Does everyone realize that

[RUsSKii]

inquiring with a professor about a players grade is not an NCAA infraction... He did not try to force the teacher to change the grade...he was lookin out for his player and looking out for his football team....he shouldnt even have been suspended 3 games u sound like a fool saying he should have been fired..you dont like him stop trying to use the email situation...u arent happy with his recruiting and w-l record thats enough for u to voice ur displeasure and for u to feel he should be fired....

Based on your argument, you clearly did not read the report. If all he did was innocently inquire about the player's grade, there wouldn't be a major issue. Flood contacted a faculty member about a player's grade a full month after it was finalized, meaning the player had already finished the class and failed it (not that it matters as much, but he failed freaking Theater Appreciation!). He actually asked if the player could do anything in order to change the grade retroactively, which is a big issue. Flood contacted the faculty member repeatedly despite being told to cease doing so by a member of the football program's academic support staff, purposely and admittedly used his personal e-mail address in order to try and avoid OPRA, and met the faculty member in question in Princeton while attempting to be INCOGNITO.

Flood permanently lost my support (among others) after the extent of his transgressions was fully learned. The multiple player arrests/dismissals for armed robbery and assault, as well as the horrific coaching and team performance, are merely kickers to ensure that he should be fired as head coach after the Maryland game.

If you think he maintained his supposed integrity after all that, then I have a bridge to sell you in Nebraska.

 

[theRU]

Don't buy his Bridge...I have a beach house in East Brunswick for you.

 

[NotInRHouse]

RU was in a rough spot as stated above. What I'm curios to see is if Flood is fired would there be another fund and would it grow? Did people donate money because they want change only to run away once change is coming?

Someone in the thread offered a minimum of 5k if Schiano was hired. A smart AD at a school like ours that pleads poverty would have reached out to him.

A smart AD would have said, well we cannot take donations like this, but we understand fan concerns, please reach out to the AD directly with donations and we are happy to talk.

Of course, RU leadership instead accuses it most loyal fans of being fraudsters. There was an easy way to co-opt it into post-Flood change, and like all opportunities, RU not only blew it but managed to make a bigger scandal and insult the fans.

 

[vkj91]

Someone in the thread offered a minimum of 5k if Schiano was hired. A smart AD at a school like ours that pleads poverty would have reached out to him.

A smart AD would have said, well we cannot take donations like this, but we understand fan concerns, please reach out to the AD directly with donations and we are happy to talk.

Of course, RU leadership instead accuses it most loyal fans of being fraudsters. There was an easy way to co-opt it into post-Flood change, and like all opportunities, RU not only blew it but managed to make a bigger scandal and insult the fans.

Actually, a smart AD isnt calling anyone for 5,000. If you recall, two years ago we had a guy making calls to smaller donors, it leaked,the deal fell through and the rest is history. Big money people know what's going on and we little guys aren't part if the plan just yet. Nor should we be.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Actually, a smart AD isnt calling anyone for 5,000. If you recall, two years ago we had a guy making calls to smaller donors, it leaked,the deal fell through and the rest is history. Big money people know what's going on and we little guys aren't part if the plan just yet. Nor should we be.

At RU, do they have a choice?

Also, the biggest mouth donor is Towers, who claims to represent all donors. Do you think he knows what's going on?

 

[brodo]

... i went out there and set up a fraudulent account in the name of Rutgers...

For Shame, theRU! For Shame.

 

[theRU]

Someone in the thread offered a minimum of 5k if Schiano was hired. A smart AD at a school like ours that pleads poverty would have reached out to him.

A smart AD would have said, well we cannot take donations like this, but we understand fan concerns, please reach out to the AD directly with donations and we are happy to talk.

Of course, RU leadership instead accuses it most loyal fans of being fraudsters. There was an easy way to co-opt it into post-Flood change, and like all opportunities, RU not only blew it but managed to make a bigger scandal and insult the fans.

For Shame, theRU! For Shame.

Lol good one... the way people read here i wouldn't be shocked if that is all they saw from my post.

