Do players shoot worse under Pike?

[fluoxetine]

Inspired by the discussion in this thread: https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ot-mag.289563/

I looked at players who have played at Rutgers under Pike and also for other schools. In the beginning there were a couple players who played a year under Eddie Jordan, then under Pike, and then elsewhere. For these players I did not count their Eddie Jordan numbers.

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TLDR:
Weighted Averages
3p% under Pike: 32.45%
3p% elsewhere: 32.61%
Conclusion: No significant difference

FT% under Pike: 67.59%
FT% elsewhere: 70.76%
Conclusion: Worse under Pike

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Here is the raw data:

Player

Rut 3pM

Rut 3pA

Rut FTM

Rut FTA

Other 3pM

Other 3pA

Other FTM

Other FTA

Rut 3p%

Other 3p%

Rut FT%

Other FT%

Aundre Hyatt

107​

352​

135​

192​

22​

85​

18​

23​

30.4%​

25.9%​

70.3%​

78.3%​

Paul Mulcahy

74​

207​

126​

176​

15​

48​

33​

43​

35.7%​

31.3%​

71.6%​

76.7%​

Montez Mathis

57​

203​

128​

220​

29​

90​

66​

103​

28.1%​

32.2%​

58.2%​

64.1%​

Cam Spencer

72​

166​

76​

85​

204​

493​

211​

242​

43.4%​

41.4%​

89.4%​

87.2%​

Jacob Young

46​

143​

98​

146​

81​

301​

97​

141​

32.2%​

26.9%​

67.1%​

68.8%​

Derek Simpson

33​

131​

116​

139​

36​

115​

45​

58​

25.2%​

31.3%​

83.5%​

77.6%​

Nigel Johnson

43​

119​

64​

91​

53​

170​

91​

139​

36.1%​

31.2%​

70.3%​

65.5%​

Gavin Griffiths

31​

111​

18​

30​

7​

28​

0​

0​

27.9%​

25.0%​

60.0%​

Akwasi Yeboah

35​

104​

57​

73​

179​

499​

262​

330​

33.7%​

35.9%​

78.1%​

79.4%​

Peter Kiss

29​

99​

18​

32​

121​

382​

274​

346​

29.3%​

31.7%​

56.3%​

79.2%​

Mawot Mag

26​

99​

82​

116​

20​

53​

23​

31​

26.3%​

37.7%​

70.7%​

74.2%​

Noah Fernandes

29​

81​

43​

52​

94​

250​

152​

201​

35.8%​

37.6%​

82.7%​

75.6%​

Tyson Acuff

28​

72​

13​

17​

137​

414​

190​

235​

38.9%​

33.1%​

76.5%​

80.9%​

Zach Martini

24​

66​

13​

19​

80​

229​

21​

27​

36.4%​

34.9%​

68.4%​

77.8%​

Jeremiah Williams

16​

62​

65​

91​

23​

86​

79​

124​

25.8%​

26.7%​

71.4%​

63.7%​

Eugene Omoruyi

14​

61​

164​

260​

41​

108​

91​

119​

23.0%​

38.0%​

63.1%​

76.5%​

PJ Hayes

16​

49​

6​

8​

66​

167​

48​

61​

32.7%​

39.5%​

75.0%​

78.7%​

Jordan Derkack

11​

41​

70​

94​

40​

153​

234​

324​

26.8%​

26.1%​

74.5%​

72.2%​

