Fleck Reportedly Shut Out at Oregon-Willie Taggart to Get Job?
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That stuff is great for preventing and mitigating Flood damage.
Temple is in the process of installing these around their stadium and the AD's office.It's their version of fencing the garden:
Oregon is an extremely tough job, which is why people aren't running there.....Phil Knight is extremely demanding, you have no recruiting base in Oregon and have to recruit California against USC/UCLA/Washington/Cal/Stanford and against the entire West Coast and there are no automatic wins in the conference like the Big 12 gives you (Kansas, Iowa State)....
Taggert took the job because similar to Charlie Strong at Texas and Matt Rhule at Baylor, you take the money and run...Rhule looked at the compensation factor and figured his shelf-life is better at Baylor than Oregon, that's how difficult the Oregon job is.....there is nothing better on paper with Baylor than Oregon in terms of football in recent years and off the field, there is a ton more work to do at Baylor.
Chip Kelly eventually was going to get back to a 9-3 type of level anyway, with USC off probation and Washington with Petersen....Oregon is not ever going back to the top of the Pac 12, unless USC and Washington falter and as long as David Shaw is running the program at Stanford, they will be competitive and win 8-9 games most years....at best Oregon the 5th or 6th best program in the conference (SC/UCLA/Washington/Stanford/ then your darkhorse program that has a big season Utah/ASU/Colorado/Wash State, Cal)......
The Pac 12 is the most balanced conference in the country right now....I hope Taggert does well and has some success there, but there will need to be patience there, it's not a good football team and they need to recruit and play defense.
Taggert took the job because similar to Charlie Strong at Texas and Matt Rhule at Baylor, you take the money and run...Rhule looked at the compensation factor and figured his shelf-life is better at Baylor than Oregon, that's how difficult the Oregon job is.....there is nothing better on paper with Baylor than Oregon in terms of football in recent years and off the field, there is a ton more work to do at Baylor.
Chip Kelly eventually was going to get back to a 9-3 type of level anyway, with USC off probation and Washington with Petersen....Oregon is not ever going back to the top of the Pac 12, unless USC and Washington falter and as long as David Shaw is running the program at Stanford, they will be competitive and win 8-9 games most years....at best Oregon the 5th or 6th best program in the conference (SC/UCLA/Washington/Stanford/ then your darkhorse program that has a big season Utah/ASU/Colorado/Wash State, Cal)......
The Pac 12 is the most balanced conference in the country right now....I hope Taggert does well and has some success there, but there will need to be patience there, it's not a good football team and they need to recruit and play defense.
What is this huge fascination with Fleck on this board, he was an assistant here, what one year? Yes, great energy, and could recruit like few could. But, one year!
Yes, as bad as the Big East Football conference was circa Dantonio and Kelly's tenures, unfortunately for them,it was a much better platform than the current situation Cincy finds itself being in the AAC.
this board is funny sometimes. Fleck will be fine, just like Rhule was fine staying another year at Temple where everyone said he would have a down year and people would forget about him and now he is at Baylor. Fleck can stay at WMU and wait until a big job comes up next year or he may be offered a stepping stone job at Houston or Cincy until he does that. The guy has a bright future ahead despite what a few Nostradamuses on here think
you may be right about Fleck but just like when questionable pro caliber guys leave school early for the draft sometimes it works and sometimes it ends up being a disaster.
Remember Pete Lembo? Hot coach at Ball St? He stuck around for an extra year, and got fired. It is liekly that no P5 head coaching jobs will ever open up for him.
I would argue that coaching in the AAC is a much better platform to landing a P5 job than leaping from the MAC.
Al Golden and Matt Rhule used Temple as a stepping stone to P5.
Willie Taggart went from WKU to USF now to P5.
Herman from Houston to UT.
People want to put down the AAC, but the AAC has more panache than the MAC and is a more proven and recent stepping stone.
