Dunleavy article: Zach Allen "ahead right now" in QB battle, opines BTN analyst Gerry DiNardo
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Yup. . . the Offense is more effective based on the fact that the QB is a threat to run.
so Allen will be more effective in this offense at a completion rate of let's say 60 percent, than Laviano at 65 percent.
so Allen will be more effective in this offense at a completion rate of let's say 60 percent, than Laviano at 65 percent.
Allen was named a co-starter before the first practice. . . What more needs to be said.
Laviano is going play for sure. . . and he's going to be productive.
We're going bowling this year. . . Yup, I said it.
What a dopey article, and I like Dunleavy, or at least used to when he was at the Asbury Park Press. Ash himself said today that neither one of them (and the whole team) has not shown consistency, and things vary from day to day.
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Here is what DiNardo said:
"I think they are really close in the pass game, so IF you based it on TODAY, you can give them a tie in the pass game, and I think you give Zach the edge in the run game. But you have to give Zach the edge in the run game because he has had more reps in this offense. That doesn't mean that Chris isn't going to be able to catch up to him. It's tight, they both look pretty good."
Where's the headline from what was said right after that:
"A lot of talent out there. This is a very talented team for a first year team."
Revsine: "Let's give credit where credit is due to the last staff."
Blowing sunshine, or are the naysayers here correct that we suck?
"I think they are really close in the pass game, so IF you based it on TODAY, you can give them a tie in the pass game, and I think you give Zach the edge in the run game. But you have to give Zach the edge in the run game because he has had more reps in this offense. That doesn't mean that Chris isn't going to be able to catch up to him. It's tight, they both look pretty good."
Where's the headline from what was said right after that:
"A lot of talent out there. This is a very talented team for a first year team."
Revsine: "Let's give credit where credit is due to the last staff."
Blowing sunshine, or are the naysayers here correct that we suck?
I don't think you have to be a naysayer here to know that Rutgers is going to be uncompetitive in the division for at least another two years.
Know? Or think?
So, you think DiNardo was just blowing sunshine? He also said that the team was going to win more games than people think and they would be competitive. Should we give more stock to a guy who coached in the B1G for 12 years and it his job to visit and analyze all B1G teams, or random fans who tend to be self-loathing?
The same TCU who was 23-3 the last two seasons or a different one?
Its dead even folks. Another of the BTN analysts tweeted today that Laviano was passing better and Allen was running better.
Our QB situation is desperate...
Who gives a crap who the starter is as long as he's the best player at the position?
Perhaps not, but the "pt player from TCU" comment seems to ignore the fact that Allen was backing up an extremely successful QB. Who knows what his deal is. May have been a bench player a lot of other places, or may have been a starter a lot of other places.
It's amazing to me how Allen could be tied with Chris so fast and passed Rettig. I think a lot of us who killed Flood last season, and with good reason on a lot of levels, need to admit he was right on the QB depth chart last year. Sure maybe Hayden would be further along if he got 1st team reps,and I had high hopes for him, but something just hasn't clicked for this kid,at least not yet.
On this forum? Never. KF was a total failure in every aspect of the job, and everything he did was wrong. He will only get blame and diatribes for what he did not do right, which was basically everything.
DiNardo: "A lot of talent out there. This is a very talented team for a first year team."
Revsine: "Let's give credit where credit is due to the last staff."
Oh, and quote of the day: "Chris Ash is a note taker." :joy:
In some respects. . . .
I don't necessarily think I thought Flood was wrong on the depth chart last year. I think, and I think most people felt the same way, that Flood should have given Rettig a chance when it was obvious Laviano was struggling so bad. One, sometimes it helps to sit and watch. Two, some guys are better game players then practice players so it is almost worth it just to see if that is the case when Laviano was playing so poorly anyway.
The dumbest thing said on this post was that RU will go bowling this year. This is no reflection on Ash at all. As far as STARTING talent...there are so many weaknesses it is ridiculous. Thanks Kyle...who was kept to save our recruiting...and he saved a couple of people but in the process seriously damaged this program.
Got to factor in the switch to a new offense which requires additional skill sets at the quarterback position.
Amen. I'm hoping for the best - and the shocking this year - as always, but people get so easily hung up on "word out of camp" and tweets from the B1G talking heads after they visited campus for a day. It's just like when people get excited by an offense destroying a D in the spring game. Uhm...hello...it's your own horrible D they just destroyed.