 

[RutgersROB]

Based on your argument, you clearly did not read the report. If all he did was innocently inquire about the player's grade, there wouldn't be a major issue. Flood contacted a faculty member about a player's grade a full month after it was finalized, meaning the player had already finished the class and failed it (not that it matters as much, but he failed freaking Theater Appreciation!). He actually asked if the player could do anything in order to change the grade retroactively, which is a big issue. Flood contacted the faculty member repeatedly despite being told to cease doing so by a member of the football program's academic support staff, purposely and admittedly used his personal e-mail address in order to try and avoid OPRA, and met the faculty member in question in Princeton while attempting to be INCOGNITO.

Flood permanently lost my support (among others) after the extent of his transgressions was fully learned. The multiple player arrests/dismissals for armed robbery and assault, as well as the horrific coaching and team performance, are merely kickers to ensure that he should be fired as head coach after the Maryland game.

If you think he maintained his supposed integrity after all that, then I have a bridge to sell you in Nebraska.

You can change grades retroactively....and to say he kept contacting after being told not isnt fair either because the professor was responding back and having a conversation...if the professor felt he or she was being harrassed why continue to reply and why agree to meet personally...if he was constantly emailing this professor why would they go and meet in person...you all are blowing it waaaay out of proportion because u want the guy fired...like i said Its fine saying u want him fired for W-L record, recruiting or awful defense but stop using the email scandal excuse...it was pety and he served his punishment...i would love to see what kind of integrity some of you have and im sure we can find a little bullshit thing you did and attack your whole character about it...but then u are on anonymous message board so u can spew out any garbage u want with ur holier than thou attitude

 

[Hondo77]

You can change grades retroactively....and to say he kept contacting after being told not isnt fair either because the professor was responding back and having a conversation...if the professor felt he or she was being harrassed why continue to reply and why agree to meet personally...if he was constantly emailing this professor why would they go and meet in person...you all are blowing it waaaay out of proportion because u want the guy fired...like i said Its fine saying u want him fired for W-L record, recruiting or awful defense but stop using the email scandal excuse...it was pety and he served his punishment...i would love to see what kind of integrity some of you have and im sure we can find a little bullshit thing you did and attack your whole character about it...but then u are on anonymous message board so u can spew out any garbage u want with ur holier than thou attitude

You don't think that a part time professor with no tenure might have felt a little pressured?

 

[RutgersROB]

Soo much pressure that he or she then ran to the press about it...

Cmon this isnt Ohio State...he wasnt pressuring her at all...something could have been done not against rules...

And no one here would have been bitching about it....instead they entertained it and set him up

 

[NotInRHouse]

Who ran to the press?

The academic support staff reported Flood, not the SL or the professor.

The Floodies are just lying now...sad

 

[RedSpartan]

As mentioned above - someone should contact the AD and ask for them to create a one.rutgers.edu camapign for an endowment.

I have. Have not yet heard back yet, but only reached out a couple of days ago.

 

[MADHAT1]

At RU, do they have a choice?

Also, the biggest mouth donor is Towers, who claims to represent all donors. Do you think he knows what's going on?

Probably more than most small donors.
Don't you think Flood talks to him and the AD answers his calls personally ?

 

[NotInRHouse]

Probably more than most small donors.
Don't you think Flood talks to him and the AD answers his calls personally ?

Flood yes. JH no. Do I think Flood knows what is going on...meh. If the rumors about JH hating Flood are true, and I tend to think they are, I doubt she is interested in Flood's personal backer.

From what I have heard, there is basically an ongoing debate about the future and a lot of pussyfooting.

 

[RUsSKii]

You can change grades retroactively....and to say he kept contacting after being told not isnt fair either because the professor was responding back and having a conversation...if the professor felt he or she was being harrassed why continue to reply and why agree to meet personally...if he was constantly emailing this professor why would they go and meet in person...you all are blowing it waaaay out of proportion because u want the guy fired...like i said Its fine saying u want him fired for W-L record, recruiting or awful defense but stop using the email scandal excuse...it was pety and he served his punishment...i would love to see what kind of integrity some of you have and im sure we can find a little bullshit thing you did and attack your whole character about it...but then u are on anonymous message board so u can spew out any garbage u want with ur holier than thou attitude

Changing grades after they are finalized for the semester is extremely rare, and only done in cases where a student appeals to the dean for professor misconduct, a long illness, etc. You are literally grasping at straws to try and minimize what Flood actually did, which was blow off a Rutgers academic advisor in order to sneak around by e-mail and in person to repeatedly ask a professor to change Barnwells grade. Since it was the advisor who reported him and not the professor, that blows any excuse about the professor feeling pressured out of the water. And finally, why is a football head coach being paid a million plus $ per season not only leaving campus to go meet with professors to talk about changing grades, but also reading and correcting his players term papers? That shit may fly in Remember The Titans, but not for a B1G football program, and in addition to his on-field performance should seal his fate here.

