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Do any of you know Maureen Casey ? RE. Black Lot

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Apparently,she is a longtime 30 years) fan who was moved to the Black Lot and is not happy about it on Rutgers Facebook. I don't Facebook,but if anyone knows her,she could just park at the church for less money and be only a few minutes from the stadium---https://www.facebook.com/RutgersAthletics
 
She wants a free lunch:

Black lot really far away from all my friends

No it's because I can't donate more money I was in purple last year that was bad enough. It's all a point system now!
 
If she's a 30 year season ticket holder, as she claims, and she got bumped to the black lot then it means that she's donating precisely zero.

It's hard to have any amount of sympathy for somebody who complains about that.
 
Let me add some clarity to that last comment.

If she really is a 30 year season ticket holder and she has 2 tickets, that's 32 priority points right there.

She has to donate $100 dollars to get into the black lot, so that's 33 priority points.

The minimum donation for the purple lot is $250, so that would have given her 34.5 points.

This assumes that she has absolutely no other points from lifetime giving whatsoever.

The cutoff for the Purple lot this year was 34 points.

So she's either a liar or she's an idiot.
 
I understand exactly what she is saying. My Dad started taking me to Rutgers games in 1976. For years and years in the 80's , 90's, and early 2,000's, I sat dead center for basketball and very low near the 50 yard line for football. As the years went on,though, I had to move my seats farther and farther away--they aren't bad now,but they aren't as good. As for parking, I haven't paid for parking since the late 80's. My walk for basketball is not bad,but I walk about 25 minutes for football. At some stage in the future, I just won't be able to handle a walk that far. Not sure what I would do at that point. I guess the difference between me and this woman is that I knew this was coming years ago,because I lived in the South for a while and had season tickets for some SEC and ACC schools while I was down there. At schools like that, prices were years ahead of what Rutgers was charging back then. What we have done the past decade is catch up to many other schools' costs. Do I miss tickets for $8 and $2 parking--sure. Would I trade games like Louisville (football), Michigan (football), and Wisconsin (basketball) for the old days with Colgate,Richmond,Lehigh,Maine,etc.--no way.
 
Let me add some clarity to that last comment.

If she really is a 30 year season ticket holder and she has 2 tickets, that's 32 priority points right there.

She has to donate $100 dollars to get into the black lot, so that's 33 priority points.

The minimum donation for the purple lot is $250, so that would have given her 34.5 points.

This assumes that she has absolutely no other points from lifetime giving whatsoever.

The cutoff for the Purple lot this year was 34 points.

So she's either a liar or she's an idiot.

I think the only possible argument in her favor is that she possessed two tickets for thirty years. If that's the case, it seems far more fair that a person who purchased two tickets for thirty years should get 2 x 30 = 60 points rather than 1 x 30= 30 points. Whole system in effect punishes the longest and most loyal who bought more than a single ticket. Food for thought.
 
Let me add some clarity to that last comment.

If she really is a 30 year season ticket holder and she has 2 tickets, that's 32 priority points right there.

She has to donate $100 dollars to get into the black lot, so that's 33 priority points.

The minimum donation for the purple lot is $250, so that would have given her 34.5 points.

This assumes that she has absolutely no other points from lifetime giving whatsoever.

The cutoff for the Purple lot this year was 34 points.

So she's either a liar or she's an idiot.
So I'm guessing she's gone to games for 30 yrs but only had season tix for maybe the past 5-10 yrs & doesn't donate much.
 
There was no implied guarantee when people bought those tickets in the 70s that Rutgers would be playing Ohio State 40 years later and they would be guaranteed premium level seating & parking. For $40 bucks, you got the right to see 5 Patriot League level games, that's all.

Personally I think Rutgers is MORE than generous to the people who spent 40 bucks in the 70s or 150 bucks in the 90s. There is no need to give them the most valuable asset that can be monetized.
 
