And blown out by those teams by an average of 23 points.
Sounds just a tad familiar.
Hopefully our AD is paying close attention.
Sounds just a tad familiar.
Hopefully our AD is paying close attention.
Edsall was 0-11 against ranked teams
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The problem is MD wants to produce a winning program and RU wants to save money.
Some of our fans have the mentality that if we win atleast four games Flood should be brought back, blowouts and losses to ranked teams don't even enter the equation.
Wow. Unlike RU, looks like they understand the economics of losing.
No. There is no fan "mentality" behind it. Its called reality. Whether or not he "should" be brought back isn't a factor. If he wins 4+ he's probably not going anywhere plain and simple. This is Rutgers. We do not make bold moves.
We really lower our expectations to 4 wins. Next year expectation is 2 wins.
Firing Flood isn't a bold move, he should've been fired already...the only folks that would object to it are the same ones that say 4 wins is enough to keep him.
I just took a look at all the time RU results out of curiosity to see the last win against a ranked opponent. In the Flood era, we are 0-7 against ranked opponents. We haven't defeated a ranked opponent since 11/12/2009 against #23/24 USF. If that isn't good enough for you, our last respectable ranked opponent win was against #17/20 Pitt 10/25/2008.
http://www.scarletknights.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/results.html
What a sobering reminder of how far we have to go. This Saturday night would be a great start no doubt. But if we do decide to go in a different direction after this year, I want a frieken HC who can finally knock off some ranked opponents and dare I say consistently? Might be too much to ask but we all certainly deserve it and that's the fastest way to become the national darling again. Big. Noticeable. Victories.
http://www.scarletknights.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/results.html
What a sobering reminder of how far we have to go. This Saturday night would be a great start no doubt. But if we do decide to go in a different direction after this year, I want a frieken HC who can finally knock off some ranked opponents and dare I say consistently? Might be too much to ask but we all certainly deserve it and that's the fastest way to become the national darling again. Big. Noticeable. Victories.
For us it is. Gotta take off the fan goggles. When's the last time we fired any coach this early for under performing? You have to realize that RU administration are not Scarletnation fanatics. Do you think they care about total wins against ranked opponents and all this other stuff? W and L is as far it goes for them, they are worried about $$$.
As far as they're concerned, Flood is 25-18 and has gone to 3 straight bowl games which is "good enough for now". This is Rutgers. When evaluating coaches, administration asks themselves "could it POSSIBLY be any worse?" if the answer is yes, then he stays... And fact is, we could do worse than 4+ wins for one season. We would have to be in full blown Terry Shea mode for him to get chopped now. It's just the truth.
I don't think anyone here thinks 4 wins is acceptable or a reason to keep him, I just think some fans here have a better grasp on reality than others. Its all fine and well to stamp your feet and shout that RU should further increase the athletics subsidy to buy a shiny new coaching staff, but most of us realize its not that simple.
Julie will make a move when there is a move to make and the donor money is lined up. That's the reality of the situation. I do think a 4 win year will force her hand though.
Oh but the season is young. If we experience a string of blow out losses including one to Indiana I'd call that full blown Terry Shea mode. Also, you are not taking the off field stuff into account. I agree in the past RU usually would keep a 25-18 coach with 3 straight non losing regular seasons (that's simply what a bowl game represents now, 6-6) but off the field the University has NEVER been embarassed this much by the members of one athletic program and people are pissed. Plus Julie actually has a bigger set of balls than some her male predecessors and will do whatever she can to put her stamp on this football program.
So ... while I absolutely agree that I want to see wins against top 25 teams by RU, I think your stats may not tell the entire story.
First, of the 4-8 record Schiano had against top 25 teams in his last few years, how many were against teams ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season (i.e. 3 of the top 25 wins were against teams ranked at the time RU played them, but by the end of the season those 3 teams beaten by RU were not ranked).
