc.

We get it -- you are a big proponent of the public schools and believe that the parochial schools are filled with (a) rich spoiled kids and (b) poor kids who are only going there because of sports. What I can't wrap my head around is why do you care? Every family does what it believes is best for the kid.

BTW, I presume you are not a proponent of magnet schools, correct? By your logic there is no reason for an extremely high educational performer to go to a school that will offer him/her a more challenging educational experience when they can simply go to the local public school.

 

[Local Shill]

Everyone appreciates that you are not a fan of the parochial schools but you make some of the most ridiculous comments. What HS kid's family doesn't go to see him play? As for friends, I guess you believe that you can only be friends with kids you knew when you were 8-12 years old. No one meets new friends in HS or college, etc.

We get it -- you are a big proponent of the public schools and believe that the parochial schools are filled with (a) rich spoiled kids and (b) poor kids who are only going there because of sports. What I can't wrap my head around is why do you care? Every family does what it believes is best for the kid.

BTW, I presume you are not a proponent of magnet schools, correct? By your logic there is no reason for an extremely high educational performer to go to a school that will offer him/her a more challenging educational experience when they can simply go to the local public school.

I was talking about MF going to Tuscaloosa, not his choice of high school. I thought maybe that should have bene obvious when I referenced AD and Sanu and a school 10 miles up the road, but I guess not.

Anyway, I doubt the whole extended Fitzpatrick family is trekking to the deep South every weekend in the fall.

I didn't even offer a single comment on all the other stuff you rambled on about.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Do you even know anything about the coaching staff or players at the school you've again chosen to pile on? What a DB comment.

As for the local hero, he could have played in front of his family and friends and helped turn the school 10 miles up the road from where grew up into a top 25 program.

But that was never a real consideration. It was all about a factory and the biggest name.
Thank goodness Anthony Davis and Mo Sanu didn't have your smug attitude.

I know enough about them and what any public school requires of their players vs. Toal or Hansen and what they require of their players, that it isn't close. The training isn't close. The environment's aren't close.

Any parent who let a 5 star recruit commit to Flood should have been investigated by DYFS.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I was talking about MF going to Tuscaloosa, not his choice of high school. I doubt the whole extended Fitzpatrick family is trekking to the deep South every weekend in the fall.

Well, we can add this to what you are wrong about.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Everyone appreciates that you are not a fan of the parochial schools but you make some of the most ridiculous comments. What HS kid's family doesn't go to see him play? As for friends, I guess you believe that you can only be friends with kids you knew when you were 8-12 years old. No one meets new friends in HS or college, etc.

We get it -- you are a big proponent of the public schools and believe that the parochial schools are filled with (a) rich spoiled kids and (b) poor kids who are only going there because of sports. What I can't wrap my head around is why do you care? Every family does what it believes is best for the kid.

BTW, I presume you are not a proponent of magnet schools, correct? By your logic there is no reason for an extremely high educational performer to go to a school that will offer him/her a more challenging educational experience when they can simply go to the local public school.

Exactly.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Do you even know anything about the coaching staff or players at the school you've again chosen to pile on? What a DB comment.

As for the local hero, he could have played in front of his family and friends and helped turn the school 10 miles up the road from where grew up into a top 25 program.

But that was never a real consideration. It was all about a factory and the biggest name.
Thank goodness Anthony Davis and Mo Sanu didn't have your smug attitude.

Why does any kid owe any institution anything?

Pollack committed to Elmer Fludd, held firm, and when Ash showed up one of the first courses of business was to tell him he'll never play here and he should look elsewhere.

Why on earth should a kid take a shot on a school? Especially when the kid is an honors student, has their head screwed on straight, has prototypical body, size and speed and can go anywhere he wants?

Why do you think Old Bridge High owns the rights to Minkah Fitzpatrick? Why does a middle aged guy give a f@ck where a 14 year old decides to go to high school?

If you knew what Minkah and his family did, post Hurricane Sandy to CONTINUE to go to SPP, you would find the nearest train and step in front of it.

 

[Local Shill]

Well, we can add this to what you are wrong about.

Yeah, it momentarily slipped my my mind that we're talking about Alabama boosters here. I'm sure it's all bought and paid for to send 20 friends and relatives to Oxford this weekend. Mea culpa.

 

[e5fdny]

BTW, I presume you are not a proponent of magnet schools, correct? By your logic there is no reason for an extremely high educational performer to go to a school that will offer him/her a more challenging educational experience when they can simply go to the local public school.

In Monmouth County you still play for your sending district school.

So it's not "exactly".

 

[Local Shill]

Why does any kid owe any institution anything?

Pollack committed to Elmer Fludd, held firm, and when Ash showed up one of the first courses of business was to tell him he'll never play here and he should look elsewhere.

Why on earth should a kid take a shot on a school? Especially when the kid is an honors student, has their head screwed on straight, has prototypical body, size and speed and can go anywhere he wants?

Why do you think Old Bridge High owns the rights to Minkah Fitzpatrick? Why does a middle aged guy give a f@ck where a 14 year old decides to go to high school?

