Eddie Jordan and KenPom

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bac2therac said: ↑
12-21 should be the expectation next year

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No. Better than that record should be the expectation. But if you lose a few at the buzzer that you could have won and end up there, we deal with it. Have to see real progress on defense which will translate to more wins.

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goru7, you are saying that the expectation has to be greater than 12-21 next year. I believe what the "Jordan needs to go now" crowd is saying (and I am in that crowd after a moment of empathy mid-season) is that we do not see Jordan doing any better than that...not by along shot. Several reasons:

1. Injuries aside, EJ has not proven to be a very good College Coach- he has had 3 years to get better and he has not- we should not expect Defense, Rebounding or Fundamental philosophies to change.

2. Next years recruiting class has no Cory or Freeman.

3. Other B1G teams will get better and the difference is so great, that we are not going to see any major improvement.

(I am sure BAC and others can add to this)

It would appear based on your comments that this time next year- if we are 6-21, 7-20, 8-19- you will be joining the let EJ go crowd which simply highlights the only difference we truly have. We have seen enough of EJ and you think its the injuries.

If Jordan returns and I do no think he will.... we will welcome you to the club this time next year!

 

[ruman]

No. Better than that record should be the expectation. But if you lose a few at the buzzer that you could have won and end up there, we deal with it. Have to see real progress on defense which will translate to more wins.

If Eddie makes it, the way you deal with a 12 win season next year is by changing coaches.

And thats why we should cut the cord now

 

[bac2therac]

Yeah Bac ,why did Nebraska go from above 500 to below ? Shields their best player went down in our game and they have lost a few in a row, but still had leads late they lost, and lost in OT . They lost one damn player and see what happened. Do you think Tim Miles is not a good coach? He was the hot coach before Nebraska got him.

every school in this league has suffered injuries....Indiana, Illinois, Michigan hit hard. Not having Shields contributes but Nebby is losing because they are playing better schools. The standings are what they are, I feel they are very accurate to where teams level are right now. There is a clear pecking order and you see how hard it is to break into the top 8 where the bluebloods resides....schools 9-13 continue to jockey for position but yet still fall short....one constant at the bottom

RU will suffer an injury or two next year as well...every team does but of course its your fantasy that it doesnt

 

[bac2therac]

Every school you mention, is beatable and we should compete with without any blowouts . You expect the same as this year.

compete is different from winning...judging by losing 41 of 46 and questionable behavior from your two best players, I would say its going to take them a while to learn how to win

 

[bac2therac]

No. Better than that record should be the expectation. But if you lose a few at the buzzer that you could have won and end up there, we deal with it. Have to see real progress on defense which will translate to more wins.

the end game is 12/13 next year and then 500...then Sanders leaves after his junior year, Freeman, Johnson graduate and we go back into the total toilet because Eddie cannt recruit

his class next year is probably rated LAST in the Big 10..what do you have to say about that

 

[willisneverrana43]

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his class next year is probably rated LAST in the Big 10..what do you have to say about that

A number of his recruiters were injured. Mike Rice. Facilities. Locusts.

 

[ruman]

the end game is 12/13 next year and then 500...then Sanders leaves after his junior year, Freeman, Johnson graduate and we go back into the total toilet because Eddie cannt recruit

his class next year is probably rated LAST in the Big 10..what do you have to say about that

Its obvious we are set up for an endless stream of sub .500 seasons - why continue this

 

[goru7]

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bac2therac said: ↑
12-21 should be the expectation next year

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No. Better than that record should be the expectation. But if you lose a few at the buzzer that you could have won and end up there, we deal with it. Have to see real progress on defense which will translate to more wins.

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goru7, you are saying that the expectation has to be greater than 12-21 next year. I believe what the "Jordan needs to go now" crowd is saying (and I am in that crowd after a moment of empathy mid-season) is that we do not see Jordan doing any better than that...not by along shot. Several reasons:

1. Injuries aside, EJ has not proven to be a very good College Coach- he has had 3 years to get better and he has not- we should not expect Defense, Rebounding or Fundamental philosophies to change.

