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Had to wait for the PSU loss before posting.

I dislike the subjectivity and politics surrounding the selection of the four "best" teams for the playoffs. Not to mention a Power 5 champ being left out. Make the Regular season count.

With a 6 team field you can take all five power 5 champs (Big 12 Campionship is coming). For the 6th slot you "award" the best remaining power 5 team OR You can award a deserving Group of 5 team (if they have a truly remarkable year).

The only subjective decisions that have to be made are which are the top 2 teams (they would get a first round bye) and which team deserves the 6th spot. You play your way in by winning your conference.... SIMPLE, FAIR, and IN LINE with every other sport where you are awarded for earning it and not just looking like you did.

Thoughts?
 
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Good idea but giving 2 teams a bye is still like choosing the top 4 .. those who are good but don't get the spot will complain. Also conference bias will come out -if the SEC and B1G get it every year etc
 
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I still prefer picking four AFTER the bowls. If you're going to expand the current system, it should be eight. I'd want the best G5 team in automatically (just so there is no debate about it, one less war of words would help the process) and then two at-larges along with five champs. Make conference championships mean something, but have TWO slots for those who don't win one.
 
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BigRnj said:
Had to wait for the PSU loss before posting.

I dislike the subjectivity and politics surrounding the selection of the four "best" teams for the playoffs. Not to mention a Power 5 champ being left out. Make the Regular season count.

With a 6 team field you can take all five power 5 champs (Big 12 Campionship is coming). For the 6th slot you "award" the best remaining power 5 team OR You can award a deserving Group of 5 team (if they have a truly remarkable year).

The only subjective decisions that have to be made are which are the top 2 teams (they would get a first round bye) and which team deserves the 6th spot. You play your way in by winning your conference.... SIMPLE, FAIR, and IN LINE with every other sport where you are awarded for earning it and not just looking like you did.

Thoughts?
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I have been saying this since they went to 4. 6 is the ideal number, not 8. 8 waters down the regular season. 6 rewards the top two teams with a bye and allows in only one nonP5 conference winner, so OOC will still matter.
 
BigRnj said:
Had to wait for the PSU loss before posting.

I dislike the subjectivity and politics surrounding the selection of the four "best" teams for the playoffs. Not to mention a Power 5 champ being left out. Make the Regular season count.

With a 6 team field you can take all five power 5 champs (Big 12 Campionship is coming). For the 6th slot you "award" the best remaining power 5 team OR You can award a deserving Group of 5 team (if they have a truly remarkable year).

The only subjective decisions that have to be made are which are the top 2 teams (they would get a first round bye) and which team deserves the 6th spot. You play your way in by winning your conference.... SIMPLE, FAIR, and IN LINE with every other sport where you are awarded for earning it and not just looking like you did.

Thoughts?
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This is a similar post-season plan that I stated in the other thread. I like the 6 rather than 8 because it makes winning your division, and then conference very important, with the conf champs of the 5 power conferences with autobids. Have 2 non-power 5s compete in a play-in game for spot number 6.

If worried about OOC scheduling suffering, have the 5 Power conferences go to 10 or 11 game in-conference schedule, with just the one 1aa each.
 
PhDKnight said:
I have been saying this since they went to 4. 6 is the ideal number, not 8. 8 waters down the regular season. 6 rewards the top two teams with a bye and allows in only one nonP5 conference winner, so OOC will still matter.
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How does 8 water down the regular season? 2 at large teams vs. 4...makes OOC much more important. Conference Championships count..makes conference play much more important. With Group of 5 in..makes the mid major programs play for something.

If ONLY conference champions get in...OOC is COMPLETELY meaningless. Still need 1 or 2 at-large teams to make out of conference play mean something.
 
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8 - NO DAMNED BYES.. byes suck.. prove it on the field.

And if you really want to have fun.. how about every year that ends in a zero (once a decade) we don't have a regular football season.. instead we have a tournament all season long including every FBS team. Something like double elimination with the "losers" still getting matched up after they are eliminated from contention... with an effort to get enough home games for all. And you do not "seed" it. You go random matchups with no pretensions about which team is best. Yeah, you could get Alabama playing 3-4 non-P5 teams before teh winners bracket makes things more interesting... but that's not much different than what happens today.. except Bama might be visiting 2 of them.
 
