Fellas, This Let's All The Good Hot Air Out Of Last Week.

[Scarlet_Scourge]

It is a wash. We will never out recruit OSU no matter what, deal with it. He may be gone after two years and get a HC job somewhere else. We will also never out recruit Michigan or Penn State.

Ultimately Rutgers needs to get higher recruiting classes than Indiana and Maryland and everyone in the West Division.We might get close to or even beat MSU some years but not every year.

If we can do that we will win a lot of games (like 8-9 games every year and sometimes more) and hopefully get to a New years day bowl sometime before I die.

Upstream, Red Team!

 

[GSGS]

I think it will help us vs. tOSU when Ash installs his spread offense, has anything that Schiano has done since leaving RU make anyone believe that he'll suddenly be able to defend the spread when he couldn't at RU?

Also, I'm not so sure that this is going to have a happy ending at tOSU, from everything I know about Greg, his ego is too big for him to play second fiddle at the college level, it should be interesting to see what transpires at tOSU.

Schiano erred by putting all his eggs in the Miami Hurricane basket, where he likely would have been hired if not for Richt's untimely availability. If Greg knew then what he knows now, I think that he would have made a bigger push for some other college HC positions, not just RU but also openings like UCF.

 

[mildone]

"Greg is a very intelligent football coach, unbelievable man. What he did here for Rutgers, quite honestly, if I could even come close to that, I would be pretty excited.

"I have gotten to know Greg in the last couple years in my time at Ohio State. Had an opportunity to visit with him on several occasions. We talked about Rutgers in the past and what he did here and how he did it. I look forward to having an opportunity to talk to him again here in the near future and pick his brain on a couple things.

"But I'm not trying to compare myself to anybody else. I'm not trying to compare myself to what's happened in the past. I'm trying to make us better each and every day that I can, and I'm trying to be the best head coach that I can be for these players. If at the end of the day when it's all done, if we have a great program that can be comparable to what Coach Schiano built here, it will be a pretty good place.''

No, you're right. When asked about a former HC that RU fans revered, Ash probably should've talked about how much better he was going to be than Schiano was. That would've been the smart thing to do.

I think what you've just proved is that, in addition to being a better HC than Schiano was, Ash is also better at the sort of bullshit coach-speak that coaches have to employ from time to time.

Time will tell. But I'm sticking to what I said. Schiano is a good defensive mind, no doubt. And I'm sure Ash thinks Schiano is a good defensive mind too. And Schiano took RU from nowhere to relevancy; which was no easy feat. But unless 2016 goes perfectly for OSU, I think the potential for chemistry problems between Schiano and Meyer is pretty high. Two roosters in the hen house. Too many chefs in the kitchen. Too many chiefs, not enough indians.

 

[RUich]

The two programs are absolutely about as far from each other as you can think. GS will have some of the best players in the country to work with so if he doesn't do well, it won't be due to a lack of talent.
Right now, I am hoping the coaching transition can make us relevant in the BIG before I am worrying about how the two coaching changes will effect us head to head.

 

[shields]

Don't think this is a big deal. OSU gets who they want anyway.

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

No, you're right. When asked about a former HC that RU fans revered, Ash probably should've talked about how much better he was going to be than Schiano was. That would've been the smart thing to do.

I think what you've just proved is that, in addition to being a better HC than Schiano was, Ash is also better at the sort of bullshit coach-speak that coaches have to employ from time to time.

Time will tell. But I'm sticking to what I said. Schiano is a good defensive mind, no doubt. And I'm sure Ash thinks Schiano is a good defensive mind too. And Schiano took RU from nowhere to relevancy; which was no easy feat. But unless 2016 goes perfectly for OSU, I think the potential for chemistry problems between Schiano and Meyer is pretty high. Two roosters in the hen house. Too many chefs in the kitchen. Too many chiefs, not enough indians.

I dont even know what we are arguing about. I just think it is dumb to totally dismiss Schiano being hired at OSU as having 0 impact on Rutgers.