Second, how many coaches of teams who are not REGULAR top 25 programs actually beat top 25 teams? For example, James Franklin is 1-10 as a head coach against top 25 teams ... though his teams have been generally and roughly competitive more often than not ... but still losing almost all of them. That was just 1 coach... the hall mark of even solid teams, if they are not regular top 25 programs, is that they generally lose to top 25 ranked teams and beat other teams.
Whoever RU's coach is, RU will start beating top 25 teams when RU IS a top 25 team ... that is kind of the how it works. And when RU can REGULARLY beat top 25 teams, that will probably mean RU has become a true top 25 PROGRAM, not merely just a top 25 team in any one season.
At least part of the reason they were not ranked at the end of the season is that we beat them. A loss tends to move you down in the rankings. Just saying
this is what boggles my mind..that they think a coach who has all the off field perception issues and has no particular recruiting strain can afford to finish 4-8 and then just bounce back the following season on the field and in recruiting. Actually I know what they are thinking...they believe 6-6 after 4-8 is a grand success and he deserves another extension. Bar kepts getting lower.
as for Edsall...didn't he beat BE champ Louisville the week before they played RU..at the same time RU didn't show up and was routed by Pitt missing a shot at clinching the BCS bid
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1 loss does not take you out of the Top 25. So that team would have to be beat by a number of other teams, which means they likely weren't as good as their Top 25 ranking implied when we beat them. This is Jelly's point.
Don't worry guys, I'm sure you will make your voice heard loud enough so that the RU management will make a rash decision and get us a coach that will give us 4 wins every year for the next 10 years. But as long as its a new coach losing for us, right? Edit:sorry for the over the top comment but you guys are crazy to think that we are simply going to buy our way out of mediocrity in 2015.
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Why does hiring a more qualified P5 HC mean we will go 4-8 every year? So you're saying outside of a home run hire like Meyer/Saban/Harbaugh...whom we are not getting no matter what...that no other football coach in the country can do a better job at Rutgers than Kyle flood?
This. Apparently our Adminstration is content with a Coach who has an abysmal record against Winning Teams, 2-14 since October 2012. Maryland who have canned Fudd long ago.
No. What I am saying is that there is no coach that is that much better than Flood that would take the job given our constraints. Three years from now that is a different story. I also want to note that I still think that Flood can get us a .500 record most years. He was 3 games over .500 last year, he will probably be 2-4 games under .500 this year.
Bull, and you know it.
Dino Babers makes a fraction of what Flood does, and has 2 B1G wins this year. How many is Flood going to have? Pete Lembo nearly beat Northwestern. Makes a fraction of what Flood does as well.
Hell, Pat Fitzgerald makes 200k more than Flood...and this job is way easier than that one.
Neither you nor any Floodie knows who would come here. If you think a top p5 assistant or MAC/AAC coach would not come here for Flood's salary, you are so, so, mistaken. Dan Mullen was ready to come here.
Just stop with the excuses.
And am I the only one who notices that the best Floodie defense...is....well competence is pricey so stick to the guy who puts his incompetence in writing?
If Flood does get fired, please, remember keep this post handy. I will remind you that you thought that some up and coming coach was going to come here because the second lowest salary in all of power 5 football with no promise of any upgrade was so much better than the next power 5 job that will open up.
The ironic thing about this thread is that there was a sizable contingent on this board who oogled over HCRE and preferred him over Schiano. Now posters are comparing him to Flood and pining for the return of Schiano. I'm sure some of the same people will want Schiano (if he comes back) or whoever replaces Flood out after a few years.
Some of you guys kill me. Nobody will come here? Are you kidding me? There are only about 65 head coach jobs at p5 schools in the entire country. It is the pinnacle of coaching except for the NFL, which has even fewer such jobs and they're even harder to get. Guys coach for years and decades for the chance to be a div 1a head coach. They would run out of their own mothers funeral to take a call from their agent about an offer.