2. Next years recruiting class has no Cory or Freeman.

3. Other B1G teams will get better and the difference is so great, that we are not going to see any major improvement.

(I am sure BAC and others can add to this)

It would appear based on your comments that this time next year- if we are 6-21, 7-20, 8-19- you will be joining the let EJ go crowd which simply highlights the only difference we truly have. We have seen enough of EJ and you think its the injuries.

If Jordan returns and I do no think he will.... we will welcome you to the club this time next year!

Section, 1) I do expect defense and rebounding with our frontline back to get better. I guess you have not been following the back and forth but I clearly have said in numerous posts that Eddie's defense has to change. He came in with a NBA mindset that his offense was going to outscore teams. He has been wrong and we have not had the 3 point people step up to do so. We are last in the conference in made 3's and last in defending the 3 by a wide margin. That alone accounts for some of these 20 point differences in games. If you make 1-2 more and they make 1-2 less that is 12 points right there without a whole lot of drastic defensive changes which are also needed.
2) Next year's class has 3 players with length, something we have not had. I think the Dailey kid will contribute and Isia is now 6'10 and got better. However , next year we only need them for 5 minutes a game. We will have 4 juniors, 4-5 sophomores and 3-4 freshman and no seniors. You then have the whole team back the following year. That hasn't happened at Ru in ages. If the team improves drastically as I believe then Eddie has 4 scholarships to give out when the present guys who are sophomore eligible play their final year, Mike, DJ, Deshawn and Nigel).
3) I disagree. Some teams will get better and some will get worse. We clearly will make the most improvement in the league and I do not think the difference is that great as you do. With the exception of Michigan State, there are no Kentucky's, Duke, or UNC , that make it impossible on any given night.

 

[goru7]

every school in this league has suffered injuries....Indiana, Illinois, Michigan hit hard. Not having Shields contributes but Nebby is losing because they are playing better schools. The standings are what they are, I feel they are very accurate to where teams level are right now. There is a clear pecking order and you see how hard it is to break into the top 8 where the bluebloods resides....schools 9-13 continue to jockey for position but yet still fall short....one constant at the bottom

RU will suffer an injury or two next year as well...every team does but of course its your fantasy that it doesnt

Open your eyes on the injuries. Not one of those teams had their frontline and depth in the frontline eliminated . Illinois was thought to be an NCAA team before they guard and center got hurt and their backup forward. But they still have Hill and Dunn, 2 of the better players on the Big 10. A team that was supposed to be 21-10 is what under 500, and they did not lose their best players.
Indiana lost 1 starter, and lose to Wake and Ucla in Maui, teams you say suck. Then what happened, Crean changed his stripes and his teams started playing defense and they turned things around so that 1 injury is not felt as much.
Michigan lost 1 player , their leading scorer Lavert, but they are a team that lives and dies by the 3 and they get 3-4 guys to step up and hit 3's, including the kid Duncan Robinson, who was playing Division 3 at Williams College.
Rutgers has had no one to replace our frontline , our only low post scorer and one of our best players in Freeman ..
Injuries have devastated our team worst than any other team in the country, not even close.

 

[goru7]

compete is different from winning...judging by losing 41 of 46 and questionable behavior from your two best players, I would say its going to take them a while to learn how to win

Might be the most intelligent thing you have said since a thousand posts ago. Yes teams have to learn how to win. St. John's, Wake, Monmouth, Creighton were all games they did not know how to win or melted down. But when you have better players starting next year and the present starters are bench players that provide depth and contribute and are not asked to be the difference makers , winning becomes a whole lot easier

 

[goru7]

the end game is 12/13 next year and then 500...then Sanders leaves after his junior year, Freeman, Johnson graduate and we go back into the total toilet because Eddie cannt recruit

his class next year is probably rated LAST in the Big 10..what do you have to say about that

How were Sanders, Laurent, Freeman and Johnson rated? Were they not rated last or near the bottom last year as well.
I have seen limited film but Dailey and Isia will contribute and have length , something we have been sorely lacking.

 

[RU_DIO]

How were Sanders, Laurent, Freeman and Johnson rated? Were they not rated last or near the bottom last year as well.
I have seen limited film but Dailey and Isia will contribute and have length , something we have been sorely lacking.