 

[mildone]

There is just no way this is good for RU. The only good side is that when tOSU does great next year, Schiano will be off to coach a solid P5 school. He missed the boat this year, so took the best thing available to him for the long run: locked down successful year with high visibility. I'll bet he doesn't have a "two-year commitment" to Meyer.

Our problem is that he is well-liked in many areas of NJ among HS coaches and will play that out, and it may well cost us a recruit or two. Will it affect the outcome of next year's tOSU game? LOL.

The idea that he is a so-so recruiter because he lost battles while at RU is laughable. He's at tOSU now. Been there? Notice the championship rings? Seen the facilities? Noted the history? I'm pulling for Ash, but the already tough recruiting battle with tOSU just got tougher. Don't kid yourself.

We were never in a recruiting battle with OSU and we're not there now. Before we can be in a recruiting battle with them, we have to be regularly having winning seasons in the Big Ten East. Chicken or the egg, perhaps, but true nonetheless.

If a recruit was not already predisposed to NOT go to OSU, then what does Schiano add to the equation? The recruit would already have reasons for not going and those reasons are not going to be things that Schiano can counter any better than any other coach at OSU.

 

[vandalen1]

There is just no way this is good for RU. The only good side is that when tOSU does great next year, Schiano will be off to coach a solid P5 school. He missed the boat this year, so took the best thing available to him for the long run: locked down successful year with high visibility. I'll bet he doesn't have a "two-year commitment" to Meyer.

Our problem is that he is well-liked in many areas of NJ among HS coaches and will play that out, and it may well cost us a recruit or two. Will it affect the outcome of next year's tOSU game? LOL.

The idea that he is a so-so recruiter because he lost battles while at RU is laughable. He's at tOSU now. Been there? Notice the championship rings? Seen the facilities? Noted the history? I'm pulling for Ash, but the already tough recruiting battle with tOSU just got tougher. Don't kid yourself.

Agree. I don't think Urban Meyer sat around after Ash took the job and worried about how he was going to beat Rutgers next year. Michigan, Michigan St, yes but Rutgers, no. OSU is pretty much done recruiting this year except for a Gary, Mitchell etc. but for the most part, they're done.
Next year at this time I'd bet Schiano is gone to a HC job. He gets TB money in 2016 (offset by OSU money) and that's it with the tb contract.
The only thing that will impact next year's recruiting is how competitive the team is next year and that will only be answered next year. My opinion is that these players are better than they were coached last year. If Ash puts together a first rate coaching staff, the team will do pretty well next year (6-6 would be great along with being competitive) and then he can sell the program. Get blown out by the big 4 and recruiting won't be great.

 

[mildone]

I dont even know what we are arguing about. I just think it is dumb to totally dismiss Schiano being hired at OSU as having 0 impact on Rutgers.

Think of it this way then.

(1) How often did RU out-recruit OSU for top recruits in the past? Did you see RU out-recruiting OSU over the next 1-2 years before you realized Schiano would be their DC? If OSU wants a player RU wants, and that player is not already predisposed to go to RU for whatever reason, then that player is almost certainly going to OSU. Schiano's net effect here, over any other coach they might have, is nil.

(2) How likely was it that RU was going to beat OSU this year? Did you think it was going to be any more likely over the next 1-2 years? Again, Schiano's net effect here is nil.

That's not to say Schiano won't do well. He might, if his ego and/or coaching style don't cause problems. But do you think he'll do better than Ash would've done? They were the second best D in the NCAA last season. OSU was always going to out-recruit us over the next couple years. They were always going to beat us the next couple years. Making Schiano a wash.

 

[Upstream]

There is just no way this is good for RU. The only good side is that when tOSU does great next year, Schiano will be off to coach a solid P5 school. He missed the boat this year, so took the best thing available to him for the long run: locked down successful year with high visibility. I'll bet he doesn't have a "two-year commitment" to Meyer.

Our problem is that he is well-liked in many areas of NJ among HS coaches and will play that out, and it may well cost us a recruit or two. Will it affect the outcome of next year's tOSU game? LOL.

The idea that he is a so-so recruiter because he lost battles while at RU is laughable. He's at tOSU now. Been there? Notice the championship rings? Seen the facilities? Noted the history? I'm pulling for Ash, but the already tough recruiting battle with tOSU just got tougher. Don't kid yourself.