I understand exactly what she is saying. My Dad started taking me to Rutgers games in 1976. For years and years in the 80's , 90's, and early 2,000's, I sat dead center for basketball and very low near the 50 yard line for football. As the years went on,though, I had to move my seats farther and farther away--they aren't bad now,but they aren't as good. As for parking, I haven't paid for parking since the late 80's. My walk for basketball is not bad,but I walk about 25 minutes for football. At some stage in the future, I just won't be able to handle a walk that far. Not sure what I would do at that point. I guess the difference between me and this woman is that I knew this was coming years ago,because I lived in the South for a while and had season tickets for some SEC and ACC schools while I was down there. At schools like that, prices were years ahead of what Rutgers was charging back then. What we have done the past decade is catch up to many other schools' costs. Do I miss tickets for $8 and $2 parking--sure. Would I trade games like Louisville (football), Michigan (football), and Wisconsin (basketball) for the old days with Colgate,Richmond,Lehigh,Maine,etc.--no way.
There was no implied guarantee when people bought those tickets in the 70s that Rutgers would be playing Ohio State 40 years later and they would be guaranteed premium level seating & parking. For $40 bucks, you got the right to see 5 Patriot League level games, that's all.

Personally I think Rutgers is MORE than generous to the people who spent 40 bucks in the 70s or 150 bucks in the 90s. There is no need to give them the most valuable asset that can be monetized.
There was no implied guarantee when people bought those tickets in the 70s that Rutgers would be playing Ohio State 40 years later and they would be guaranteed premium level seating & parking. For $40 bucks, you got the right to see 5 Patriot League level games, that's all.

Personally I think Rutgers is MORE than generous to the people who spent 40 bucks in the 70s or 150 bucks in the 90s. There is no need to give them the most valuable asset that can be monetized.

Then again without those very fans we may have become UConn or Temple. Many multiple tickets holders bought three or four or even a half dozen tickets and rationalized it in their minds as an actual donation to Rutgers knowing full well that they would not be able to even give away the tickets.
Having said that if she even gave a little, she would be not be in this predicament.
 
My buddy and I have been season ticket holders together for almost 40 years. We have donated some years, some not. In the last 5 seasons we have been moved from Green, to Yellow, to now Blue. We hated Blue so much we sold most of our Blue last 2 seasons, and this year we didn't even bother putting in for parking, we simply now park in a private yard a few house down from the Greek Church. Only $20, we can walk to our friend's tailgate in the Scarlet lot in literally 5-10 minutes, and usually a quick out.

Another option for Maureen Casey is Johnson Park, nice lot, right across entrance from stadium, and decent tailgating scene. That lot I think is $35.
 
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I understand exactly what she is saying. My Dad started taking me to Rutgers games in 1976. For years and years in the 80's , 90's, and early 2,000's, I sat dead center for basketball and very low near the 50 yard line for football. As the years went on,though, I had to move my seats farther and farther away--they aren't bad now,but they aren't as good. As for parking, I haven't paid for parking since the late 80's. My walk for basketball is not bad,but I walk about 25 minutes for football. At some stage in the future, I just won't be able to handle a walk that far. Not sure what I would do at that point. I guess the difference between me and this woman is that I knew this was coming years ago,because I lived in the South for a while and had season tickets for some SEC and ACC schools while I was down there. At schools like that, prices were years ahead of what Rutgers was charging back then. What we have done the past decade is catch up to many other schools' costs. Do I miss tickets for $8 and $2 parking--sure. Would I trade games like Louisville (football), Michigan (football), and Wisconsin (basketball) for the old days with Colgate,Richmond,Lehigh,Maine,etc.--no way.


Your Rutgers Sports history sounds darn near identical to mine...cept it was my friend's Rutgers Prof father who started bringing me to the games in 1974.

I'll add this...unlike this lady I was responsible for my company sponsoring RU Football and BBall for a number of years..$100k + support. Since I got season tix thru that relationship I never got credit in my personal P Point account for those seasons...my contact (KMAC) is long gone ..so my support is understaed and I sit and park below my grade (if you know what I mean)...but am I going to bitch in public and trash RU over it..no freakin way. (this isn't public is it? LOL)
 
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I honestly couldn't care less about the crowd that whines about this and that and donates nothing. These people do not realize that you sitting in a seat at a game does not put winning teams on the field, no matter how hard you cheer them on.