Dean Reiber

12​

36​

20​

33​

18​

94​

12​

21​

33.3%​

19.1%​

60.6%​

57.1%​

Clifford Omoruyi

7​

35​

232​

393​

0​

1​

42​

63​

20.0%​

0.0%​

59.0%​

66.7%​

Austin Williams

6​

16​

15​

38​

54​

186​

209​

343​

37.5%​

29.0%​

39.5%​

60.9%​

Jonathan Laurent

4​

13​

17​

23​

48​

124​

95​

117​

30.8%​

38.7%​

73.9%​

81.2%​

Antwone Woolfolk

1​

6​

29​

63​

1​

7​

25​

38​

16.7%​

14.3%​

46.0%​

65.8%​

Jalen Miller

0​

3​

7​

10​

43​

103​

44​

63​

0.0%​

41.7%​

70.0%​

69.8%​

C.J. Gettys

0​

0​

41​

60​

0​

0​

65​

101​

68.3%​

64.4%​

Ibrahima Diallo

0​

0​

3​

6​

0​

0​

4​

10​

50.0%​

40.0%​

Mamadou Doucoure

0​

0​

21​

37​

0​

1​

24​

37​

0.0%​

56.8%​

64.9%​

Myles Johnson

0​

0​

71​

181​

0​

0​

24​

45​

39.2%​

53.3%​

Ralph Agee

0​

0​

9​

14​

8​

34​

64​

104​

23.5%​

64.3%​

61.5%​

I am not 100% certain how to weight it for comparison purposes, but I think assigning each player a weight of MIN(Rutgers attempts, other attempts) is reasonable.

Using that, here is 3-point comparison:

Player	Rut 3pM	Rut 3pA	Other 3pM	Other 3pA	Weight	Rut 3p%	Other 3p%
Cam Spencer	72​	166​	204​	493​	166​	43.4%​	41.4%​
Jacob Young	46​	143​	81​	301​	143​	32.2%​	26.9%​
Nigel Johnson	43​	119​	53​	170​	119​	36.1%​	31.2%​
Derek Simpson	33​	131​	36​	115​	115​	25.2%​	31.3%​
Akwasi Yeboah	35​	104​	179​	499​	104​	33.7%​	35.9%​
Peter Kiss	29​	99​	121​	382​	99​	29.3%​	31.7%​
Montez Mathis	57​	203​	29​	90​	90​	28.1%​	32.2%​
Aundre Hyatt	107​	352​	22​	85​	85​	30.4%​	25.9%​
Noah Fernandes	29​	81​	94​	250​	81​	35.8%​	37.6%​
Tyson Acuff	28​	72​	137​	414​	72​	38.9%​	33.1%​
Zach Martini	24​	66​	80​	229​	66​	36.4%​	34.9%​
Jeremiah Williams	16​	62​	23​	86​	62​	25.8%​	26.7%​
Eugene Omoruyi	14​	61​	41​	108​	61​	23.0%​	38.0%​
Mawot Mag	26​	99​	20​	53​	53​	26.3%​	37.7%​
PJ Hayes	16​	49​	66​	167​	49​	32.7%​	39.5%​
Paul Mulcahy	74​	207​	15​	48​	48​	35.7%​	31.3%​
Jordan Derkack	11​	41​	40​	153​	41​	26.8%​	26.1%​
Dean Reiber	12​	36​	18​	94​	36​	33.3%​	19.1%​
Gavin Griffiths	31​	111​	7​	28​	28​	27.9%​	25.0%​
Austin Williams	6​	16​	54​	186​	16​	37.5%​	29.0%​
Jonathan Laurent	4​	13​	48​	124​	13​	30.8%​	38.7%​
Antwone Woolfolk	1​	6​	1​	7​	6​	16.7%​	14.3%​
Jalen Miller	0​	3​	43​	103​	3​	0.0%​	41.7%​
Clifford Omoruyi	7​	35​	0​	1​	1​	20.0%​	0.0%​
Weighted Average						32.45%​	32.61%​

I get a weighted average of 32.45% at Rutgers and 32.61% elsewhere. So slightly better elsewhere but effectively the same.