Skillet -- Greg was an excellent recruiter and an excellent defensive coach. But anyone that OSU hired to replace Ash would be an excellent recruiter and excellent defensive coach.

So given the choice of Greg Schiano going to OSU or going anywhere else, his going to OSU is better for Rutgers. OSU already recruits NJ, and already gets pretty much anyone they want vs Rutgers. Schiano at OSU isn't going to have a significant change here. The alternative, which would be much worse for Rutgers, is for someone else to go to OSU and continue to recruit NJ, and Schiano to go to another school which would then immediately become another recruiting challenger for Rutgers.

 

[mildone]

Skillet -- Greg was an excellent recruiter and an excellent defensive coach. But anyone that OSU hired to replace Ash would be an excellent recruiter and excellent defensive coach.

So given the choice of Greg Schiano going to OSU or going anywhere else, his going to OSU is better for Rutgers. OSU already recruits NJ, and already gets pretty much anyone they want vs Rutgers. Schiano at OSU isn't going to have a significant change here. The alternative, which would be much worse for Rutgers, is for someone else to go to OSU and continue to recruit NJ, and Schiano to go to another school which would then immediately become another recruiting challenger for Rutgers.

I'm not understanding why the obviousness of this isn't sinking it with people. If he went to MD or PSU or any of the mid-level Big Ten teams, that would've been much more impactfull. As it stands, it's a wash. If anything, it was a slightly risky call for Meyer to make for personality reasons.

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

Think of it this way then.

(1) How often did RU out-recruit OSU for top recruits in the past? Did you see RU out-recruiting OSU over the next 1-2 years before you realized Schiano would be their DC? If OSU wants a player RU wants, and that player is not already predisposed to go to RU for whatever reason, then that player is almost certainly going to OSU. Schiano's net effect here, over any other coach they might have, is nil.

(2) How likely was it that RU was going to beat OSU this year? Did you think it was going to be any more likely over the next 1-2 years? Again, Schiano's net effect here is nil.

That's not to say Schiano won't do well. He might, if his ego and/or coaching style don't cause problems. But do you think he'll do better than Ash would've done? They were the second best D in the NCAA last season. OSU was always going to out-recruit us over the next couple years. They were always going to beat us the next couple years. Making Schiano a wash.

I agree with everything you say. But, for Ash to succeed he is going to need to pull some of the NJ top 10 over the course of his tenure. I think that becomes harder now that Schiano is DC at OSU as opposed to say a Paul Rhoads.

 

[RU Husky]

Because of Greg's decade long stay at RU and sometimes contentious relationship with the local press, his being hired by, of all places, OSU will steal a little media thunder from Ash's arrival on the banks. I agree with most others, however, that the real impact on Rutgers recruiting and W-L will be negligible. It's a good hire for OSU, a good place for Schiano to be, and Ash is still the Rutgers coach. Let's see what he's got before we condemn him to the trash heap because Saint Schiano is in Columbus. And if your feelings are hurt, grow up.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Speaking of overly dramatic, has anyone checked in with @NotInRHouse since the Schiano news broke? As I recall, Schiano was his savior to replace Flood. First we hire Ash, now this. NIRH, step back from the ledge and put on an Allman Brother's album. It's gonna be okay.

I support hiring Ash so calling me out on this is is pretty inexplicable

 

[soundcrib]

Ohio State already gets just about anybody they want. Schools like Ohio State and Alabama don't recruit players so much as just select who they want to play for them.

We compete for recruits against teams like Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina NC State and Penn State. I don't see were Schiano joining the staff at Ohio State makes a bit of difference.

This time an AD goes to TOSU?

 

[PaKnight]

He is not going to Purdue or even the Ped.
Let's fast forward 5 years. He get's the UF job he always thought he deserved...after all, the Florida school is, the crown jewel of higher education in Florida. Now he is recruiting Jersey and Florida.

See it as a nightmare.I do.

Why would you recruit any area hard other than Florida, if you are coaching at UF, FSU or Miami?

