Douby Induction in HOF
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The Parks line was a joke. I already said I also think Roy should be retired. Eddie next on the list, but perhaps let some time past since his sour departure.
QD's best season was better than Riggins. Highest scoring season by anyone not named Lloyd. 6th all time in scoring after only 3 years. Top 10 in 3pt %, FT % all time. 1st round draft pick. Led the best conference in country in scoring.
And as for the Yankee comparison....there is a reason Billy Martin, Ron Guidry have their numbers retired. Not the greatest players ever to play for the Yanks...but in their place and time, special, worth honoring forever...just like Quincy. And that's coming from a Mets fan...
Hamady is an excellent example of a "Rutgers great" but not in the conversation for jersey retirement. I know you watched both careers, and I'm sorry his defense offended you (had one season w a crazy amount of steals, but I know thats not the best indicator) but the eye test should tell you who is a generational talent at RU and who was just a really good player for us. And if the eye test doesn't work, then his stats should help.
Quincy was honored forever - by inducting him in the hall of fame. And Guidry and Posada and Martin and others were given plaques in Monument Park but retiring their numbers put them in company they don’t belong.
By dumping the established objective criteria for retiring a number, the highest honor, and making it totally subjective it is going to lead to some hurt feelings. From reading BK’s comments this sounds like this a done deal which I think is shortsighted and totally unnecessary.
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Sorry, but this ain't the Congressional Medal of Honor, its a way to honor the best basketball players in Rutgers history. Quincy is in the upper echelon. You are reacting emotionally. Quincy's inclusion doesn't in any way diminish the legacies of the other 3. You are acting outraged bc you think John Battle's family is going to be miffed? I think it just offends your sensibilities as a "purist" or "old-timer"...no disrespect intended, just how I am perceiving this line of thinking.
How is QD upper echelon? Because of one great season? How many NCAA appearances? Did he have a long, memorable NBA career?
QD was the best out of a bad bunch. I enjoyed watching him, but his three teams were mediocre at best.
He is upper echelon based on the stats that are readily available in this thread. If he wasn't a generational talent he wouldn't have led the BE in scoring and been a first round pick. Did Bob Lloyd have a long and memorable NBA career? Who is the second greatest scorer after Bob? And lets extrapolate an average senior year for him, and he holds the record. But he didn't bc he went to the NBA as a 1st round pick...UPPER ECHELON!
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"Generational talent" - seriously? Being a late 1st round pick and having a cup of coffee in the NBA (very small cup) isn't elite in any way.
Retire Hinson's number first and then we can talk about Battle and Douby.
A generation is 20 years, and yes he was by far the best player in 20 years. And again, you want to use NBA success? Bob Lloyd's career was just as small a cup...and yes being a first round draft pick out of Rutgers makes you the upper echelon of Rutgers players. How is that hard to grasp? Again, I am now certain you are just a get-off-my-lawn curmudgeon. You do understand if he doesn't go pro and make millions...the RIGHT move...that his already impressive stats are even more so, right?
First of all, I love the fact that I am in a MBB thread and actually caring. It's been a long time. I started my "RU" experience going to MBB games with my dad when I was very young. Hoping to do the same with my daughter.
Second, we just disagree on the standard. I agree QD is the best RU player over the past 20 years, but I still don't think he reaches the threshold to justify such an honor. Once again, being the best of a bad bunch doesn't automatically qualify.
Agree to disagree. I think his resume, in any time period in RU history, is Worthy like Steve...but I digress...I Douby-lieve we will have a more meaningful banner to hang soon with Pike!
BK,
I thought only 1st Team All Americans got their number retired for RU basketball?
Hence: Lloyd, Sellers, Bailey, Olkowski and Wicks. Was Cappie Pondexter a 1st Team AA? And would she deserve to have HER number retired - was she not actually better versus her peers than Douby was versus HIS peers - plus has had a terrific pro career in the WNBA.
Yup, I know it was. As I said, would have "voted" for her without hesitation. Same as QD.