Here is the FT comparison:

Player	Rut FTM	Rut FTA	Other FTM	Other FTA	Weight	Rut FT%	Other FT%
Jacob Young	98​	146​	97​	141​	141​	67.1%​	68.8%​
Eugene Omoruyi	164​	260​	91​	119​	119​	63.1%​	76.5%​
Montez Mathis	128​	220​	66​	103​	103​	58.2%​	64.1%​
Jordan Derkack	70​	94​	234​	324​	94​	74.5%​	72.2%​
Nigel Johnson	64​	91​	91​	139​	91​	70.3%​	65.5%​
Jeremiah Williams	65​	91​	79​	124​	91​	71.4%​	63.7%​
Cam Spencer	76​	85​	211​	242​	85​	89.4%​	87.2%​
Akwasi Yeboah	57​	73​	262​	330​	73​	78.1%​	79.4%​
Clifford Omoruyi	232​	393​	42​	63​	63​	59.0%​	66.7%​
C.J. Gettys	41​	60​	65​	101​	60​	68.3%​	64.4%​
Derek Simpson	116​	139​	45​	58​	58​	83.5%​	77.6%​
Noah Fernandes	43​	52​	152​	201​	52​	82.7%​	75.6%​
Myles Johnson	71​	181​	24​	45​	45​	39.2%​	53.3%​
Paul Mulcahy	126​	176​	33​	43​	43​	71.6%​	76.7%​
Austin Williams	15​	38​	209​	343​	38​	39.5%​	60.9%​
Antwone Woolfolk	29​	63​	25​	38​	38​	46.0%​	65.8%​
Mamadou Doucoure	21​	37​	24​	37​	37​	56.8%​	64.9%​
Peter Kiss	18​	32​	274​	346​	32​	56.3%​	79.2%​
Mawot Mag	82​	116​	23​	31​	31​	70.7%​	74.2%​
Aundre Hyatt	135​	192​	18​	23​	23​	70.3%​	78.3%​
Jonathan Laurent	17​	23​	95​	117​	23​	73.9%​	81.2%​
Dean Reiber	20​	33​	12​	21​	21​	60.6%​	57.1%​
Zach Martini	13​	19​	21​	27​	19​	68.4%​	77.8%​
Tyson Acuff	13​	17​	190​	235​	17​	76.5%​	80.9%​
Ralph Agee	9​	14​	64​	104​	14​	64.3%​	61.5%​
Jalen Miller	7​	10​	44​	63​	10​	70.0%​	69.8%​
PJ Hayes	6​	8​	48​	61​	8​	75.0%​	78.7%​
Ibrahima Diallo	3​	6​	4​	10​	6​	50.0%​	40.0%​
Weighted Average						67.59%​	70.76%​

Here I get a weighted 67.59% at Rutgers and 70.76% elsewhere. This actually looks significant.

 

[RUChoppin]

Inspired by the discussion in this thread: https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ot-mag.289563/

I looked at players who have played at Rutgers under Pike and also for other schools. In the beginning there were a couple players who played a year under Eddie Jordan, then under Pike, and then elsewhere. For these players I did not count their Eddie Jordan numbers.

-----
TLDR:
Weighted Averages
3p% under Pike: 32.45%
3p% elsewhere: 32.61%
Conclusion: No significant difference

FT% under Pike: 67.59%
FT% elsewhere: 70.76%
Conclusion: Worse under Pike

-----

Here is the raw data:

Player

Rut 3pM

Rut 3pA

Rut FTM

Rut FTA

Other 3pM

Other 3pA

Other FTM

Other FTA

Rut 3p%

Other 3p%

Rut FT%

Other FT%

Aundre Hyatt

107​

352​

135​

192​

22​

85​

18​

23​

30.4%​

25.9%​

70.3%​

78.3%​

Paul Mulcahy

74​

207​

126​

176​

15​

48​

33​

43​

35.7%​

31.3%​

71.6%​

76.7%​

Montez Mathis

57​

203​

128​

220​

29​

90​

66​

103​

28.1%​

32.2%​

58.2%​

64.1%​

Cam Spencer

72​

166​

76​

85​

204​

493​

211​

242​

43.4%​

41.4%​

89.4%​

87.2%​

Jacob Young

46​

143​

98​

146​

81​

301​

97​

141​

32.2%​

26.9%​

67.1%​

68.8%​

Derek Simpson

33​

131​

116​

139​

36​

115​

45​

58​

25.2%​

31.3%​

83.5%​

77.6%​

Nigel Johnson

43​

119​

64​

91​

53​

170​

91​

139​

36.1%​

31.2%​

70.3%​

65.5%​

Gavin Griffiths

31​

111​

18​

30​

7​

28​

0​

0​

27.9%​

25.0%​

60.0%​

Akwasi Yeboah

35​

104​

57​

73​

179​

499​

262​

330​

33.7%​

35.9%​

78.1%​

79.4%​

Peter Kiss

29​

99​

18​

32​

121​

382​

274​

346​

29.3%​

31.7%​

56.3%​

79.2%​

Mawot Mag

26​

99​

82​

116​

20​

53​

23​

31​

26.3%​

37.7%​

70.7%​

74.2%​

Noah Fernandes

29​

81​

43​

52​

94​

250​

152​

201​

35.8%​

37.6%​

82.7%​

75.6%​

Tyson Acuff

28​

72​

13​

17​

137​

414​

190​

235​

38.9%​

33.1%​

76.5%​

80.9%​

Zach Martini

24​

66​

13​

19​

80​

229​

21​

27​

36.4%​

34.9%​

68.4%​

77.8%​

Jeremiah Williams

16​

62​

65​

91​

23​

86​

79​

124​

25.8%​

26.7%​

71.4%​

63.7%​

Eugene Omoruyi

14​

61​

164​

260​

41​

108​

91​

119​

23.0%​

38.0%​

63.1%​

76.5%​

PJ Hayes

16​

49​

6​

8​

66​

167​

48​

61​

32.7%​

39.5%​

75.0%​

78.7%​

Jordan Derkack

11​

41​

70​

94​

40​

153​

234​

324​

26.8%​

26.1%​

74.5%​

72.2%​

Dean Reiber

12​

36​

20​

33​

18​

94​

12​

21​

33.3%​

19.1%​

60.6%​

57.1%​

Clifford Omoruyi

7​

35​

232​

393​

0​

1​

42​

63​

20.0%​

0.0%​

59.0%​

66.7%​

Austin Williams

6​

16​

15​

38​

54​

186​

209​

343​

37.5%​

29.0%​

39.5%​

60.9%​

Jonathan Laurent

4​

13​

17​

23​

48​

124​

95​

117​

30.8%​

38.7%​

73.9%​

81.2%​

Antwone Woolfolk

1​

6​

29​

63​

1​

7​

25​

38​

16.7%​

14.3%​

46.0%​

65.8%​

Jalen Miller

0​

3​

7​

10​

43​

103​

44​

63​

0.0%​

41.7%​

70.0%​

69.8%​

C.J. Gettys

0​

0​

41​

60​

0​

0​

65​

101​

68.3%​

64.4%​

Ibrahima Diallo

0​

0​

3​

6​

0​

0​

4​

10​

50.0%​

40.0%​

Mamadou Doucoure

0​

0​

21​

37​

0​

1​

24​

37​

0.0%​

56.8%​

64.9%​

Myles Johnson

0​

0​

71​

181​

0​

0​

24​

45​

39.2%​

53.3%​

Ralph Agee

0​

0​

9​

14​

8​

34​

64​

104​

23.5%​

64.3%​

61.5%​

I am not 100% certain how to weight it for comparison purposes, but I think assigning each player a weight of MIN(Rutgers attempts, other attempts) is reasonable.

Using that, here is 3-point comparison:

Player	Rut 3pM	Rut 3pA	Other 3pM	Other 3pA	Weight	Rut 3p%	Other 3p%
Cam Spencer	72​	166​	204​	493​	166​	43.4%​	41.4%​
Jacob Young	46​	143​	81​	301​	143​	32.2%​	26.9%​
Nigel Johnson	43​	119​	53​	170​	119​	36.1%​	31.2%​
Derek Simpson	33​	131​	36​	115​	115​	25.2%​	31.3%​
Akwasi Yeboah	35​	104​	179​	499​	104​	33.7%​	35.9%​
Peter Kiss	29​	99​	121​	382​	99​	29.3%​	31.7%​
Montez Mathis	57​	203​	29​	90​	90​	28.1%​	32.2%​
Aundre Hyatt	107​	352​	22​	85​	85​	30.4%​	25.9%​
Noah Fernandes	29​	81​	94​	250​	81​	35.8%​	37.6%​
Tyson Acuff	28​	72​	137​	414​	72​	38.9%​	33.1%​
Zach Martini	24​	66​	80​	229​	66​	36.4%​	34.9%​
Jeremiah Williams	16​	62​	23​	86​	62​	25.8%​	26.7%​
Eugene Omoruyi	14​	61​	41​	108​	61​	23.0%​	38.0%​
Mawot Mag	26​	99​	20​	53​	53​	26.3%​	37.7%​
PJ Hayes	16​	49​	66​	167​	49​	32.7%​	39.5%​
Paul Mulcahy	74​	207​	15​	48​	48​	35.7%​	31.3%​
Jordan Derkack	11​	41​	40​	153​	41​	26.8%​	26.1%​
Dean Reiber	12​	36​	18​	94​	36​	33.3%​	19.1%​
Gavin Griffiths	31​	111​	7​	28​	28​	27.9%​	25.0%​
Austin Williams	6​	16​	54​	186​	16​	37.5%​	29.0%​
Jonathan Laurent	4​	13​	48​	124​	13​	30.8%​	38.7%​
Antwone Woolfolk	1​	6​	1​	7​	6​	16.7%​	14.3%​
Jalen Miller	0​	3​	43​	103​	3​	0.0%​	41.7%​
Clifford Omoruyi	7​	35​	0​	1​	1​	20.0%​	0.0%​
Weighted Average						32.45%​	32.61%​

I get a weighted average of 32.45% at Rutgers and 32.61% elsewhere. So slightly better elsewhere but effectively the same.

Here is the FT comparison:

Player	Rut FTM	Rut FTA	Other FTM	Other FTA	Weight	Rut FT%	Other FT%
Jacob Young	98​	146​	97​	141​	141​	67.1%​	68.8%​
Eugene Omoruyi	164​	260​	91​	119​	119​	63.1%​	76.5%​
Montez Mathis	128​	220​	66​	103​	103​	58.2%​	64.1%​
Jordan Derkack	70​	94​	234​	324​	94​	74.5%​	72.2%​
Nigel Johnson	64​	91​	91​	139​	91​	70.3%​	65.5%​
Jeremiah Williams	65​	91​	79​	124​	91​	71.4%​	63.7%​
Cam Spencer	76​	85​	211​	242​	85​	89.4%​	87.2%​
Akwasi Yeboah	57​	73​	262​	330​	73​	78.1%​	79.4%​
Clifford Omoruyi	232​	393​	42​	63​	63​	59.0%​	66.7%​
C.J. Gettys	41​	60​	65​	101​	60​	68.3%​	64.4%​
Derek Simpson	116​	139​	45​	58​	58​	83.5%​	77.6%​
Noah Fernandes	43​	52​	152​	201​	52​	82.7%​	75.6%​
Myles Johnson	71​	181​	24​	45​	45​	39.2%​	53.3%​
Paul Mulcahy	126​	176​	33​	43​	43​	71.6%​	76.7%​
Austin Williams	15​	38​	209​	343​	38​	39.5%​	60.9%​
Antwone Woolfolk	29​	63​	25​	38​	38​	46.0%​	65.8%​
Mamadou Doucoure	21​	37​	24​	37​	37​	56.8%​	64.9%​
Peter Kiss	18​	32​	274​	346​	32​	56.3%​	79.2%​
Mawot Mag	82​	116​	23​	31​	31​	70.7%​	74.2%​
Aundre Hyatt	135​	192​	18​	23​	23​	70.3%​	78.3%​
Jonathan Laurent	17​	23​	95​	117​	23​	73.9%​	81.2%​
Dean Reiber	20​	33​	12​	21​	21​	60.6%​	57.1%​
Zach Martini	13​	19​	21​	27​	19​	68.4%​	77.8%​
Tyson Acuff	13​	17​	190​	235​	17​	76.5%​	80.9%​
Ralph Agee	9​	14​	64​	104​	14​	64.3%​	61.5%​
Jalen Miller	7​	10​	44​	63​	10​	70.0%​	69.8%​
PJ Hayes	6​	8​	48​	61​	8​	75.0%​	78.7%​
Ibrahima Diallo	3​	6​	4​	10​	6​	50.0%​	40.0%​
Weighted Average						67.59%​	70.76%​

Here I get a weighted 67.59% at Rutgers and 70.76% elsewhere. This actually looks significant.