You want to call out my personal integrity? I attended Rutgers for eight years to earn two degrees, and never received a final class grade lower than a C. I was in danger of failing chemistry freshman year while taking too many pre-engineering classes, and guess what? I dropped the class before it was too late, manned up and passed it the following semester. I didn't allow myself to fail, then have my athletic coach go cry to the professor about offering extra credit to pass the class. Oh, and I've also never been declared academically ineligible at RU or arrested, period. Thanks for playing.

 

[RU62]

Agree with you here ski. What Kyle did was totally out of order and when JH learned about this, which in am sure was before Barchi, she should have read him the riot act and nicely said if anything more happens you will be in deep sh**.

So what happens it gets to Barchi and he turns it into a congressional like investigation. And JH seeing and knowing what they did to TP after he took action by fining and suspending Rice perhaps learned her lesson early and has been relatively quite as the wizard in Old Queens is out to protect his ass. And who knows maybe this is all his ace in the hole so they can let Kyle go with cause and limit Rutgers payout liability. You just never know.

 

[theRU]

I have. Have not yet heard back yet, but only reached out a couple of days ago.

please tell RU62 about your experience...he keeps telling me how we'd be more effective if we just emailed the AD. lol

 

[RU62]

RU, please note that he said he only reached out a couple of days ago. You make it sound that all Julie or others have to do is sit around all day and respond to every request or inquiry that they receive daily. Like many similar situations they are often understaffed. And yes they could possibly send a standard thank you for your interest response bUT thenforcement other important daily work eould not be done....would that make you happy. For all we know JH is trying to do her own research and due diligence to see who the best coaching replacements might be as well as administer the other sports. The support staff is very thin as in similar situations. I do know that JH does keep track of the inquiries she receives and is often part the information she compiles when making certain requests of the higher administration and in preparing budgets and just doing her job. I've even received an email response from her written at midnight to an inquiry I made.

Is it often easy to get things done at Rutgers? Hell no! From experience I can tell you it is often frustrating and the bigger the school has become the harder it gets.Ask Bob Mulcahy or Tim or even past University presidents. The state politicians have their hand into everything when perhaps the public interest would be better served in cleaning up and monitoring things in theirown house. Better yet ask Are You Nuts as I am sure he can relate to you some frustrating experiences. And I say this with all due respect to him and his efforts. He's been there and done that and knows more than many as to what goes on. He may not realize it but I understand where he often is coming from and is correct. Sometimes it is how we say things..myself included. It's the frustration that often gets the best of us.

 

[NotInRHouse]

I think we have all emailed JH several times.

Those who have heard back from her in the past no longer hear back.

She clearly is under gag order.

The fans have limited choice. But tomorrow, the University is going to see a half filled stadium. They're going to hear a lot of boos. Will that get the message through to an admin so tone deaf it calls donors frauds for wanting to oust a coach who engaged in academic fraud?

 

[derleider]

I am fully supportive of the idea behind the campaign. However, Rutgers clearly understands the concept of crowdfunding - but won't condone a #FireFlood crowdfunding campaign.

Anyone can argue they should have taken the money seeing as they were not obligated to use it to fire flood but the OP gave them no choice by titling it as such. A title of Head Coach Endowment Fund - or literally ANYTHING other than fire flood (be more subtle) - would have gave Rutgers the option to keep the money and BTW it would be raising more money as we speak.

IMO

Yes - we would be well on our way to paying 1% of the future coaches salary for year one of the standard five year contract.

Thats the idiocy of the whole thing. That you all thought you were making a difference, when all you were really doing was being petulant whiners.

 

[theRU]

Yes - we would be well on our way to paying 1% of the future coaches salary for year one of the standard five year contract.

Thats the idiocy of the whole thing. That you all thought you were making a difference, when all you were really doing was being petulant whiners.

Its debatable. Who know what would happen if we ended 3-9, each loss would add more juice. COuld we get the goal? Probably not, but could we get a significant sum?

and anybody who pooh-poohs 8k in 36 hours didn't see what INDIANA's fanbase generated for their basketball program. THey've been raising money since march and have just over 1k.