When either the offense or defense does well against the other, most posters assume the worst about the other.
Agree but have to like that we look bigger and more physical across both lines and that some are even referring to our DL as the strength of the team. I'd rather they say that than we look great at WR and in the secondary but our lines are very suspect. Of course QB play and whether or not our DL can consistently generate a pass rush with the front four will dictate a lot of how this season plays out but this can be said for most teams at our level. Even with 3 new linebackers I think our D will be schemed up better week in and week out than what we've seen the past 3 years and we will look like we belong. And not to be a d#ck but no one is confusing Longa, Gause and Lewis with the '86 Giants backers.
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In reality he was 4th string, the reason he played other positions.....
Other thoughts...... If the two are even, I think the staff starts with Laviano, due to his experience as Qb. And having the better feel, passing to familiar targets, etc..... I think Allen would have to be noticeably better as a passer to start....
Me, I would love the threat of a running Qb To keep defenses honest.... But if Allen cannot complete a decent percentage of passes, the defense closes in, and the scrambling gains we hope for become a bit more tough to get.
The biggest difference between how Ash and Flood will treat QBs is the likelihood (based on his experience at Ohio State) of pulling the starter if he's playing poorly or replacing him if he's got several poor games in a row.
It's also a bit difficult to say Flood was right about Laviano over Rettig when we're utilizing a different offense this year. It's not exactly a fair comparison imo.
It's also a bit difficult to say Flood was right about Laviano over Rettig when we're utilizing a different offense this year. It's not exactly a fair comparison imo.
This. Saying that Laviano is the better passer and has the better touch on his passes is real scary.
We have seen the continued inconsistently in his passes ( even short passes out in the flat are a set up for crushing on the RB).
Maybe he's improved having professional coaching? Not a Laviano/Flood supporter, just hoping he's improved if he is indeed the starter
Completely comical when posters state definitively that Ash will replace a starting QB earlier than our prior coaching staff. There is absolutely no evidence as to what he will do in this regard. Because he was on a coaching staff that acted in one manner means absolutely diXX with regard to the decisions he will make. He was a defensive coach.. .had nothing to do with the offense or QB decisions at OSU.
And as to the other point: …. The current coaching staff has already stated publicly that the type of offense has nothing to do with the selection of the QB. Just yesterday in the paper Mehringer was asked the following:
Are you looking for a dual-threat quarterback or the best-quarterback-period to run your offense?
"We're looking for the best guy that we can find. We said from the beginning, a guy that is competitive, that's got leadership and intelligence. If he has those three things, we can figure out all the X's and O's. That part is easy.'' The depth chart speaks for itself.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i..._looking_for_a_dual-threat_or_the_best_q.html
This. Rettig absolutely should've been given a shot given how horribly Laviano played and how good Rettig looked in very limited mop up duty.
People really need to go back and look at the full replays of the games and do an objective analysis of Rettig’s play. I think people bailed out on a lot of the blow outs and missed much of when Rettig played. The ONE time Retig got meaningful minutes with the starters against a BIG ten starting Defense… he did nothing. 3rd Quarter against Wisconsin. Multiple consecutive 3 and outs. Missing open receivers and looking like a deer in the headlights. Then when the scrub D came in, he hit a few long passes. And I still cannot get out of my mind the play (against Nebraska I think it was ) where he was moving away from pressure and basically tripped and fell over his own feet with not a defender around him. That really did not inspire much confidence. Yes he threw a few good long passes in garbage time…. but his few shots against the starting Defenses clearly did not warrant more playing time.
And what has been said ad naseum….. Much of the “Bad Play” from the QB as analyzed by the expert RU fans…. Is not so clearly due to only the play of the QB. Laviano and the Rutgers O had a terrible showing against Wisconsin,,,, yes, that is clear... but One of the recognized best QB’s in the Big Ten ( CJ Beathard from Iowa) had a very similar statistical day against that same D. 9 -21 for 77 yards. Beathards goes on to be Lauded as one of the top QB’s in the country. The RU fans just say that Laviano sucks, disregarding the quality of the Defense, and the poor play of the rest of the RU offense. Funny these RU fans they are.
I like Gerry DiNardo a lot - but this thread is kinda silly. his opinion was based on watching 1 day of practice for about 45 mins.... what he actually said(paraphrasing): - was both QBs are just about even, but Allen has more experience running (from spread) so, he's ahead....
that's far from meaning he's clearly ahead........
that's far from meaning he's clearly ahead........