Not to mention a huge jump to say he will be at UF in five years.

 

[PaKnight]

I dont even know what we are arguing about. I just think it is dumb to totally dismiss Schiano being hired at OSU as having 0 impact on Rutgers.

0.0001

 

[rutgersdave]

I think it will help us vs. tOSU when Ash installs his spread offense, has anything that Schiano has done since leaving RU make anyone believe that he'll suddenly be able to defend the spread when he couldn't at RU?

Also, I'm not so sure that this is going to have a happy ending at tOSU, from everything I know about Greg, his ego is too big for him to play second fiddle at the college level, it should be interesting to see what transpires at tOSU.

Schiano erred by putting all his eggs in the Miami Hurricane basket, where he likely would have been hired if not for Richt's untimely availability. If Greg knew then what he knows now, I think that he would have made a bigger push for some other college HC positions, not just RU but also openings like UCF.

I don't thing anyone can consistently defend the spread. The only way to beat the spread is to score more points than them. Rutgers never had a very good offense.

 

[carolina scarlet]

Doesn't let the "good hot air" out of RU's new hire for me at all. -I'm pumped with the energy and charisma CA brings to the program, and I'm excited to see the changes he'll be putting in and am looking forward to having a tough, competitive Rutgers football team out on the field again.

you are such a naive dick. i just aint got the words.

 

[knightfan2000]

Didn't Greg leave Rutgers, in part, because he didn't enjoy the recruiting? I'm sure he stated that...plus he burned a LOT of bridges in New Jersey

 

[devoted2ru]

you are such a naive dick. i just aint got the words.

Never fails. When someone doesn't have the ability to come up with an intelligent response, he resorts to personal insults.

I don't agree with your position. You don't like it, then that's just too damned bad.

 

[RUNVA]

We are in the big time now. UM and tOSU will always be coming at us. We need to stop the whining and be prepared to fight for every recruit that we want. There will be no give me, it will be a dog fight.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Can someone tell me what the good side is of GS going to OSU?

the memory ''06'' when we were deserted by him......and when he left us high and dry...in the hands of KF...Thanks KF....

 

[RUInsanity]

you are such a naive dick. i just aint got the words.

Never fails. When someone doesn't have the ability come up with an intelligent response, he resorts to personal insults.

I don't agree with your position. You don't like it, then that's just too damned bad.

The good response to this troll might have been.....

"I would rather be a naive dick than some uptight ass hole acting afraid of his own shadow and who's week is completly ruined by a competing College Football team's choice of DC."

 

[devoted2ru]

The good response to this troll might have been.....

"I would rather be a naive dick than some uptight ass hole acting afraid of his own shadow and who's week is completly ruined by a competing College Football team's choice of DC."

Not bad, RUInsanity. Not bad at all. -And I fully agree with what you wrote.

 

[bac2therac]

Can someone tell me what the good side is of GS going to OSU?

OH MY FREAKING GOD THIS MAY BE THE STUPIDEST THREAD I HAVE READ HERE SINCE THE LAST STUPIDIST THREAD...IT DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Rutgers will succeed based on what Chris Ash does. Schiano at OSU as a DC doesn't change that. Stop trolling

 

[bac2therac]

Is the OP Steve Politi?

 

[bac2therac]

He is not going to Purdue or even the Ped.
Let's fast forward 5 years. He get's the UF job he always thought he deserved...after all, the Florida school is, the crown jewel of higher education in Florida. Now he is recruiting Jersey and Florida.

See it as a nightmare.I do.

who the **** cares...and sorry but he aint getting that job

 

[SkilletHead2]

Skillet -- Greg was an excellent recruiter and an excellent defensive coach. But anyone that OSU hired to replace Ash would be an excellent recruiter and excellent defensive coach.

So given the choice of Greg Schiano going to OSU or going anywhere else, his going to OSU is better for Rutgers. OSU already recruits NJ, and already gets pretty much anyone they want vs Rutgers. Schiano at OSU isn't going to have a significant change here. The alternative, which would be much worse for Rutgers, is for someone else to go to OSU and continue to recruit NJ, and Schiano to go to another school which would then immediately become another recruiting challenger for Rutgers.

