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Ex-Miami TE Jerome Washington close to signing with Rutgers

These kind of transfers rarely work out, but law of averages say one will eventually, maybe he'll be the one. Washington hasn't played much football vs good competition, but he has size. David Njoku is a budding star at Miami , not sure why Washington didnt want to compete there.
 
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Do we really want to take someone who possibly couldn't get the grades in high school?
 
RUwoz said:
Do we really want to take someone who possibly couldn't get the grades in high school?
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Plenty of people who didn't do great in high school, whether it be immaturity or a learning curve, have went on to be quite successful. If the kid is eligible, made it a point to get his academics up. Why not give him a try. Some on this board act like they were the fully mature/well rounded men at 16-17.
 
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RUwoz said:
Do we really want to take someone who possibly couldn't get the grades in high school?
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Only if you want to field a competitive college football team. No, we aren't ND or Stanford. If you pass the clearinghouse we welcome you with open arms. See our SAM linebacker as exhibit #1.
 
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RUwoz said:
Do we really want to take someone who possibly couldn't get the grades in high school?
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Allow me to pile on. You don't know that he couldn't get good grades in HS. You only know that he didn't.
Also, what everybody else said. We're trying to build a competitive football team. If it means taking a few players who are either uninterested or incapable of being stellar students, so be it.

When we're winning national championships, we can talk about being more picky about such stuff.
 
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Rutgers has excellent mentoring for RU athletics. The head football coach might ever write your paper. Oh wait, that was the prior regime.

Seriously, though. RU does have a good program and if given some effort, the kid will keep himself eligible.
 
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mildone said:
Allow me to pile on. You don't know that he couldn't get good grades in HS. You only know that he didn't.
Also, what everybody else said. We're trying to build a competitive football team. If it means taking a few players who are either uninterested or incapable of being stellar students, so be it.

When we're winning national championships, we can talk about being more picky about such stuff.
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+1 on all of this. And god forbid, maybe we could help a few people in the process. There are many reasons why people don't do well in school. If we provide the proper environment and support (which I think we do), who knows what people could achieve?
 
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jmg75 said:
+1 on all of this. And god forbid, maybe we could help a few people in the process. There are many reasons why people don't do well in school. If we provide the proper environment and support (which I think we do), who knows what people could achieve?
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Major props for this post.
 
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jmg75 said:
+1 on all of this. And god forbid, maybe we could help a few people in the process. There are many reasons why people don't do well in school. If we provide the proper environment and support (which I think we do), who knows what people could achieve?
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This was Jerry tarkanian's logic at UNLV. So let's adopt that at Rutgers
 
vkj91 said:
Only if you want to field a competitive college football team. No, we aren't ND or Stanford. If you pass the clearinghouse we welcome you with open arms. See our SAM linebacker as exhibit #1.
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???? Isn't that LB joining the team next year ?
Hopefully he qualifies and Ash has a scholarship spot for him.
 
Plum Street said:
This was Jerry tarkanian's logic at UNLV. So let's adopt that at Rutgers
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Seriously, aren't you the win at all cost guy? Just win baby is how you put it. Your posts in the coaching hire threads were particularly elegant to that point.
 
RUwoz said:
Do we really want to take someone who possibly couldn't get the grades in high school?
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don't want to pile on, but I don't see anything wrong with giving the kid a second chance (I assume we're not breaking some kind of rule by recruiting him.). As pointed out by another, RU has an excellent academic support program; and who knows; he may have grown up a lot since high school, even assuming his grades there were a problem.
 
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camdenlawprof said:
don't want to pile on, but I don't see anything wrong with giving the kid a second chance (I assume we're not breaking some kind of rule by recruiting him.). As pointed out by another, RU has an excellent academic support program; and who knows; he may have grown up a lot since high school, even assuming his grades there were a problem.
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Very seldom is a bad high school student suddenly a great college student and vice versa . That's why the Ivy League doesn't go shopping for high school grads that are working in the mall . Now a bad student that plays football we can always find room for
 
Plum Street said:
Very seldom is a bad high school student suddenly a great college student and vice versa . That's why the Ivy League doesn't go shopping for high school grads that are working in the mall . Now a bad student that plays football we can always find room for
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Sorry Plum, but I can't agree with this. Poor high school students can turn into good college students, and many do. I am a former high school science teacher and my wife taught high school for 38 years before she recently retired. Both of us have seen any number of people figure it out and excel once they got to college. Sometimes it's getting away to a different and better environment, sometimes it is just learning how to learn. Some kids don't have any idea how to study, some never learned how to take notes, some lived in a house so fractious they didn't do much of anything except survive. There are myriad reasons why people fail to succeed early on but find success later. I think we help people do that at Rutgers. I'm not a Pollyanna, but I believe in giving people the chance to realize their potential. If they don't want to do that once they get here, than so be it.
 
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Gotcha thanks.
I was thinking about LB Sidney Gopre ...hope he makes it to RU next season.
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And I don't want to make it sound like he's a dumb kid or poor student...I don't know if he is or isn't. I simply know he was cleared by the skin of his teeth. He might have struggled early on in HS, not been prepared well for HS, or maybe he is simply lazy in the classroom. Regardless, he got cleared and by all accounts is doing well enough to stay eligible so props to him.
 
jmg75 said:
Sorry Plum, but I can't agree with this. Poor high school students can turn into good college students, and many do. I am a former high school science teacher and my wife taught high school for 38 years before she recently retired. Both of us have seen any number of people figure it out and excel once they got to college. Sometimes it's getting away to a different and better environment, sometimes it is just learning how to learn. Some kids don't have any idea how to study, some never learned how to take notes, some lived in a house so fractious they didn't do much of anything except survive. There are myriad reasons why people fail to succeed early on but find success later. I think we help people do that at Rutgers. I'm not a Pollyanna, but I believe in giving people the chance to realize their potential. If they don't want to do that once they get here, than so be it.
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Good post. I was that kid in high school that was the dumbest kid in honors classes. High school never made sense to me going to the same classes every day. I get to Rutgers and everything made sense. Maybe I'm an exception but I see the same traits in my son and other kids as well. Some students thrive in a faster paced environment.
 
