For People who make fun of Rutgers asking "WHY RU is IN and their school is not" show them this
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not so much National Rules, more so the way they do things I guess. Meaning the negotiations over rights fees between the cable providers and cable networks, and the conference. How it works, I really don't know, and just going on following this conference expansion talks since we were left to die looking for a home. Again.. Thank you Tim Pernetti.. but anyway.. I do remember that pennies per subscriber increasing to nearly a dollar when the conference has a team in the Media Market footprint. As for the size of the rights fees technically aren't based on the "market" as supposed to to actual estimate viewership and ratings that they translate to contract value... a special secret sauce I guess. But I was there and YES the B1G wanted us for among other things, and at that time, it opened New Jersey, Metro NYC, and Metro CT to the media market footprint, and they could calculate the actual dollar based carriage fee rights, and basic tiers for expanded tiers.. etc etc. but bottom line the NYC Media Market determined our value to the B1G. The ACC was asleep at the wheel (or were pressured by Syracuse, and Boston College to not let us in the ACC). But the ACC had no TV network like B10 had, and all the others were left in the dust, which is how the B10 cleaned up on the Conference TV game..
No worries, I actually didn't think it was your error. I was commenting on the list on the assumption it was cut and pasted from somewhere online since you mentioned in your opening line about seeing the relevant statistics somewhere. Thus it was my impression whomever compiled the list and published it onto a website had made the error.
Anyway, it's Purdue University. PU is not in Idaho either ;-) Ha, just messing but Indiana is IN.
Screw the Metaverse “and your little dog too”….
My call is smart phones and social media are the new cigarettes.
Addictive poison and garbage that are bad for us, that are currently widely used and accepted in society. I mean Facebook is complete garbage.
Advertising for crap I don’t need but an algorithm thinks I might buy….garbage.
HS acquaintance’s conspiracy fueled political rant….garbage.
Distorted view of someone else’s life only showing all the best parts of their month, strategically posted….poison.
Im not jumping into a VR world of this crap.
Give it enough time and enough of us will feel the same. We will look around one day and become bewildered when we see someone immersed in their smart phones just like we do today when we see someone smoking cigarettes.
People in love with money taking over college football should consider this because a lot of non-financial reasons (or merely financial potential) are probably why we're in the Big Ten, some of which have been mentioned. Adding Rutgers to the Big Ten will not help conference Athletic Departments but helps with academic/research reputation, which you can't easily assign a dollar value to. Harvard would help reputation but couldn't compete on the field; Alabama would bring in dollars but hurt reputation.
I remember hearing the number was well over 600K some 20 years ago or more. There is no way Penn State should have more unless they are counting all those odd campuses too and leaving out the Newark and Camden campuses for us.
Rutgers website front page says the number is over 530K.. that would put us 4th
Iam sure psu counts all of their campuses. We should count RU-Camden and RU-Newark as well-they are part of Rutgers.
Go on you tube and search conference realignment.. the trashing of Rutgers is relentless... trust me.. And I'm a Rutgers grad loving my team....
And this Data is another big reason why Cal is higher up the expansion pecking order than people think.
Hopefully B1G can get such massive numbers, pull in Stanford, UW, Cal, ND, and convince UTexas that the better choice is B1G. We’d have all the ten of top living alumni.
I'm less optimistic and more hopeful. I do think it is a long shot, but lots of things that can align to make a solid case for them. Clearly academics, alums, olympic sports are all top notch and all great fits. But in the end, this is, of course, driven by economics. To that extent, the primary issue has been mismanagement of their Athletics Department as it relates to the two revenue drivers - Football and Basketball. If Cal can right the ship quickly (I am more optimistic for football can under Wilcox, but less for basketball under Fox (but jury is still out)) there still may be hope.
Mismanagement was an issue Rutgers long had but slowly corrected over time (big thanks to Mulcahy and Pernetti) and now is well on a course correction under Pat Hobbs. Lucky for us that a solid course correction started for Rutgers with Mulcahy and Schiano and they had enough in place to weather the Hermann/Flood/Rice fiasco. If we had the same administration now as we had heading into the Year 2000 with Fred Gruninger at the helm as AD, I would bet a six-pack and a nice bourbon we would not be in the Big Ten today.
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Wow! You resurrected a thread from a year and a half ago because I spelled Jimmy D’s name wrong?
Spectacular!
Spectacular!
Yes Penn State has always run everything as one university. The branch campuses up until 2000s were all 2+2 of arrangement where you did two years at a branch then transferred to main campus. Now many of them do offer 4 year degrees. It a huge point of contention with alum as many think degrees should state campuses.
It was on the state level, not media markets. The BTN never got close to $1 per subscriber, the average was .68 per home. The higher rates were in states with multiple teams like Michigan or like Nebraska where they are the only game in town. In 2014 the paid tv service was at 84% and NJ had 3,213,362 households. So that means about 2.7 million subscribers at the average in state of $0.68 means about $22 million a year.
The bad news is that model is dead. In 2024 the penetration of paid TV has dropped from 84% to 43%. So in 2024 NJ had 3,438,162 and about only 1.4 million subscribers. So at the average rate the BTN revenue for NJ dropped almost $10 million to about $11.4 million. That is why the B1G sold their majority stake in the BTN. Fox is now the majority owner.
Anecdotally, I watch many more B1G games now that RU is in.
One of the dumbest takes on the demographic of who is watching TV in this country. Do you think last nights MBB finals were watched by mainly nursing home grandpa’s and grandma’s? I would say too many watch the garbage being shown now on a bizzillion channels.
PSU nut your posts are very informative.
One reason I put up with so many BS posts on here is to get info from people like you.
That being said, I have three questions for you.
1 )Do you have any affiliation with Rutgers?
2) Where do you see the conference realignment going?
3) Do you see Rutgers continuing to elevate all their programs to BIG caliber?
Start sticking them on the cars at the Tennis Clubs on the Miracle Mile of the North Shore.