If you knew what Minkah and his family did, post Hurricane Sandy to CONTINUE to go to SPP, you would find the nearest train and step in front of it.

For the third time, I'm talking about the choice to go to Alabama, not the student-athlete's choice of high school. Read my post properly and get it through your thick skull.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

For the third time, I'm talking about the choice to go to Alabama, not the student-athlete's choice of high school. Read my post properly and get it through your thick skull.

And I answered that as well.

If I was the parent of a 5 star recruit, who had the ability to walk in off the street and start for 'Bama, I allowed him to sign with Kyle Flood, I should be sterilize and imprisoned.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

In Monmouth County you still play for your sending district school.

So it's not "exactly".

Depends. In our district, you can also play for the school you attend

If my son were to go to Freehold Boro, he could play for them or my home district.

 

[Local Shill]

Hudson, for the third time, I'm talking about the choice to go to Alabama, not the student-athlete's choice of high school. My interest is college football.

And as for the whole "honors student" bit - if education was that important why isn't he at Stanford or Vanderbilt or Duke? Spare me. Just admit it was about going to the biggest, richest football program possible and we can end this.

Read my post properly and get it through your thick skull.

 

[e5fdny]

Depends. In our district, you can also play for the school you attend

If my son were to go to Freehold Boro, he could play for them or my home district.

Not if he goes to a Monmouth County Vocational Academy (which I believe @bitnez was referring to) ....BioTech, HiTech, Allied, etc

Goes to one of them he plays for Boro.

 

[knightfan7]

Got the same thing going on in Sussex County with Pope John. It was all well and good when they were running rough shod over the teams in the o'l SCIL. With Sparta giving them comp some years and beating them once in the blue.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and they are crying the BLUES just like Barty.

Yup that's true but in all fairness they never recruited in the past in the sense we're talking about the big time parochial schools. I wonder about now with all the 6-8 - 6-10 basketball players showing up. If you look at their most recent fairly well known football kids they come from areas that most of the general student population come from. Brown and Harper from Mt Olive, Izzo from Vernon, and Abramson from Chester. Were they or anyone else recruited? Don't know but they were "local" kids.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Not if he goes to a Monmouth County Vocational Academy (which I believe @bitnez was referring to) ....BioTech, HiTech, Allied, etc

Goes to one of them he plays for Boro.

I missed the magnet part. You're correct

 

[JoeRU0304]

IIRC if you go to a 'magnet' school (one of the techs, etc) and they have sports, you can either play for your home district or your school. You can possibly play for both only if one school offers a sport the other doesn't. You cannot say play football for Passaic Tech and then wrestle for Clifton. Once you declare, that's your 'declaration' I believe for the year. I'm not sure if you can 'change' it in later years.


Joe P.

 

[bitnez]

Not if he goes to a Monmouth County Vocational Academy (which I believe @bitnez was referring to) ....BioTech, HiTech, Allied, etc

Goes to one of them he plays for Boro.

I raised the magnet school issue to make analogy. No one begrudges a non-athletic student who attends a magnet school in order to get the best possible academic education. Yet, when it comes to HS sports some people get very upset when kids leave their home town to go play somewhere else (usually parochial) because the kids believe it will be more beneficial athletically. Of course, it is rare that the education received at the parochial school is not at least as good as the local public.

 

[e5fdny]

I raised the magnet school issue to make analogy. No one begrudges a non-athletic student who attends a magnet school in order to get the best possible academic education. Yet, when it comes to HS sports some people get very upset when kids leave their home town to go play somewhere else (usually parochial) because the kids believe it will be more beneficial athletically. Of course, it is rare that the education received at the parochial school is not at least as good as the local public.

I was only speaking to @ruhudsonfan about this as it pertains to Monmouth County since the both of us live there.

As it is now since none of those types of schools offer much in the way of extracurricular's you raised a good example. You are right nobody complains when it's done for pure academic reasons.

 

[RU-ROCS]

Delbarton does have students commuting from great distances and attending for both academic and athletic advantages. Their lacrosse and ice hockey team are notorious for recruiting the top talent from as far south as Red Bank and as far North as the NY/NJ border. Is it fair that Delbarton had such a long unbeaten streak in NJ hockey? Hockey is also a contact sport and people can face the same type of injury in that sport. Why weren't the Head Master and AD upset with that unfair playing field?

Don't forget soccer. I know, first-hand that they actively recruit for soccer in Morris and Somerset County.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Its not a matter of being a "target." It's a matter of showing up in Tuscaloosa and stepping on the field for a defense that has about 25 draft picks walking around and starting in week 1.

If you think he gets that level of coaching and training in Old Bridge, you're stoned.

These kids goals are not "to get noticed." They are to go to Top 25 programs and excel.

You are star struck. Going to SPP & Alabama is not the end of the world. MF would be a star and playing for a top program no matter where he went to high school. Years ago, Drew Pearson and Joe Theisman played at tiny South River HS. It will take a lot for MF to exceed their accomplishments.

 

[G- RUnit]

Don't forget soccer. I know, first-hand that they actively recruit for soccer in Morris and Somerset County.

Wrestling too.