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Yeah no 6. You are trying to get rid of the subjectivity by making sure every league gets their champion in but then you add the subjectivity by deciding which two teams gets a bye. Its gotta be either 8 or 4.
 
Did you people watch the game last night??
Neither of those teams deserve to be in the playoff! Zero defense.
 
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8 or 16 would make sense. Bowl season has lost in glamour with me. I think the exclusive deals ESPN have has killed bowl season.

I miss the years with multiple games at the same time. Yesterday was good with 2 1pm games and the Winter classic. By 5 I was not really interested in watching the Rose bowl and did not watch the Sugar bowl.

Bowls are not really a reward any more. Many bowls cause schools to lose money because of travel, hotels, and ticket guarantees. When you look at some of the lower games they start as early as Dec 17. If we were in the Boca Raton bowl it is on a Tuesday before xmas. Maybe we sell 5000 tickets through the school but more likely will need to eat 2500 tickets. Because ESPN wants exclusive games you won't see this game on Dec 26 because there is another game that day and ESPN does not want 2 bowl games on at the same time.

When you have 6-6 teams in bowls before xmas it is not really a reward for a good season and fans are not enthused.
 
Why expand the playoffs. The last 2 years the top 2 seeds won their games in blowouts.

My point is that in college football their is a big disparity between the top couple teams and even other top 10 teams. Increasing the playoff teams won't change the end result.
 
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Why expand the playoffs. The last 2 years the top 2 seeds won their games in blowouts.

My point is that in college football their is a big disparity between the top couple teams and even other top 10 teams. Increasing the playoff teams won't change the end result.
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Perfect. If end result won't change, why not just do it. More meaningful games.
 
mikemarc1 said:
Not sure what this means. You're going to play the Bowl game anyway. Make the winner advance.
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Playoffs should only be for the top teams, everyone else should just play bowl games.

4 teams is almost too much as it is. The last few years proved that already.
 
BigRnj said:
Had to wait for the PSU loss before posting.

I dislike the subjectivity and politics surrounding the selection of the four "best" teams for the playoffs. Not to mention a Power 5 champ being left out. Make the Regular season count.

With a 6 team field you can take all five power 5 champs (Big 12 Campionship is coming). For the 6th slot you "award" the best remaining power 5 team OR You can award a deserving Group of 5 team (if they have a truly remarkable year).

The only subjective decisions that have to be made are which are the top 2 teams (they would get a first round bye) and which team deserves the 6th spot. You play your way in by winning your conference.... SIMPLE, FAIR, and IN LINE with every other sport where you are awarded for earning it and not just looking like you did.

Thoughts?
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Going to six would create two groups of people complaining. Now you only have those that were ranked 5 or 6 complaining about not making the playoffs go to six, you with have those ranked 7 or 8 complaining as well as those ranked 3 and 4 complaining about having to play an extra game. Either stay at 4 or go to 8.
 
In other sports you have 64 teams making the post season, and # 65 to #70 complain that they were left out.

Been there, done that.

In football, there is a huge difference between 1-2 and everyone else. All a 4 team playoff does is make sure that the committee picks the correct 1 and 2, the other two teams are just there to get blown out so we can get the the real NC game.

Teams 5 to 8 are pretty far removed from 1 and 2, they would stand little chance.

This isn't MBB, where there is a chance of an upset or anything.

Feeding them to the loins is a huge waste, just let them play for Bowl championships, that way they and their fans can have fun and win something.

CFB isn't the NFL.
 
Scarlet_Scourge said:
Playoffs should only be for the top teams, everyone else should just play bowl games.

4 teams is almost too much as it is. The last few years proved that already.
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Agree to disagree. Best part of playoffs, and tournaments, are seeing top seeds fails. The upsets. If 4 teams is almost too much as you are saying, fine. Let them prove it on the field, not in a conference room with athletic execs.