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Sorry Plum, but I can't agree with this. Poor high school students can turn into good college students, and many do. I am a former high school science teacher and my wife taught high school for 38 years before she recently retired. Both of us have seen any number of people figure it out and excel once they got to college. Sometimes it's getting away to a different and better environment, sometimes it is just learning how to learn. Some kids don't have any idea how to study, some never learned how to take notes, some lived in a house so fractious they didn't do much of anything except survive. There are myriad reasons why people fail to succeed early on but find success later. I think we help people do that at Rutgers. I'm not a Pollyanna, but I believe in giving people the chance to realize their potential. If they don't want to do that once they get here, than so be it.
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I am sure that's true . I am just saying that there are measures in place and colleges judge potential applicants on what they do in high school .
I am ok with helping people at Rutgers - I am very ok with helping people that are good football players at Rutgers
 
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Very seldom is a bad high school student suddenly a great college student and vice versa . That's why the Ivy League doesn't go shopping for high school grads that are working in the mall . Now a bad student that plays football we can always find room for
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He doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to get OK grades at Rutgers. If he commits himself to following the requirements of the academic support program, and if he majors in a non-technical field, he has a respectable shot. It may be that his problem is not that he lacks brains, but that he lacks structure. Students frequently improve their study habits and dedication in college.

BTW, I think the entire athletic program would disagree with your last sentence. This is an academic institution, and there is no point recruiting someone who we know can't do the work. But that's not true of this young man.
 
camdenlawprof said:
He doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to get OK grades at Rutgers. If he commits himself to following the requirements of the academic support program, and if he majors in a non-technical field, he has a respectable shot. It may be that his problem is not that he lacks brains, but that he lacks structure. Students frequently improve their study habits and dedication in college.

BTW, I think the entire athletic program would disagree with your last sentence. This is an academic institution, and there is no point recruiting someone who we know can't do the work. But that's not true of this young man.
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On record the athletic department would disagree with my last sentence . Off the record they would say they want guys that can play . Ash isn't getting judged on how many guys he graduates .
 
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On record the athletic department would disagree with my last sentence . Off the record they would say they want guys that can play . Ash isn't getting judged on how many guys he graduates .
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You have a talent for last sentences that are wrong. I can assure you that President Barchi cares about the academic success rate of athletes, including football players. Whatever else you may think of Schiano, he greatly improved academic support and made it clear to his players that success in the classroom was important. Ash seems to be doing the same.
 
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You have a talent for last sentences that are wrong. I can assure you that President Barchi cares about the academic success rate of athletes, including football players. Whatever else you may think of Schiano, he greatly improved academic support and made it clear to his players that success in the classroom was important. Ash seems to be doing the same.
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Listen , I think you mean well and i agree that academics should matter . But the fact is they really don't . Barchi isn't a football or basketball coach . And yeah sure schiano did a lot to supposedly improve academic support. But check the media coverage of when he left for tampa bay , did they mention his football record at Rutgers or his academic accomplishments ? The latter was not mentioned Do you think urban Meyer cared how many Rutgers players graduated under schiano or can he coach up the Buckeyes defense ?
Camden, I don't disagree with you . I am just telling you how it is at this level .
 
Plum Street said:
I am sure that's true . I am just saying that there are measures in place and colleges judge potential applicants on what they do in high school .
I am ok with helping people at Rutgers - I am very ok with helping people that are good football players at Rutgers
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Good enough. :)
 
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Listen , I think you mean well and i agree that academics should matter . But the fact is they really don't . Barchi isn't a football or basketball coach . And yeah sure schiano did a lot to supposedly improve academic support. But check the media coverage of when he left for tampa bay , did they mention his football record at Rutgers or his academic accomplishments ? The latter was not mentioned Do you think urban Meyer cared how many Rutgers players graduated under schiano or can he coach up the Buckeyes defense ?
Camden, I don't disagree with you . I am just telling you how it is at this level .
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Most players at most schools are not going to the NFL, whether they think they might be or not. A good coach cares about his players, and for most of them, that includes caring about whether they get a degree if they are not going to play on Sundays. I spent a lot of time at RU working with athletes on academics; the coaches I interacted with were super focused on winning for sure, but they also were sincerely concerned about their kids' academic success.

As for not being a good student in HS, but successful in college, an anecdote. I have a nephew who got thrown out of high school his last semester. He is now a quantum information physicist at one of the top three universities in the world in this field. Sometimes folks change.
 
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Plum Street said:
Listen , I think you mean well and i agree that academics should matter . But the fact is they really don't . Barchi isn't a football or basketball coach . And yeah sure schiano did a lot to supposedly improve academic support. But check the media coverage of when he left for tampa bay , did they mention his football record at Rutgers or his academic accomplishments ? The latter was not mentioned Do you think urban Meyer cared how many Rutgers players graduated under schiano or can he coach up the Buckeyes defense ?
Camden, I don't disagree with you . I am just telling you how it is at this level .
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Thank you SO much for explaining to this 28 year season ticket holder and Rutgers donor "how it is at this level".

You're one stupid post from my ignore list.
 
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Ok . . . . . . . I admit. I'm not sure how to teach that. . . . . . . Can we talk about
Chemistry perhaps? Or Physical Science? That I can do. :)
 
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