"But what of my loyalty!" They all say. Well, your loyalty, quite frankly, is worthless. The price of the ticket buys you 14" of bleacher from which to watch a sporting event. It doesn't buy you a win. A win takes much, much more. "But I was there for all of those terrible losses, don't I deserve something for that?!" No. All of those terrible losses were what your ticket price bought you.

Now the team wins, because people other than you made it so. If you want to see those wins, then put up the dough to pay your fair share, or find another hobby. Because we want to see a team that wins.
 
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Then again without those very fans we may have become UConn or Temple.

Say we had 10,000 season ticket holders in 1975. Who did more to bring Rutgers to where it is today: those 10,000 or one Sonny Werblin?
 
Say we had 10,000 season ticket holders in 1975. Who did more to bring Rutgers to where it is today: those 10,000 or one Sonny Werblin?

Depends on how you look at it.

I've had season tickets for 26 years. In those 26 years the napkin math on my total spend is about $50,000.

10,000 people like me is $500 million.
 
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Rutgers was 9-2 in 75.
Rutgers spent 100 million on the last 10,000 seats. I'm not sure there are any rational arguments here to be made.
 
There are some that live and die Rutgers but can not afford to give beyond the ticket price. So I don't blame her for being pissed for being bounced.

I don't know why they just didn't increase the price of the parking and keep the old points system? Don't get the idea of mandatory donations.
 
There are some that live and die Rutgers but can not afford to give beyond the ticket price. So I don't blame her for being pissed for being bounced.

I don't know why they just didn't increase the price of the parking and keep the old points system? Don't get the idea of mandatory donations.

The donations are tax-deductible. Tickets and parking passes are not. It's a strategy designed to accommodate people who donate a sizable amount of money.
 
I think the only possible argument in her favor is that she possessed two tickets for thirty years. If that's the case, it seems far more fair that a person who purchased two tickets for thirty years should get 2 x 30 = 60 points rather than 1 x 30= 30 points. Whole system in effect punishes the longest and most loyal who bought more than a single ticket. Food for thought.

7 years of getting 10 tickets in a group gives 70 points by that strange math. Your thirty year ticket holder just got booted by a 7 year ticket holder group that also donated zero. Fact is you can't make everyone happy.

Back on point. If you are donating basically zero, which this woman would have to do if she was a 30 year season ticket holder....then she has nothing to complain about. I will point out that she says she was a fan for 30 years....doesnt necessarily mean she was a season ticket holder for that amount of time either.
 
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the season tickets are not in here name i would guess been going to games since 1991 didnt change for me into 2006 all of those years before my accounts starts at 0 from 91-2006
 
The donations are tax-deductible. Tickets and parking passes are not. It's a strategy designed to accommodate people who donate a sizable amount of money.
I get that. But how did the old system not accomplish that? Unless you were a lifer you has to donate mucho $ to get the closer lots.
 
the season tickets are not in here name i would guess been going to games since 1991 didnt change for me into 2006 all of those years before my accounts starts at 0 from 91-2006
Similar to me. I lost about 7 years of points because I was on someone else's account. So now I don't qualify for anything close to the stadium and I can't afford to make a huge donation to qualify. It sucks but eventually I will catch up and be where I want.
 
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Let me add some clarity to that last comment.

If she really is a 30 year season ticket holder and she has 2 tickets, that's 32 priority points right there.

She has to donate $100 dollars to get into the black lot, so that's 33 priority points.

The minimum donation for the purple lot is $250, so that would have given her 34.5 points.

This assumes that she has absolutely no other points from lifetime giving whatsoever.

The cutoff for the Purple lot this year was 34 points.
Beat me to it. And I can't blame it on my flip flop.
 
The revelation that in order to miss out on purple lot, this woman was almost definitely not a season ticket holder for her 30 years of fandom makes her complaining even more impressive. So she feels entitled not as a donor, not as a purchaser, but as someone who has been to games? Nice.
 