Can't think of recent examples of MAC coaches who made the leap from MAC and succeeded in P5. But here are three recent ones who have not lit it up:
Darell Hazell? Nope.
Dino Babers? Wait and see.
Dave Doeren? Nope--middling in 4 years at NC State.
amirite? are there recent examples of MAC coaches going direct to the P5 and succeeding?
Interesting mention of NC State. That's a strange program. Great facilities and support, but no one wins there. Amato looked like he was getting it done, but couldn't win. O'Brien had more success at BC, which is odd. They seem to have all the resources to be successful, but no one gets it done there.
Then Meyer went to Utah. MAC --> MW --> SEC ---> Big 10
Butch Jones: MAC --> Big East --> SEC
Dantonio: MAC --> C-USA & Big East --> Big 10
There's a progression....and in the American or MW, fewer little sisters of the poor than in the MAC.
And you forget that Urban went to Utah before going P5. So what else you got?
Bo who? Jackson? Pelini?
Agree. As said in other posts, Fleck is only 35. He has nothing to lose and more $$$ to gain by getting a raise at WMU and using that for more leverage next year. Overplayed his hand? Most people on this board wish they had his career problem/trajectory. Poor guy has to wait another year or two before hitting the coaching lottery. Even if WMU falls off next year (hard to go undefeated again), it did not hurt Hermann at Houston, who saw a slight fall off in performance this year.
Hermann's drop in performance (SMU/Navy losses) was more than offset by the wins over OU and UL.
Good point. Did not seem to hurt him. Just was not the near perfection of the 13-1 previous year.
You must show the Big schools that you can beat the Big schools.
Herman showed that.
Just beating up on the little schools is not good enough since that may not translate.
Herman showed that.
Just beating up on the little schools is not good enough since that may not translate.
the donors in western michigan are real as well. anybody who lives in west michigan knows about these donors. western michigan wouldnt try to compete money wise with texas or lsu either
Exactly. That was the difference for coaches at Boise St. Rhule beat an ok Penn St team, but still a big win and he beat some ranked teams.
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USF would be a good place for Greg to land, but he needs to get a top OC and give that OC full control or he'll fail.
Flood TU presser: "The competition between Chris and Anthony was close and although Anthony completed every pass he threw during the spring and fall camps, I believe Chris gives us the best chance to be 1-0 each week."
Temple fans are going to love him.
Bold predictions. Guess we'll see.
I do agree about the PAC 12 being the most balanced (and fun to watch) conference. Seems like any given game can go either way. Don't see Oregon faltering that far forever, though.
While I'm sure the donors in Kalamazoo are very impressive, what with their 30k seat stadium, $800k coach, and fundraising that doesn't even meet RU standards....There's maybe a handful of schools that can compete with the deep pockets of Houston money. Maybe.
During the Herman process, it was made clear Houston would beat anyone's offer. Don't forget he was already making $3 million a year and and had another +2MM offer on the table.
http://www.chron.com/sports/cougars...eady-to-spend-to-keep-Tom-Herman-10629214.php
It's a risk, especially if he doesn't do well in a weak conference. He doesn't have to go 13-0 but probably a very strong season to keep his prospects up for a P5 job. Herman was still in a high mid major conference and had some very nice wins despite some unexpected as mentioned above. Not to mention which he was a very successful OC previously, Fleck has no coordinator experience in his career.
Now how a big a risk depends on the MAC. I don't follow it closely, so I don't know. This year was pretty weak, will next year be the same. I don't know. Outside of Fleck, I don't know that there are any other up & coming prospective coaches in the MAC so he still might not have competition so it might not be so bad to sit tight. Most of the better coaches have left over the last handful of years and I don't know how good their replacements have been or will be.
As to overplaying his hand? Who the heck knows, it's not like we're in the room. For all we know there was no interest or interest was lost in him but had nothing to do with leverage. There are just rumors floating around who knows what's true and what's not.
It's the second or third best football school in a state that's all about basketball.