Serious question:

Are you related to Eddie or have a vested interest in the staff maintaining their jobs?

I ask this because how anyone can defend this dumpster fire is beyond me.

Eddie has no way to dig himself out of this hole because he isn't recruiting ENOUGH good players to win. We can debate all day if he can coach or not. We should be all in agreement that he is not recruiting ENOUGH good players and he is generally recruiting projects or players with other question marks.

On top of all this, how is he going to recruit next year unless we extend him?

Let everything I've typed and the other posts which are pro coaching change sink in for a moment.

Most of us on this board have scene this crap for 25 years. We all know how it ends.

 

[RUChoppin]

How were Sanders, Laurent, Freeman and Johnson rated? Were they not rated last or near the bottom last year as well.
I have seen limited film but Dailey and Isia will contribute and have length , something we have been sorely lacking.

Last year, according to 247 sports, we were ranked 9th in the Big Ten and 46th overall.

 

[goru7]

Serious question:

Are you related to Eddie or have a vested interest in the staff maintaining their jobs?

I ask this because how anyone can defend this dumpster fire is beyond me.

Eddie has no way to dig himself out of this hole because he isn't recruiting ENOUGH good players to win. We can debate all day if he can coach or not. We should be all in agreement that he is not recruiting ENOUGH good players and he is generally recruiting projects or players with other question marks.

On top of all this, how is he going to recruit next year unless we extend him?

Let everything I've typed and the other posts which are pro coaching change sink in for a moment.

Most of us on this board have scene this crap for 25 years. We all know how it ends.

You are clueless. Go back to the football board . If you do not think Sanders, Freeman, Johnson and Laurent are not good recruits then put your head in the sand. You might be the only one that does not think so. Do you think any Rutgers coach is going to get a Duke or Kentucky or UNC type recruit? Eddie tried with Briscoe for 17 months and guess what , Coach Cal took him away. St. John's and Rutgers had a chance if he wanted to stay home .i guess you do not keep up with the program but unless Goode transferred out there are no scholarships to give. We will have no seniors next year. I am sure Eddie and his staff continue to recruit in case someone leaves. So not extending him in year 3 of 5 is not an issue as it would normally be. You would not know that because you do not follow the program closely. So please catch up so you don't sound so misinformed.
Finally, I am not related to the staff or Eddie. I root for Rutgers University and have been for 40 years. I , unlike you are a season ticket holder that supports this program, no matter how hard it is to defend because I want the best for the program. A full roster coming back not just next year but for the next 2 years is not a time to blow it up and start over . That my friend is in the best interest of Rutgers University . If you cannot see that I cannot help you.

 

[goru7]

Last year, according to 247 sports, we were ranked 9th in the Big Ten and 46th overall.

Including NIGEL or not? Are transfers counted in the 247 sports ratings?

 

[goru7]

compete is different from winning...judging by losing 41 of 46 and questionable behavior from your two best players, I would say its going to take them a while to learn how to win

As a followup to my last reply to this point, the past game against Penn State was a game that was winnable if our 3 seniors had any type of decent game. Bishop scored the only points of the seniors in the first half with 3 minutes to go in the first half. Grier and Lewis were scoreless . Lewis ended scoreless and did not play a lot in the second half and Grier ended with a late meaningless 3 for 3 whole points. Bishop had 11 of his 13 on the second half. When your 3 seniors combine for 16 total points in the game and 2 points at the half, it is hard to win. Seniors should know how to win but apparently not our 3.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Including NIGEL or not? Are transfers counted in the 247 sports ratings?

247 does not factor in transfers from other D1 schools but does factor in JUCO's. I consider 247 as the most up-to-date database on college bball recruits. For this year's class, both Thiam and Dailey are rated 3 stars by 247, and Tripp is rated 2 stars.

 

[RUChoppin]

Including NIGEL or not? Are transfers counted in the 247 sports ratings?

No. Div-I transfers aren't usually counted in recruiting classes on any site. For instance, PA St. is two spots ahead of us doesn't have UConn transfer Terrence Samuel in their rankings, either.