Let me try this again. Everywhere where RU has traditionally recruited now has Greg Schiano at tOSU nosing in for the best picks. We are trying to up our game on the recruiting front. It's true that it would have been worse for us for Schiano to be at Maryland or Syracuse, but we already knew that wasn't happening. He has turned up at a place where he can hurt us for top recruits, the ones that help turn programs around. This class is mostly done, and tOSU/RU battles aren't happening too much. But next year's class is already underway, and now we have Schiano to contend with. And right now, he isn't even busy game-planning. Our guy is. For tOSU.

If you think all this is somehow a net plus, go right ahead.

 

[mildone]

I support hiring Ash so calling me out on this is is pretty inexplicable

Just teasing. I don't do any serious calling out of people. I find the whole concept of calling people out silly.

 

[ruready07]

Schiano's coaching style is a lot more effective on 2&3 stars than 4&5 stars.

His defense at Miami was pretty good.

 

[carolina scarlet]

Is the OP Steve Politi?

no i'm not...and **** you

 

[RUInsanity]

Let me try this again. Everywhere where RU has traditionally recruited now has Greg Schiano at tOSU nosing in for the best picks. We are trying to up our game on the recruiting front. It's true that it would have been worse for us for Schiano to be at Maryland or Syracuse, but we already knew that wasn't happening. He has turned up at a place where he can hurt us for top recruits, the ones that help turn programs around. This class is mostly done, and tOSU/RU battles aren't happening too much. But next year's class is already underway, and now we have Schiano to contend with. And right now, he isn't even busy game-planning. Our guy is. For tOSU.

If you think all this is somehow a net plus, go right ahead.

Don't think many (except for a few haters perhaps) are saying that GS to OSU is a net plus for RU. What I am reading is that most feel it is Net Neutral. Here's my rationale for this outcome proposal....

1. On the field OSU was already killing RU without Schiano
2. Recruiting - RU has had a very low percentage of 4/5 Star Recruits. OSU has a relatively high percentage of these top recruits already (without Schiano).
3. NJ Recruits - RU has brought in only a few (if even that many) Top NJ Recruits over the past 10 years. OSU probably brings in on average 1-2 NJ Recruits per year (perhaps they target 5 NJ guys). Even if the addition of GS ups the NJ Recruiting Targets this will likely be a net negative for Michigan and PSU more than RU. RU has historically pulled 2/3 Star Recruits from NJ and if OSU steals top recruits from MU/PSU - those programs are likely to look elsewhere rather than trickling down for lower level NJ Recruits. Further, OSU can only bring in about 20-25 Recruits every year and they are able to recruit the entire nation to already get who they want without Schiano. Any effect on RU here will be negligable at best - and given RU's current status with highly ranked NJ Recruits - my opinion is that it really can't get worse for RU.
4. Florida Recruits - pretty much the same concept as with NJ Recruits.
5. GS Tenure with OSU - a reasonable guess would be that GS will likely be using this as a stepping stone. With that in mind, any effect will likely be short term.
6. Why Recruits choose RU over OSU - OSU pretty much sells itself in terms of History, Tradition, Facilities etc. Schiano at OSU will not really need to do much to sell recruits on the merits of OSU vs Rutgers. Logically - recruits that are apt to choose Rutgers over OSU are currently doing so for different reasons - such as Location, Staff, Education Choices (Majors) and Playing time opportunities. While this may certainly change in the future starting with Ash turning the team around on the field - GS will likely be long gone from this role for him to have any effect.
7. Ash Factor - It's Ash's job to sell his vision/hope/strategy for the Program to recruits. I believe he will, and with that, the program will take steps forward on the field and with Future recruits. As that happens -RU will become more of a competitor to OSU both on the field and with Recruits. This will take some time - and unless Schiano is in his new DC role for 5 years - his presence will not effect Ash's progression really in any way nor with many Head-Head recruiting battles.

 

[RUInsanity]

Is the OP Steve Politi?

Guessing the same. He seems to be here only to stir up shit.

 

[bac2therac]

no i'm not...and **** you

so what was your prior name on this board