A lot of self-hating Rutgers fans in this thread, as usual. QD's final season, and his crazy run through the Big East tournament and the NIT were just about the last good hoops times we had at Rutgers. I made the trip to the Garden, to PSU, and finally to St. Joes for his last game. Damn, I miss that kid, but it was great to see him on Saturday. Some of you guys need to lighten up.
I think QD deserves every honor he receives.but Roy Hinson was a first round draft pick in the NBA and had a wonderful career at RU. If QD deserves to have his number retired than Hinson's should definitely be retired. He had an outstanding NBA career until his knee was badly damaged. One year he averaged just under 20 ppg. He also was a good scorer, rebounder & shot blocker at RU.
Pro careers where and when drafted should be of no concern when talking about an ex RU player being honored by retiring their jersey number.
WTF does a pro carreer have to do with how good a player was while at Rutgers.
That player could have been a great college player , but the pros could have felt he was to small for the position he played in college and not a good fit in another position. So he might not be a first round choice, even though he played like one in college.
For those of you who feel Roy Hinson should have his jersey retired and Douby doesn't deserve that honor.
I feel they both do.
Quincy Douby College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/quincy-douby-1.html
Roy Hinson College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/roy-hinson-1.html
WTF does a pro carreer have to do with how good a player was while at Rutgers.
That player could have been a great college player , but the pros could have felt he was to small for the position he played in college and not a good fit in another position. So he might not be a first round choice, even though he played like one in college.
For those of you who feel Roy Hinson should have his jersey retired and Douby doesn't deserve that honor.
I feel they both do.
Quincy Douby College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/quincy-douby-1.html
Roy Hinson College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/roy-hinson-1.html
I also feel both should have their numbers retired. I really believe that Roy's number should have been retired a long time ago. His RU team was awesome and he led us to the NCAA in our last really good run.
I just don't think stats alone are enough to warrant a jersey retirement. Douby was the best player that has been through here in 20+ years... but we haven't had a whole lot of high caliber players come through in that time, so he shines by comparison.
Douby wasn't even a third team All American in his best season... nor was he conference player of the year. He suffered in many ways because there was a lack of talent around him, but he also got a lot more opportunities to score because of it, too. Hall of Fame player, definitely - one of the greatest Rutgers players in recent memory. I'd think jersey retirement would come along with more accomplishments and recognition on a national or conference level, though.
Douby wasn't even a third team All American in his best season... nor was he conference player of the year. He suffered in many ways because there was a lack of talent around him, but he also got a lot more opportunities to score because of it, too. Hall of Fame player, definitely - one of the greatest Rutgers players in recent memory. I'd think jersey retirement would come along with more accomplishments and recognition on a national or conference level, though.
Wonder if Douby could have been the vanguard of the new kind of guard, a la Step Curry?
Is he still lighting it up in China? They should have named a forbidden city for him by now!
MO
PS Have a friend from Nova (NJ guy) who used to joke:
"The Douby is hot, The Douby is lit...Douby for 3"!
Although I am not much of a BB fan, I was in attendance at the Dome when Douby set the record for points scored (40?) against the Cuse. Had it not been for a bench warmer hitting a jumper, Quincy would had pretty much beaten them by himself.
>"Is he still lighting it up in China? "<
Quincy’s playing this season in Lebanon
http://basketball.asia-basket.com/team/Lebanon/Sporting-Al-Riyadi-Beirut/2563
Pepsi LBL Round 3: Al Riyadi defeat Tadamon in the closest game of the week - Oct 26, 2017
. It was a great evening for American guard Quincy Douby (190-84, college: Rutgers) who led his team to a victory scoring 20 points
http://www.asia-basket.com/Lebanon/...efeat-Tadamon-in-the-closest-game-of-the-week
And almost every RU guard who followed him was a poor shooter who couldn't score if they were locked in the gym by themselves, in addition to often being even worse defenders who never improved as players.