 

[RU_DIO]

You are clueless. Go back to the football board . If you do not think Sanders, Freeman, Johnson and Laurent are not good recruits then put your head in the sand. You might be the only one that does not think so. Do you think any Rutgers coach is going to get a Duke or Kentucky or UNC type recruit? Eddie tried with Briscoe for 17 months and guess what , Coach Cal took him away. St. John's and Rutgers had a chance if he wanted to stay home .i guess you do not keep up with the program but unless Goode transferred out there are no scholarships to give. We will have no seniors next year. I am sure Eddie and his staff continue to recruit in case someone leaves. So not extending him in year 3 of 5 is not an issue as it would normally be. You would not know that because you do not follow the program closely. So please catch up so you don't sound so misinformed.
Finally, I am not related to the staff or Eddie. I root for Rutgers University and have been for 40 years. I , unlike you are a season ticket holder that supports this program, no matter how hard it is to defend because I want the best for the program. A full roster coming back not just next year but for the next 2 years is not a time to blow it up and start over . That my friend is in the best interest of Rutgers University . If you cannot see that I cannot help you.

Then you have dimentia and reading comprehension issues. I said not ENOUGH good recruits.

It's funny that you or anyone else would still defend this shit show. Im on this board everyday, i have friends that are coaches on Big East teams,know one of our old RU basketball coaches and one of the top 3 high school coaches in the state. And how the F do you know if I'm a season ticket holder or not. Not 1 of these people would defend this coaching staff.

We still have 1 Schollie to give out Einstein. And transfers happen.

 

[G- RUnit]

As a followup to my last reply to this point, the past game against Penn State was a game that was winnable if our 3 seniors had any type of decent game. Bishop scored the only points of the seniors in the first half with 3 minutes to go in the first half. Grier and Lewis were scoreless . Lewis ended scoreless and did not play a lot in the second half and Grier ended with a late meaningless 3 for 3 whole points. Bishop had 11 of his 13 on the second half. When your 3 seniors combine for 16 total points in the game and 2 points at the half, it is hard to win. Seniors should know how to win but apparently not our 3.

Aaah the requisite Daniels bashing! We actually took the lead in the 2nd half. Daniels had a nice game with 5 for 9 shooting. 4 assists and a half dozen assists blown by players dropping passes, stopping cuts and missing shots. Shooting guard goes 2 for 9 from the field but hey its acceptable to blame Daniels. For shame!

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Just think of the coaches with better college resumes than our guy.

Lonergan, Masiello, Pikiell, Schmidt, Will Brown, D. Hurley, Sendek, Greenberg, B.Drew.

Eddie supporters can't separate emotion and fact.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Aaah the requisite Daniels bashing! We actually took the lead in the 2nd half. Daniels had a nice game with 5 for 9 shooting. 4 assists and a half dozen assists blown by players dropping passes, stopping cuts and missing shots. Shooting guard goes 2 for 9 from the field but hey its acceptable to blame Daniels. For shame!

Daniels has 4 turnovers in each of the last 2 games. I like his move where he dribbles straight into a group of defenders and practically hands them the ball.

 

[RutgersYay]

As a followup to my last reply to this point, the past game against Penn State was a game that was winnable if our 3 seniors had any type of decent game. Bishop scored the only points of the seniors in the first half with 3 minutes to go in the first half. Grier and Lewis were scoreless . Lewis ended scoreless and did not play a lot in the second half and Grier ended with a late meaningless 3 for 3 whole points. Bishop had 11 of his 13 on the second half. When your 3 seniors combine for 16 total points in the game and 2 points at the half, it is hard to win. Seniors should know how to win but apparently not our 3.

Well considering Lewis played for 3 years under Jordan, Daniels for 2 years under Jordan.... shouldn't Eddie have taught them how to win?

 

[goru7]

Then you have dimentia and reading comprehension issues. I said not ENOUGH good recruits.

It's funny that you or anyone else would still defend this shit show. Im on this board everyday, i have friends that are coaches on Big East teams,know one of our old RU basketball coaches and one of the top 3 high school coaches in the state. And how the F do you know if I'm a season ticket holder or not. Not 1 of these people would defend this coaching staff.

We still have 1 Schollie to give out Einstein. And transfers happen.