Don't have time to look at it, but curious the FT performance for guys who transferred in vs guys who transferred out .. that is, do players just improve at the line over their careers, agnostic of environment.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Don't have time to look at it, but curious the FT performance for guys who transferred in vs guys who transferred out .. that is, do players just improve at the line over their careers, agnostic of environment.

Looks to me like a few high volume guys maybe skewed the numbers. Not sure how fluox accounted for that.

 

[fluoxetine]

Free Throws

Transferred In
Rutgers 71.20%
Other 70.83%

Transferred Out
Rutgers 61.83%
Other 69.19%

Did Both
Rutgers 72.39%
Other 73.36%

 

[fluoxetine]

Looks to me like a few high volume guys maybe skewed the numbers. Not sure how fluox accounted for that.

I'm not sure how to account for it or if it should be accounted for, though even if you remove, say, Eugene Omoruyi and Montez Mathis (the two highest weight guys who were better after transferring) you still get 68.84% Rut, 70.77% other.

If I take a simple average of the percentages with no weighting you get Rutgers 66.2% and Other 70.1%

If you just take the total FT% without adjusting for a different mix of attempts you get Rutgers 65.2%, Other 72.9%.

 

[RUsojo]

Would be interesting to see each players change in 3PA per 100 and 3PA rate.

Is it virtually the same percentage on virtually the same 3PA per 100 or 3PA rate, or are guys shooting more 3s at RU or elsewhere.

 

[bethlehemfan]

I'm not sure how to account for it or if it should be accounted for, though even if you remove, say, Eugene Omoruyi and Montez Mathis (the two highest weight guys who were better after transferring) you still get 68.84% Rut, 70.77% other.

If I take a simple average of the percentages with no weighting you get Rutgers 66.2% and Other 70.1%

If you just take the total FT% without adjusting for a different mix of attempts you get Rutgers 65.2%, Other 72.9%.

Just fix it so it looks better. That’s all I’m looking for lol.

 

[BillyC80]

Acuff, my m’man

 

[BillyC80]

Summerville has to be the best FT shooter we’ve ever had at the 5 spot.

 

[fluoxetine]

Would be interesting to see each players change in 3PA per 100 and 3PA rate.

Is it virtually the same percentage on virtually the same 3PA per 100 or 3PA rate, or are guys shooting more 3s at RU or elsewhere.

I’ll see if I can do this too.

 

[essexknight]

Davis seems to have improved quite a bit as a shooter under this coaching staff.

 

[RUDivision]

Very impressive turn around! Kudos

 

[PaKnight]

I'm not sure how to account for it or if it should be accounted for, though even if you remove, say, Eugene Omoruyi and Montez Mathis (the two highest weight guys who were better after transferring) you still get 68.84% Rut, 70.77% other.

If I take a simple average of the percentages with no weighting you get Rutgers 66.2% and Other 70.1%

If you just take the total FT% without adjusting for a different mix of attempts you get Rutgers 65.2%, Other 72.9%.

With Eugene his FT shooting was improving during his time at RU.
Y1 63%
Y2 54%
Y3 71%

Then he sat out a year and then shot 77% his one year at Oregon.

 

[RUChoppin]

JMike's FT% jumped from .600 to .684 in a single game

 

[Simce91]

Davis seems to have improved quite a bit as a shooter under this coaching staff.

I would suggest you could insert "player" for "shooter"

I truly hope that JMike stays for his Jr and Sr years, many of us will be very happy he did

 

[PaKnight]

I would suggest you could insert "player" for "shooter"

I truly hope that JMike stays for his Jr and Sr years, many of us will be very happy he did

This thread is specifically about shooting.