The revelation that in order to miss out on purple lot, this woman was almost definitely not a season ticket holder for her 30 years of fandom makes her complaining even more impressive. So she feels entitled not as a donor, not as a purchaser, but as someone who has been to games? Nice.

This is the full text of her rant:

"Very sad that after 30 years of following my team and buying season tickets and traveling to bowl games I get bumped to the black lot because I didn't donate enough! Amazing how my alma mater turned against me because I don't have money to spend on a lot that I used to pull up in for years that was empty and I always went to cheer the team on as they came off the buses and I was always in my seat watching them as they warmed up and stayed until the last second. Not a happy camper right now!!"
 
This is the full text of her rant:

"Very sad that after 30 years of following my team and buying season tickets and traveling to bowl games I get bumped to the black lot because I didn't donate enough! Amazing how my alma mater turned against me because I don't have money to spend on a lot that I used to pull up in for years that was empty and I always went to cheer the team on as they came off the buses and I was always in my seat watching them as they warmed up and stayed until the last second. Not a happy camper right now!!"

It's such a ridiculous position when you hash it out. I used to come park in this lot when you could drive right up without paying. Now that the lot is filled with paying customers, I'm upset that they won't still let me in for free. I tried to explain that I have been coming to games for a long time, and that when I do come, I cheer the team on. But they turned on me, saying that my cheers were no good anymore, because the "new" Rutgers only accepts payment in the form of actual money.

Don't get me wrong, its sad that people who are terrific fans are going to get priced out of Big Ten Rutgers football. Its very sad, especially for alumni of the school. But that's capitalism. It's happened with the Yankees and Giants, and now it is going to happen at Rutgers. But even these fans who get priced out have to recognize that its in the best interests of the school. The odds of Rutgers becoming competitive in the Big Ten are extremely long, even with donations at appropriate levels. Without getting as much as they can from the fans, the school won't stand a chance.
 
What is the next complaint?

- I have a handicapped hang tag for my car, why can't I park at the gate to the stadium?
- With all the traffic I need to budget lots of extra time to get to and from the stadium
- I used to be able to buy a cup of hot cocoa at the stadium for a dime
- I used to be able to watch games on NJ public TV without paying for a cable box

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Her claims just do not add up to the actual facts as so many on this thread have pointed out.
 
Since we are B1G I think the risk of the following is minimal... But... There is still a chance that onfield results regress... And the demand for tix drops through the floor.. And those 10K-15K long time season ticket fans who sustained this program in its darkest days.. Who made B1G membership possible.. Will not feel compelled to show up like they did during the Shea years.

I hope it doesn't happen... And the chances are very slim that it does.. But this is the threat when you favor the new money fans over the long time fans.
 
Since we are B1G I think the risk of the following is minimal... But... There is still a chance that onfield resultw regress... And the demand formtix drops through the floor.. And those 10K-15K long time season ticket fans who sustained this program inits darkest days.. Who made B1G membership possible.. Will not feel compelled to show up like they did during the Shea years.

I hope it doesn't happen... And the chancqes are very slim that it does.. But this is thenthreat when you favornthe new moneynfans over th long time fans.

This doesn't worry me, because my immediate group of people has talked about the scenario many times. Our thinking is that the high-dollar bandwagon folks go away, but not completely - just enough so that long-timers like us can work our way back toward the top of the heap.

The way I look at it is, it's a dollar-for-dollar competition, but I'm starting out with a 30 point advantage - and I don't have any desire to be back in the Scarlet lot. So really, for me, I'm in a comfortable enough place that I can just focus on enjoying the experience.

No, my "nightmare scenario" is the opposite - where we do so well that the costs go completely insane simply because the market would bear it - and I have to start laying out serious coin to have a short walk to the stadium.
 
Just so everybody knows:

"30 years of season tickets, and assuming you have 2, is 32pp. a $250 donation for the year would give you 34.5 points and the cut off for purple was 34 points. I'm sorry but, did you donate at all?"

To which the person in question responded:

"Not really any of your business" ... "but thanks for asking."

Maureen Casey doesn't want your help. She just wants to complain.
 
Yeah, it's great when a certain someone plagiarizes my math. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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