Are u a basketball season ticket holder or not? Not one of your so called friends would blame Eddie for the injuries this year either. But you do . That should explain everything about your opinion

 

[bac2therac]

As a followup to my last reply to this point, the past game against Penn State was a game that was winnable if our 3 seniors had any type of decent game. Bishop scored the only points of the seniors in the first half with 3 minutes to go in the first half. Grier and Lewis were scoreless . Lewis ended scoreless and did not play a lot in the second half and Grier ended with a late meaningless 3 for 3 whole points. Bishop had 11 of his 13 on the second half. When your 3 seniors combine for 16 total points in the game and 2 points at the half, it is hard to win. Seniors should know how to win but apparently not our 3.

the game wasn't winnable because Penn State was going to dictate whether RU had a shot. You make not like it when I say it but RU has faced teams who have sleptwalked at times to let RU back in the game. Credit RU for playing hard and not giving up, I will give them that credit but when these teams wake up the leads immediately go to double digits...see Iowa, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State.

 

[bac2therac]

Are u a basketball season ticket holder or not? Not one of your so called friends would blame Eddie for the injuries this year either. But you do . That should explain everything about your opinion

eddie recruited daniels for the record

 

[goru7]

Aaah the requisite Daniels bashing! We actually took the lead in the 2nd half. Daniels had a nice game with 5 for 9 shooting. 4 assists and a half dozen assists blown by players dropping passes, stopping cuts and missing shots. Shooting guard goes 2 for 9 from the field but hey its acceptable to blame Daniels. For shame!

I never bashed DANIELS ! I said he only had 2 points at the half. He actually had a decent second half. Matter of fact , the second half of the road game at Illinois was his best game of the year with 7 assists and 17 points. My frustration with him is he doesn't play defense, with his athleticism is real shame. I wanted more out of him. He missed 2 dunks can could have been 6 points but ended up 3 points because he missed a foul shot. When he drives hard to the hole and keeps his head up he is great. When he drives into traffic and makes a stupid turnover it is not great.
I do not want to get in the middle of your DANIELS versus Williams debate you have been having all year. My point is our 3 seniors let us down on Saturday , obviously DANIELS much less than the other 2 . Sometimes with a depleted roster , 3 seniors playing real well , can be enough for a W.

 

[goru7]

the game wasn't winnable because Penn State was going to dictate whether RU had a shot. You make not like it when I say it but RU has faced teams who have sleptwalked at times to let RU back in the game. Credit RU for playing hard and not giving up, I will give them that credit but when these teams wake up the leads immediately go to double digits...see Iowa, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State.

3 point defense is the common dominator . When we are undersized and have to help in the post and do not recover in time we get burnt. When we go under screens we get burnt. I have already said that has to change next year . The 3 point differential in those games you list are like 27-30 to 6-9. That is the difference in the games.

 

[G- RUnit]

Daniels has 4 turnovers in each of the last 2 games. I like his move where he dribbles straight into a group of defenders and practically hands them the ball.

Never said he was Bob Cousy but repeatly ripping him is just as ridiculous. Repeated 0 for 12, 2 for 10, 1 for 9 shooting nights by other players far more damaging. Daniels bashers ignore his rebounding and steals too as doesnt fit into the scapegoat narrative.

 

[78CollegeAve]

GORU7 -- Next year's class has 3 players with length, something we have not had. I think the Dailey kid will contribute and Isia is now 6'10 and got better. However , next year we only need them for 5 minutes a game. We will have 4 juniors, 4-5 sophomores and 3-4 freshman and no seniors. You then have the whole team back the following year.

Next year's class. Next year's class. That sounds like Ni-a-ga-ra Falls in the 3 Stooges. I've heard it before.

Wow, so Dailey will contribute and Thiam has both grown and gotten better? And the three bigs will all come back from injuries A-OK? And a spare part combo guard at Kansas State has been coached up to be a B1G star? And Cory gets a transplant from the Scarecrow. Well, geez, don't forget to bring the scissors because we've got nets to cut down next season!