Make the New Years 6 Bowls mean something. 4 of them Qtrs...2 of them Semis. Rotate annually. There will be MUCH more hype and better for the sport, in my opinion.
 
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Scarlet_Scourge said:
In other sports you have 64 teams making the post season, and # 65 to #70 complain that they were left out.

Been there, done that.

In football, there is a huge difference between 1-2 and everyone else. All a 4 team playoff does is make sure that the committee picks the correct 1 and 2, the other two teams are just there to get blown out so we can get the the real NC game.

Teams 5 to 8 are pretty far removed from 1 and 2, they would stand little chance.

This isn't MBB, where there is a chance of an upset or anything.

Feeding them to the loins is a huge waste, just let them play for Bowl championships, that way they and their fans can have fun and win something.

CFB isn't the NFL.
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This...
The point of picking 4 teams is not to get the top 4 teams. It's to ensure the top 1 team is in the group of 4. Just like in the BCS era, the point was not to pick the 2 best teams, it was to make sure you got the best 1 in the championship game.

Something else to keep in mind.
A playoff does not ensure the best team wins (Giants 2007, most NHL, NFL, MLB, NCAAMB seasons);
BCS did not ensure the best team won;
Pre-BCS "simply voting on the best team" did not ensure the best team won.

Honestly, I don't think any one way is more accurate than than others.

College football picks it's champion differently than almost any other sport, it adds a different kind of excitement, and I don't think it's worse than any other method.

I personally think the 4 team playoff is too much. It has eliminated meaning from most of the bowl games, which in turn has devalued the entire season for the majority of college football teams with no real shot at the playoff.

Go back to top AP vote getter! (Actually, I liked the BCS method the best)
 
8 teams. 5 P5 conference champs. 2 highest rated and 1 G5 champ. Break up the NYD bowl committee cartel and have top 4 teams host games. Next two rounds bring in the bowl committees for their sites. This has never been about what's best for college football it's what's best for these FIFA like bowl committees and networks.

GO RU
 
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I really do not get this push for 8 teams...why? just to have more games and really dillute things and start inviting teams with 3 losses to declare them the national champion.

football is different than basketball...the NCAA tourney is a unique event that cannot be replicated and should not be replicated in football. If you can tell me why 8 is better than 4 please do, for one there will always be a cutoff where one school will bitch they got left out. I think people see some of these games after bowl season is over and say oh this team should have been in, no thats not how it works..teams have 12 games to make their mark, just because a school like Oklahoma performed well in their bowl game doesnt mean they should have been in a playoff game.
 
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I really do not get this push for 8 teams...why? just to have more games and really dillute things and start inviting teams with 3 losses to declare them the national champion.

football is different than basketball...the NCAA tourney is a unique event that cannot be replicated and should not be replicated in football. If you can tell me why 8 is better than 4 please do, for one there will always be a cutoff where one school will bitch they got left out. I think people see some of these games after bowl season is over and say oh this team should have been in, no thats not how it works..teams have 12 games to make their mark, just because a school like Oklahoma performed well in their bowl game doesnt mean they should have been in a playoff game.
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What is being diluted if you are making more bowl games meaningful? I've stated WHY i think they should expand.

Less AT Large teams makes OOC games more meaningful. Each Power 5 conference championship getting an invite makes In conference games, and especially the conf. champ, much more meaningful. And having the Group of 5's best team makes all of those teams play for something.
 
mikemarc1 said:
What is being diluted if you are making more bowl games meaningful? I've stated WHY i think they should expand.

Less AT Large teams makes OOC games more meaningful. Each Power 5 conference championship getting an invite makes In conference games, and especially the conf. champ, much more meaningful. And having the Group of 5's best team makes all of those teams play for something.
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then you add 3 schools who do not deserve it and if one school with 3 losses gets a favorable matchup and maybe reaches the final, what does that accomplish...are we seeing the best teams play....I want to see the best 4 schools play, I dont want to see schools play just to have more access and teams. Non conference play is what determines what Power 5 school is going to be left out. The Big 12 didnt deserve their conference champion this year.
 