 

[RUsojo]

Yes - we would be well on our way to paying 1% of the future coaches salary for year one of the standard five year contract.

Thats the idiocy of the whole thing. That you all thought you were making a difference, when all you were really doing was being petulant whiners.

You're a legend.

 

[knightfan7]

You didn't read the report. Judging how you write, i'm not the one who looks like a fool.

W-L + Recruiting+ email-gate+arrests= FIRED

Not to nit pick but the arrests are not a reason. As embarrassing as it is to you alums, the program, school, and even us fans, you can't blame a coach for what kids do in their free time. Just my opinion.

The other 3 reasons are of course all legitimate and where Flood's fate should rest.

 

[theRU]

Not to nit pick but the arrests are not a reason. As embarrassing as it is to you alums, the program, school, and even us fans, you can't blame a coach for what kids do in their free time. Just my opinion.

The other 3 reasons are of course all legitimate and where Flood's fate should rest.

OK i can live with that...but IMO if you have a group of kids that have criminal tendencies you should see the smoke if you are in tune with your team.

I think Flood is a players coach, he gives too many benefit of the doubt and I think it bit him here.

 

[RedSpartan]

please tell RU62 about your experience...he keeps telling me how we'd be more effective if we just emailed the AD. lol

I heard back from Sarah Baumgartner today. The email string shows Julie forwarded my inquiry to her. Sarah says that endowing the head coach position is definitely a long-term goal, but not something they would use crowdfunding for. Generally, they look to crowdfunding for raising $20-$30K over 30 days or so for top annual priorities. I think she may be talking about the RUF crowdfunding site directly, as opposed to a fan-started crowdfunding campaign to contribute to a larger goal. In any case, she invited me to talk via phone, and I left her a message. Hopefully we can all work together toward a shared goal, short or long-term. I'll be on vacation next week, but will update when and if I hear back. Thanks.

 

[knightfan7]

OK i can live with that...but IMO if you have a group of kids that have criminal tendencies you should see the smoke if you are in tune with your team.

I think Flood is a players coach, he gives too many benefit of the doubt and I think it bit him here.

Wow, what a world. You and I are agreeing? Cats and dogs are next lol.

I couldn't agree more and have said the same thing (bit him) several times. Not excusing him even a little but I believe that's what the Barnwell thing was about. He couldn't let go. Same thing with Peele and I believe it's why he gave Johnson a place on the team even though he would never play again. No excuse as it (Barnwell) was wrong in every sense of the word but unlike many I don't think he had anything but the kid's best interest in mind.

You can be a really nice guy but when it interferes with your ability to run a program or clouds your judgment, you either change or look for a different line of work.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Not to nit pick but the arrests are not a reason. As embarrassing as it is to you alums, the program, school, and even us fans, you can't blame a coach for what kids do in their free time. Just my opinion.

The other 3 reasons are of course all legitimate and where Flood's fate should rest.

To be fair I think many of us would have bragged about how clean our program was in the GS days. And I think it was fair game. Whatever you want to say about him, he kept guys in line that subsequently went out of line when not coached by him at this level and the NFL level. And honestly I think if you asked anyone that played for him they would agree.

I think RU can win in the B1G with character guys. Aside from TTFP and tOSU incidents I see a lot of that around the conference.

 

[RU62]

TheRU...RedSpartan makes sense and reached out to creditable people foro answers and got them. This is something it appears you may have not done. I notice Spartan also mentioned crowd funding as an option but done by the Foundation which makes sense as opposed to an outside source.

Red, I think many of us appreciate your feedback.

 

[theRU]

TheRU...RedSpartan makes sense and reached out to creditable people foro answers and got them. This is something it appears you may have not done. I notice Spartan also mentioned crowd funding as an option but done by the Foundation which makes sense as opposed to an outside source.

Red, I think many of us appreciate your feedback.

stop replying to me

i'm getting off this merry go round with you. you keep circling the same issues and i keep giving you answers. Do you have Alzheimers???