Yeah, bet a year ago you thought that Ryan Johnson and Justin Goode, that diamond in the rough, were going to get their 5 or so minutes a game and be the much-needed shooters with the benefit of their redshirt time. And that Etou and Freeman would make a helluva pair. And that Diallo would be a contributor too after sitting out a year and being coached up by this staff. And, maybe, that Mike W. had remembered how to shoot.

You have no idea how depressing it is if that last underlined sentence is true. In year 5, you're looking at a roster with 2 or 3 B1G-level players on it.
Sanders ... Laurent ... and Freeman if he decides that he wants to play college hoops at age 24 and hurt his leg again without getting paid for it.

 

[ruman]

GORU7 -- Next year's class has 3 players with length, something we have not had. I think the Dailey kid will contribute and Isia is now 6'10 and got better. However , next year we only need them for 5 minutes a game. We will have 4 juniors, 4-5 sophomores and 3-4 freshman and no seniors. You then have the whole team back the following year.

Next year's class. Next year's class. That sounds like Ni-a-ga-ra Falls in the 3 Stooges. I've heard it before.

Wow, so Dailey will contribute and Thiam has both grown and gotten better? And the three bigs will all come back from injuries A-OK? And a spare part combo guard at Kansas State has been coached up to be a B1G star? And Cory gets a transplant from the Scarecrow. Well, geez, don't forget to bring the scissors because we've got nets to cut down next season!

Yeah, bet a year ago you thought that Ryan Johnson and Justin Goode, that diamond in the rough, were going to get their 5 or so minutes a game and be the much-needed shooters with the benefit of their redshirt time. And that Etou and Freeman would make a helluva pair. And that Diallo would be a contributor too after sitting out a year and being coached up by this staff. And, maybe, that Mike W. had remembered how to shoot.

You have no idea how depressing it is if that last underlined sentence is true. In year 5, you're looking at a roster with 2 or 3 B1G-level players on it.
Sanders ... Laurent ... and Freeman if he decides that he wants to play college hoops at age 24 and hurt his leg again without getting paid for it.

Don't forget that Diallo would have started on last years team if eligible - that was the word from practice. I remember hearing he was one of our best 5 players. If only he had been eligible, last year might have been great. We always have such terrible luck.

But next year - now that is gonna be great - we are only just one year away - I can feel it!

 

[ruman]

3 point defense is the common dominator . When we are undersized and have to help in the post and do not recover in time we get burnt. When we go under screens we get burnt. I have already said that has to change next year . The 3 point differential in those games you list are like 27-30 to 6-9. That is the difference in the games.

If our 3 point defense is substantially better next year, that's because we will have made a coaching change.

Our current coach doesn't care about 3 point defense (or practicing rebounding)

 

[RU_DIO]

Are u a basketball season ticket holder or not? Not one of your so called friends would blame Eddie for the injuries this year either. But you do . That should explain everything about your opinion

I blame him for shitty recruiting. Only 1 of the 3 players that are injured are any good at this point in their careers.Can't have season tickets, job and family requirements. My so called friends hooked me up with tickets whenever I needed them, including football, anyway. BTW, Having season tickets doesn't make YOU intelligent.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a 3 year old.

 

[goru7]

GORU7 -- Next year's class has 3 players with length, something we have not had. I think the Dailey kid will contribute and Isia is now 6'10 and got better. However , next year we only need them for 5 minutes a game. We will have 4 juniors, 4-5 sophomores and 3-4 freshman and no seniors. You then have the whole team back the following year.

Next year's class. Next year's class. That sounds like Ni-a-ga-ra Falls in the 3 Stooges. I've heard it before.

Wow, so Dailey will contribute and Thiam has both grown and gotten better? And the three bigs will all come back from injuries A-OK? And a spare part combo guard at Kansas State has been coached up to be a B1G star? And Cory gets a transplant from the Scarecrow. Well, geez, don't forget to bring the scissors because we've got nets to cut down next season!

Yeah, bet a year ago you thought that Ryan Johnson and Justin Goode, that diamond in the rough, were going to get their 5 or so minutes a game and be the much-needed shooters with the benefit of their redshirt time. And that Etou and Freeman would make a helluva pair. And that Diallo would be a contributor too after sitting out a year and being coached up by this staff. And, maybe, that Mike W. had remembered how to shoot.