Under OP's approach you are NOT making the regular season count, at least not the full regular season. You are making the intra-conference portion of the regular season count.

Go to eight - the five P5 champs and the highest rated G5 champ. Let the committee pick two at-large based on overall body of work, including OOC. Then and only then will the full regular season count.
 
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then you add 3 schools who do not deserve it and if one school with 3 losses gets a favorable matchup and maybe reaches the final, what does that accomplish...are we seeing the best teams play....I want to see the best 4 schools play, I dont want to see schools play just to have more access and teams. Non conference play is what determines what Power 5 school is going to be left out. The Big 12 didnt deserve their conference champion this year.
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Did you watch this year's Rose Bowl? Did you watch this year's Cotton Bowl? Did you watch this year's Orange Bowl? Did you watch this year's Sugar Bowl?

You're telling me you wouldn't watch these 4 games, if they meant the winner would go to the Semis? Just cause they aren't the best teams?

Under my plan,

1. Alabama vs. 8. Western Michigan - Sugar, (much more intrigue than Auburn/Oklahoma)
2. Clemson vs. 7. Michigan - Orange - (Similar matchup with FSU/Michigan...but meaningful.)
3. Washington vs. 6. Ohio State - Rose - (Similar to USC/Penn State, but again, meaningful.)
4. Penn State vs. 5. Oklahoma - Cotton - (Blows out Wisconsin/Western Michigan.)
 
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mikemarc1 said:
Did you watch this year's Rose Bowl? Did you watch this year's Cotton Bowl? Did you watch this year's Orange Bowl? Did you watch this year's Sugar Bowl?

You're telling me you wouldn't watch these 4 games, if they meant the winner would go to the Semis? Just cause they aren't the best teams?

Under my plan,

1. Alabama vs. 8. Western Michigan - Sugar, (much more intrigue than Auburn/Oklahoma)
2. Clemson vs. 7. Michigan - Orange - (Similar matchup with FSU/Michigan...but meaningful.)
3. Washington vs. 6. Ohio State - Rose - (Similar to USC/Penn State, but again, meaningful.)
4. Penn State vs. 5. Oklahoma - Cotton - (Blows out Wisconsin/Western Michigan.)
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I'm sure glad you are not in charge of making the plans!!
 
an 8 team playoff makes too much sense so it won't happen. The problem is it will remove a lot of the bowl committee collusion. These committees survive with their board of director's making 6 figure salaries because schools are forced to sell 1000s of their tickets at higher prices than from other sources.
 
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Why did baseball add division rounds and wildcards?
Why does the NFL have wildcards?
Why do 1/2 the NBA and NHL get in the post season?

Simple - Playoffs sell. We love playoffs, eat em up like candy. No doubt that CFB is eventually going to 8. And it will get lapped up.
 
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If it ever expands to 6 or 8 it will be ONLY for business reasons aka MONEY for ESPN and nothing more.

It sure as hell won't be for fairness and it will only delay the main event aka bad for fans.
 
Scarlet_Scourge said:
If it ever expands to 6 or 8 it will be ONLY for business reasons aka MONEY for ESPN and nothing more.

It sure as hell won't be for fairness and it will only delay the main event aka bad for fans.
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I agree, it will be expanded because of money. But when you have a perfect 13-0 team NOT able to play for a Championship, that's not fair.
 
PhDKnight said:
I have been saying this since they went to 4. 6 is the ideal number, not 8. 8 waters down the regular season. 6 rewards the top two teams with a bye and allows in only one nonP5 conference winner, so OOC will still matter.
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So you've been wrong longer than the OP. Noted.

Expand to 8, not 6.
 
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PhDKnight said:
I have been saying this since they went to 4. 6 is the ideal number, not 8. 8 waters down the regular season. 6 rewards the top two teams with a bye and allows in only one nonP5 conference winner, so OOC will still matter.
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Still haven't heard why/how 8 wates down the regular season....

Makes conference wins MUCH more important if CC is guaranteed. And if so, only 2 at-large spots...which makes OOC MUCH more important.
 
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