 

[RedSpartan]

Sarah called me back and we spoke for a while. It was very pleasant and productive. Bottom line, while the RUF crowdfunding site is through and by Rutgers itself, she seemed receptive to the idea of an outside site, such as GoFundMe, raising money toward a goal of some kind. In particular, she says the most pressing matter annually is fully funding scholarships, which the budget does not provide for. Doing so -- that is, taking care of the athletes first -- causes a trickle-down effect in that it frees up other funds for projects. She said the AD meets every Monday to discuss various matters, and she would bring up my proposal for feedback. She understands that fans are frustrated, but appreciates coming to the AD directly and channeling that energy into a positive. I won't get into the details of the conversation, but suffice it to say I came away impressed; she gets it. Anyway, I'll let you know when I speak with her again.

 

[RU62]

Way to go Red. And yes she gets it and you hear directly from a top source. theRU..don't know what your continued ptoblem may be but take a hint from RedSpartan and speak to a reliable source such Sarah. I've always found her on top of things and responsive. It's her job and she does it quite well.

If you may have done this initially you would have learned all there is to know about crowd funding options by the Foundation and also why it would nor could not endorse a Fire Flood campaign or fund regardless how you may try to paint it. That my friend is the point I have been trying to explain but you do not seem to understand because you apparently are consumed with the firing Flood issue which is your perogative.

 

[PSU_Nut]

RU did not start this campaign ...that is the black and white...you did and their campaigns are not towards a negative outcome .... yours was. The foundation has numerous categories to choose from including coaches etc. The Foundation should have been approached first before using their name and ID.

The campaign final comment is misleading as you did not have permission to claim the donations were going to the Foundation legally. This can be construed as A fraud like those collecting for PBA on the phone. I cannot take a charities tax ID and use it without their explicit permission and there is paperwork involved. The ID is published for RU so people know it's a legitimate charity. You can't go down the list of Gofundme accts and use their ID s either. This was wrong approach, end of discussion. I have been involved with fundraising for over 38 years with many organization and many educational groups.

No I won't respond to comments of being a Flood supporter, this has nothing to do with that and everything to do about doing something wrong. As class of 75 I've seen plenty of good, bad and ugly, but fundraising Rules are RULES.

What are you talking about. It time to get with modern times. This is a perfectly legal way of funding. Charities can sign up to allow donations from sites like go fund me to go directly to them. There is no need to contact them to use the tax ID. They already have permission through go fund me. They have done this to protect donors so they know it going to the stated purpose. Typically they are used for people individual fund raising effort like instead of birthday gifts ect.

 

[RU62]

Thank you '75. You have outlined it very well and from your experience over the years as opposed to some folks who may not have done or fully understand why Rutgers cannot or will not accept funds specifically for the purpose of firing a coach or person.

But equally important... what have we learned thru some of these dialogues and posts. The Foundation does have have "crowd funding" opportunities and apparently has engaged in an agreement with a software vendor to handle this function and has the proper licensing and explanations as to its rules, terms and conditions. And it is as simple as '75 has explained.

PSU Nut...what you say is true but in many cases may not meet IRS standard for tax deductibility and yet is a convenient way to collect funds for a particular purpose or project. There is a difference here that needs to be understood.

 

[RU Cheese]

Ru62, your continued exercise of selectively reading and interpreting posts that support your original belief is growing tiresome. You are no different than anyone who posts about a player or coach and specifically chooses points that support their argument. Yawn

 

[theRU]

Ru62, your continued exercise of selectively reading and interpreting posts that support your original belief is growing tiresome. You are no different than anyone who posts about a player or coach and specifically chooses points that support their argument. Yawn

thanks for seeing this too.

we've gone back and forth about tax deductibility like 75 times already.. and then he switches to RUfund being within their rights for refusing (which nobody is arguing against) round and round we go.

 

[RutgersUnion]

@theRU Could this be started again but funds go to something local like DEVCO. This way something sort of Rutgers related will benefit and you can make it explicit that the money wont actually go to his firing but its symbolic. Also kind of an FU to Rutgers that they didn't want the no strings attached donation.

 

[theRU]

@theRU Could this be started again but funds go to something local like DEVCO. This way something sort of Rutgers related will benefit and you can make it explicit that the money wont actually go to his firing but its symbolic. Also kind of an FU to Rutgers that they didn't want the no strings attached donation.

i dunno. I'd prefer to start an individual fundraiser but i know that will not be effective since it will not be tax deductible, plus you think people doubted the legitimacy of donating to RU foundation directly, imagine what would happen with a personal fundraiser.