You have no idea how depressing it is if that last underlined sentence is true. In year 5, you're looking at a roster with 2 or 3 B1G-level players on it.
Sanders ... Laurent ... and Freeman if he decides that he wants to play college hoops at age 24 and hurt his leg again without getting paid for it.

Totally disagree. Next year we will have 4 Big 10 worthy starters, Corey, Freeman, Laurent and Nigel. I guess you think players never get better since you don't think he would be Big 10 worthy. We will find out. Mike and DJ are certainly Big 10 level contributors although maybe not starters. So we are up to 6. The big guys are coming off injuries which is troublesome but I like what I saw out of Shaquille last year. I do not believe asking for 6 points and 6 rebounds and a few blocks is above where they will play to. So we have 6.5 without the freshman.
When have we had a balanced class with depth and length. ? A long time ago. We need some shooters and we need to play defense. So sorry you do not see it that way.

 

[goru7]

I blame him for shitty recruiting. Only 1 of the 3 players that are injured are any good at this point in their careers.Can't have season tickets, job and family requirements. My so called friends hooked me up with tickets whenever I needed them, including football, anyway. BTW, Having season tickets doesn't make YOU intelligent.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a 3 year old.

The three year old that owns you. Now go back to the football board. You are in over your head

 

[ruman]

Just think of the coaches with better college resumes than our guy.

Lonergan, Masiello, Pikiell, Schmidt, Will Brown, D. Hurley, Sendek, Greenberg, B.Drew.

Eddie supporters can't separate emotion and fact.

So do Tommy Amaker, King Rice, Tim Cluess, Jimmy Pantos, Jeff Neubauer, Pat Skerry, Joe Dooley, Kevin Keatts and Joe Mihalich. All have managed to keep their teams sub 250 in the KenPom rankings too (amazing!)

For anyone counting, those are 18 coaches that would consider coming here. Probably around 14 would definitely take the job.

 

[goru7]

If our 3 point defense is substantially better next year, that's because we will have made a coaching change.

Our current coach doesn't care about 3 point defense (or practicing rebounding)

Might be true but I think he pulls a Crean and realizes you have to play defense to win . That is the more likely scenario , otherwise we will not win and you get your wish to start over

 

[RU_DIO]

I really hope you're mentally challenged. No other excuse for the dumbness.

 

[goru7]

No. Div-I transfers aren't usually counted in recruiting classes on any site. For instance, PA St. is two spots ahead of us doesn't have UConn transfer Terrence Samuel in their rankings, either.

So hard to tell because most Big 10 teams do not have to play their freshman a lot, but it appears Sanders and Laurent have overachieved the 9th out of 14 teams ranking , even with Freeman hurt. Again cannot tell how good a lot of the freshman are because they do not play as much as ours , but only a few stand out. Swanigan, Stone, Lyles, off the top of my head.

 

[78CollegeAve]

Totally disagree. Next year we will have 4 Big 10 worthy starters, Corey, Freeman, Laurent and Nigel. I guess you think players never get better since you don't think he would be Big 10 worthy. We will find out. Mike and DJ are certainly Big 10 level contributors although maybe not starters. So we are up to 6. The big guys are coming off injuries which is troublesome but I like what I saw out of Shaquille last year. I do not believe asking for 6 points and 6 rebounds and a few blocks is above where they will play to. So we have 6.5 without the freshman.
When have we had a balanced class with depth and length. ? A long time ago. We need some shooters and we need to play defense. So sorry you do not see it that way.

Give you the benefit of the doubt -- you're happy with maybe (?) 4 starters that won't be embarrassing and maybe 6.5 players in YEAR FREAKING FOUR ? Where is the evidence in the last 2 years that this staff is capable of turning a B12 back-up into a legitimate B1G starter (well, on any team not named Rutgers)? Is Williams or Foreman any better than a year ago? Lewis any better than in Year 1 or 2? Is Daniels any ... no, let's not go there.

Kids get better when they have good coaching, not because they have another birthday. And, the current assistants are low-major, at best. Dalip and Shoes gonna raise a kid to the next level? Van? C'mon, be serious.